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jcaoloveshine
11-28-2009, 4:39 PM
What would be a good 1-4x mildot scope for AR? I'm looking to put one on my 20" AR picatinny A3 upper. Something in the 200 dollar range.

Currently I've got irons, would be curious to see what it would be like with optics.

ghost
11-28-2009, 4:43 PM
for that price range a millet dms-1 1-4x is good.

OutlawDon
11-28-2009, 4:45 PM
http://www.primaryarms.com/product.sc?productId=205

jcaoloveshine
11-28-2009, 4:49 PM
Hmm really good suggestions, here I was thinking that mildot was the only good way of range estimation, looks like these non-mildot scopes have range estimation too.

ghost
11-28-2009, 4:53 PM
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=186660

1988
11-28-2009, 5:34 PM
What would be a good 1-4x mildot scope for AR? I'm looking to put one on my 20" AR picatinny A3 upper. Something in the 200 dollar range.

Currently I've got irons, would be curious to see what it would be like with optics.

Mil-Dot are usually for mid-long range scopes.

For 1-4 variable scope at about $200, I'd think of the Millett DMS-1. You can use the dot and the circles to estimate your range.

3GunFunShooter
11-28-2009, 5:57 PM
For that price range the Millet DMS-1 is a good choice. I have one on my HD rifle. The Burris XTR is a great choice but a much more $$.

jcaoloveshine
11-28-2009, 6:50 PM
would it be possible to make 500 yard shots with 1-4x DMS, or would it be trickier than irons?

saber
11-28-2009, 7:42 PM
I have had a Millet DMS-1 for 6 months. I took it through a 4 day Rifle Class at Front Sight and here are my observations.

1.) The scope has an illuminted reticle which works great except in direct sunlight. Unless it is dark, the reticle is black (which is okay but not great).

2.) The scope is very sensitive to proper eye relief. You really have to get the same cheek weld every single time or its hard to see through the scope.

3.) I was able to get shots from 5 yards to 400+ yards pretty easily. It took a little practice to determine the correct hold over for all of the ranges under 25 yards and beyond 200. Between 25 and 200, I had no issues with the scope.

4.) The scope really did well at night time and low light conditions. The illuminated reticle was very visible at night (as opposed to daylight).

Overall, I like the scope. One suggestion I had was that I got to the point where I stopped changing the magnification. I was switching back and forth from 1X to 4X but eventually just left it on the 4X. Believe it or not, the 4X worked even on the really close shots.

AM9000
11-29-2009, 12:11 AM
See if you can grab one of these. I like mine a lot. Made in Japan - Nice and clear. Built solid. Illuminated. Less expensive, I have seen them on ebay for about 300.
Plus I like that its only 9" long, The Millet DMS is like a foot long.

Weaver 1-4.5x Extreme (http://www.opticsplanet.net/weaver-etx125-spotting-scope-849842.html)

Nate74
11-29-2009, 12:40 AM
See if you can grab one of these. I like mine a lot. Made in Japan - Nice and clear. Built solid. Illuminated. Less expensive, I have seen them on ebay for about 300.
Plus I like that its only 9" long, The Millet DMS is like a foot long.

Weaver 1-4.5x Extreme (http://www.opticsplanet.net/weaver-etx125-spotting-scope-849842.html)

I got one of these from Natchez about 6 months ago on clearance so they may not be around any longer, but yes, great scope. The sites that do show up showing they still have them all seem to be well above the $200 mark.

Another thing you might look for is the Konus equivelent. I have one on my Spike's ST22 and have been happy with it.

http://www.gunforall.com/shopcart/mcartfree/product.asp?intProdID=157288

Jeffu
11-29-2009, 8:05 AM
Why be lazy and buy scopes that are already built? If you're really looking to get quality mil-dot scopes, you might as well build it yourself. Much cheaper yet higher durability and quality.



http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/945/50421053.JPG

killshot44
11-29-2009, 10:13 AM
What size rings do ya put on those?

Do you use thread or wire for the reticle?

Do they come with optional aluminum-foil rain-resistant covering?

Why do your hands/arms look like those of a 14 yr-old girl?

Hyper
11-29-2009, 10:28 AM
...or, Bushnell Trophy 1-4x24 or Barska Euro-30 1.5-4.5x26, both 30mm, both good value...

pyro3k2
11-29-2009, 10:45 AM
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/53649-34.html

If you haven't bought a scope already. This is what mine looks like on my 20" AR.
http://i316.photobucket.com/albums/mm349/DrCuddlez_86/450bushmasterJPG.jpg

8200rpm
11-29-2009, 11:12 AM
http://i316.photobucket.com/albums/mm349/DrCuddlez_86/450bushmasterJPG.jpg

That scope is mounted way too far back. With a proper cheek weld, your eye ball is going to inside the ocular. With proper eye relief, your cheek is going to be at the butt plate.

pyro3k2
11-29-2009, 12:37 PM
Scope placement is fine for me and my body build. With correct eye relief my cheek is in the middle of the adjustable cheek piece and with proper cheek weld my eye ball is not inside the ocular. Here are the groups I am getting with that set up and scope placement. Group is at 100yrds with a 5mph cross wind. For that flyer I had, truth be told I flinched and screwed up my group.

But to keep this some what on thread topic this is the range report with my millett dms-1 on a 20" .450 bushmaster, it can take a good amount of recoil and the 1 MOA dot is good for target shooting. I would recommend this scope.
http://i316.photobucket.com/albums/mm349/DrCuddlez_86/IMG_2779-1.jpg

mala in se
11-29-2009, 12:45 PM
i was thinkin' of gettin a scope for my AR and it seems like the consensus is that the millet DMS-1 is a great scope in that price range.

what kind of mount are you guys using?

pyro3k2
11-29-2009, 12:55 PM
http://www.opticsplanet.net/burris-ar-tactical-mounts.html

Nate74
11-30-2009, 1:08 PM
http://www.opticsplanet.net/burris-ar-tactical-mounts.html

Great mount. Love mine!

bombadillo
11-30-2009, 2:14 PM
http://www.opticsplanet.net/burris-ar-tactical-mounts.html

That link looks like its to a riser, not a mount. To get a 30mm or 1" mount its "add 62.00" option underneath.

Just so OP doesn't think he's getting a 12 dollar mount.

pyro3k2
11-30-2009, 5:53 PM
That link looks like its to a riser, not a mount. To get a 30mm or 1" mount its "add 62.00" option underneath.

Just so OP doesn't think he's getting a 12 dollar mount.

Sorry about that l copied the link a little too soon, thanks for catching that.

my bad...

evollep3
12-01-2009, 12:15 PM
good thread another good glass if you dont mind to pay a little more is the Trijicon Accupoint and the Burris XTR

1988
12-01-2009, 12:50 PM
good thread another good glass if you dont mind to pay a little more is the Trijicon Accupoint and the Burris XTR

... or IOR CQB

evollep3
12-01-2009, 2:06 PM
one more as well that is in the millet range is the new Leupold Mark AR 1.5x4 you can find them around $280

Bug Splat
12-01-2009, 2:15 PM
I love my DMS-1. Great scope for the money.

Jeffu
12-01-2009, 4:16 PM
I'd like to know some more alternative mounts to LaRue SPR 1.5

devilmoon
12-01-2009, 4:39 PM
if you want the best id just stick with larue

evollep3
12-01-2009, 5:11 PM
if you want the best id just stick with larue

i dont know about that one. but other mounts that i would look at is American defenses and bobro mounts and if you are on a budget a good one piece mount burris PEPR or the Rock River one which is far cheaper and same design

fuzz415
05-11-2011, 2:43 PM
Sorry to resurrect an old thread, probably in the wrong forum too, but what the hell

Ive been thinking about buying this scope. I am unfamiliar with the way mounts and risers work with a scope. How does this scope work if i have a front sight post? do i have to get risers that raise the scope well above the front sight post? do i do a co witness since it has a semi red dot recticle looking thingy?

IS this still the scope to get over the primary arms 1-4x? i was reading that the weaver 1-4x is really the best scope in terms of quality, however they dont make the "classic v" scope anymore in 1-4x they have 2-10x. How does that compare to 1-4x?

I am mainly using the rifle for killing paper and clay pigeons. i might get into some classes or 3 gun, although not immediately. I have been using irons since i bought the rifle, zeroed the irons at 100yrds. I have about 1.5k rounds thru it. the problem that came up is, beyond 100yrds, its a bit difficult to tell where im aiming. i went to 200yrds the other week, my front sight post was completely obscuring my target and i was almost aiming at the top of the backstop due to my zero. I would like to get out a bit further , and being relatively new to rifles in general, i would like to use the scope as a crutch to just make shooting at distance easier.

gun toting monkeyboy
05-11-2011, 3:06 PM
Next time just start your own thread in the centerfire rifles section. You will get fewer comments about necroposting, and Jesus killing kittens and so on.

I have one of these, and I like it. It is not a target scope by any means. But I am able to shoot between 1-2 MOA at 100 yards with it, and most of the error is probably me. I have been very happy with it. I have used it to hammer clay pigeons at 125 yards, and I can do that all day long with this cranked up to 4x. I have mine mounted with 2 30mm high scope rings. YMMV on what height you prefer. I don't know how this one works with a front sight, as mine doesn't have one. Sorry. I would go with something that has a higher magnification if I were planning on shooting at 200+ yards. But that is just me with my bad eyes. If you are looking for a do-everything set up, you might also consider a red dot and a flip-to-the-side magnifier. If you plan on just using the scope, but want one that can double as a red dot, there is nothing wrong with the DMS. It is just a bit too long to put a rear sight on the rifle easily. In 1x-1.5x, it is just as fast as my Aimpoints, and almost as fast as an Eotech.

-Mb

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, probably in the wrong forum too, but what the hell

Ive been thinking about buying this scope. I am unfamiliar with the way mounts and risers work with a scope. How does this scope work if i have a front sight post? do i have to get risers that raise the scope well above the front sight post? do i do a co witness since it has a semi red dot recticle looking thingy?

IS this still the scope to get over the primary arms 1-4x? i was reading that the weaver 1-4x is really the best scope in terms of quality, however they dont make the "classic v" scope anymore in 1-4x they have 2-10x. How does that compare to 1-4x?

I am mainly using the rifle for killing paper and clay pigeons. i might get into some classes or 3 gun, although not immediately. I have been using irons since i bought the rifle, zeroed the irons at 100yrds. I have about 1.5k rounds thru it. the problem that came up is, beyond 100yrds, its a bit difficult to tell where im aiming. i went to 200yrds the other week, my front sight post was completely obscuring my target and i was almost aiming at the top of the backstop due to my zero. I would like to get out a bit further , and being relatively new to rifles in general, i would like to use the scope as a crutch to just make shooting at distance easier.

evollep3
05-11-2011, 4:05 PM
What MB said!
but if you really want to spend more time beyond 200yds I would get 3x10 and depending your budget I would get anything from Nikon on the low end and Trijicon on the mid-end and you know what the regular high end is... NF, USO, PR

Droppin Deuces
05-11-2011, 4:07 PM
I had one of these and eventually swapped it out for a 3-9x. Not that it wasn't a good scope. I liked it a lot aside from it being quite large and heavy for what it is, and the eye relief isn't so great.
I'm much happier with the higher power scope. In fact, the one I have(Leupold Mark AR MD) actually has better and more forgiving eye relief.
If you're set on the Millett, try to find one used.

jcaoloveshine
05-11-2011, 4:07 PM
holy necropost, i barely remember this thread

Droppin Deuces
05-11-2011, 4:15 PM
I give him high points for using the search function.

pyro3k2
05-11-2011, 4:23 PM
I give him high points for using the search function.

the search function is strong with this one. Only thing I would change from my past posts is where to buy the scope from. http://swfa.com/Millett-1-4x24-DMS-Burris-PEPR-Combo-P42148.aspx would be a better deal than optics plant

fuzz415
05-11-2011, 5:04 PM
but if you really want to spend more time beyond 200yds I would get 3x10

id like to eventually get out to 300yards. From reading here, it seems most people say irons would be sufficient. I like the irons. i just want something to help me past 100yards or so. I think ill eventually get a long range 30 caliber rifle with a 4-16x scope, that should get me out to 600ish or so i think.

Im not particulaly set on a 1-4x times just something that will kinda of be a do everything scope for my carbine. if thats gonna be a 1-4, 2-8, or a 3-9 so be it. Just wanted to bounce the ideas off the forum and get all our our advice

haha damned if you do damned if you dont for the search and necro posting huh. =P

pyro3k2
05-11-2011, 5:08 PM
I think you got us all wrong here. You actually used the feature and even had a reason for bringing this post back, my comment was not intended to be negative.

fuzz415
05-11-2011, 5:11 PM
o yeah i was just giving monkeyboy a hard time. thanks for the input

i was there was a store in the bay where you could check out all the different types of optics and mounts and stuff.

ZX-10R
05-11-2011, 5:28 PM
for that price range a millet dms-1 1-4x is good.

This.

Ruiner
05-11-2011, 6:38 PM
I'd like to know some more alternative mounts to LaRue SPR 1.5

Bobro, ADM...

xfilterx
05-11-2011, 6:44 PM
I had a Millet DMS-1 on my FN FS2000 which I loved. Loved it so much I bought another to go on my HK SL8-1. Love the scope and great value for the money.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1211060/SL8/IMG_6885.JPG

bombadillo
05-11-2011, 7:05 PM
I would look into a Redfield Revolution 3-9x40 with the Accurange reticle. I think for the money that it will be a great scope for you. Around $200 for decent optics, more magnification, and the bell won't be huge and running into things. 3-9x40 is a great all around setup to get out to 400-500 yards without feeling like you're running out of magnification, but the 3x allows for decent target acquisition and great for sub 100 yards.

gun toting monkeyboy
05-11-2011, 9:19 PM
:p Pthhhht! I was just warning you that you might get flames, not lighting the barbeque myself. ;)

And yes, you do get full points for your google-fu.

Now, as for the people that say that iron sights are great for 300+ yards... It depends on what you are shooting at. If all you want to do it hit a 18" gong at that range, they will probably be fine. In good light. If you have anything else in mind, good luck. You are going to need it. The whole reason they have scopes it to let you hit things far away. Usually easier than you would be able to with iron sights. There is no real end-all, be-all scope. There are scopes that are good for one thing or another. And there are scopes that are ok for several things. But there is no CQB to 500 yard scope out there. The closest you are going to come is a red dot with a magnifier that can be moved out of the way. And trust me, they are only an ok solution. Look at what you plan on doing with your rifle, and shop for a scope to match that role. If you aren't planning on clearing rooms in low light, look at a 3x9 of some sort. There is a reason they are so popular for hunting rifles. They are a decent compromise for 25 yards out to several hundred. If you are thinking of potting varmints, go with a higher power. If you are looking at possibly shooting in low loight or at night, maybe some form of illuminated reticle is in order. Pick what you like. If you don't like it, you can always change it, and sell the old scope to cover some of your costs.

-Mb

pdugan6
05-11-2011, 9:36 PM
good thread another good glass if you dont mind to pay a little more is the Trijicon Accupoint and the Burris XTR

^^+1 you get what you pay for. I LOVE my accupoint
http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=325
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_bxSkLRifOi0/Tctyxbu8wZI/AAAAAAAAGgQ/V72_3HkJOfw/s1024/IMAG0266.jpg

Sniper3142
05-11-2011, 9:48 PM
I suggest the SWFA SS HD 1-4x.

http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-1-4x24-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P48361.aspx

It is among the best scopes currently available for the $$$.

I had a DMS-1 that broke when my rifle fell... out of my safe. :(

nrakid88
05-11-2011, 10:01 PM
I suggest the SWFA SS HD 1-4x.

http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-1-4x24-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P48361.aspx

It is among the best scopes currently available for the $$$.

I had a DMS-1 that broke when my rifle fell... out of my safe. :(

i have been contemplating this scope... just wondering if its too much cash to drop on a four power.

IPSICK
05-11-2011, 10:32 PM
Surprised no one has mentioned the Burris TAC30 1-4x24 (http://swfa.com/Burris-1-4x24-Fullfield-TAC-30-Tactical-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P48171.aspx).

It's $300 (+$100 over OP's budget), but it has better glass and reputation than the Millett.

If you want to make a real investment then the Trijicon or the SWFA SS are your best bets.

Toast
05-11-2011, 10:50 PM
It's a 1-3x but the Weaver Classic V is a great scope, when I get a scope its gonna be one of those. It weighs half of the Millet (8oz vs 16oz) and is higher quality, it's cheap too.

Knife Edge
05-12-2011, 6:14 AM
^^+1 you get what you pay for. I LOVE my accupoint
http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=325
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_bxSkLRifOi0/Tctyxbu8wZI/AAAAAAAAGgQ/V72_3HkJOfw/s1024/IMAG0266.jpg

NICE AR!!

fuzz415
05-12-2011, 9:58 AM
It's a 1-3x but the Weaver Classic V is a great scope, when I get a scope its gonna be one of those. It weighs half of the Millet (8oz vs 16oz) and is higher quality, it's cheap too.

i think my decision is between these 2. Now i just have to figure out how to mount/witness the scopes with a front sight post.

bombadillo
05-12-2011, 5:48 PM
I don't think you're going to need to worry too much about the front sight post. I would want the dot on a 1-4x to be just above the FSP if anything but on 2x, 3x, or 4x, you're probably not going to even see the FSP at all. It completely just blurs out and you see your target instead. Kind of interesting how that works.