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franco802
11-28-2009, 9:09 AM
I was doing some searching and noticed there is not much talk about FAL rifles. I was wondering if anyone has built their own FAL in here? I was also wondering what everyones thoughts were on the Cali legal FAL. I am in the market for a semi-auto .308/7.62 rifle. I was looking at the Springfield, but its very expensive and hard to find.

B Strong
11-28-2009, 9:13 AM
Lot's of us have built FAL's - Metric, Inch, mix and match parts rifles, the works.

Fixed 10 round mag with a stripper clip top cover, or a bullet button, you can't go wrong.

Check out Enterprise Arms and DSA for built CA. configured FAL's or get the AGI video on DIY building, get a parts kit and receiver and knock yourself out.

tmuller
11-28-2009, 9:21 AM
DIY builds are much more complex than an AR. I have a DSA FAL that I have a mag lock on and it's a great rifle. I may be at P2K with it tomorrow morning shoot me a pm if you want to try.....

franco802
11-28-2009, 9:27 AM
DIY builds are much more complex than an AR. I have a DSA FAL that I have a mag lock on and it's a great rifle. I may be at P2K with it tomorrow morning shoot me a pm if you want to try.....

Awesome, I might be down there as well. Suppose to finish breaking in my Savage rifle. Thanks.

Cobrafreak
11-28-2009, 9:30 AM
I have a featureless FN FAL that will allow me to drop mags with my hand. Very nice gun. The first Appleseed I took it to I got rated "Rifleman". I used to have a mag lock but it was a huge pain to use. Go with Solar grip covers for utility.

blackfalcon
11-28-2009, 4:58 PM
I have an Entreprise FAL for about a year and love it! I live nearby Entreprise which is a great because when they were building my rifle I could drop off parts (I changed the cocking handle and muzzle break) and they could install them for me. While I haven't put that many rounds through it, I haven't had any problems with it.
Here is my Entreprise build with Elcan Specter DR scope

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z242/mauser_album/DSC02589.jpg

wash
11-28-2009, 5:42 PM
That looks nice, how do you like that $cope?

For the op, a Springfield SAR48 is pretty much an Imbel FAL. The SAR4800 is an Imbel FAL with a butt-hole stock.

I've heard that some Springfield's were made with Israeli parts kits but I've never seen one of those in person.

Imbel made good FAL's but today with the importation ban they are overpriced. DSA makes a receiver that is as good or better and you'll probably be able to buy one for less.

Ford8N
11-28-2009, 6:12 PM
I was doing some searching and noticed there is not much talk about FAL rifles. I was wondering if anyone has built their own FAL in here? I was also wondering what everyones thoughts were on the Cali legal FAL. I am in the market for a semi-auto .308/7.62 rifle. I was looking at the Springfield, but its very expensive and hard to find.

It's almost as cheap to buy a FAL type rifle as it is to spin one together. The tools will cost a bit unless you can find a friendly to loan for free. US parts will cost too. What's *****en about the FAL is it can be made a single shot in less time it takes to type this sentence. Pull the gas plug, drop out the piston, put the plug back in turned to "Gr", presto, single shot.

jjperl
11-28-2009, 6:28 PM
If you are looking for a semi-auto 308 rifle, the FAL is the way to go. I've had mine for years and I haven't had one single problem. It's been 100% reliable. Take a look at Enterprise Arms, they sell some nice stuff there. And if you are thinking about going the bullet button route, I have some for sale.

NovaTodd
11-28-2009, 6:58 PM
You will love it. They are harder to put together than the avarage AR but not to the extent of a home built AK. You will need some special tools to remove and retorque the barrel. Mine is an Enterprise receiver, and I had them install and torque the barrel. Just be prepared to wait for it as they seem to have their own timetable of doing things.
I don't have very many rounds down the pipe but have only had problems when I turned the gas system down - turn it back up and fire away.
If you can get to a range where someone is shooting one, see if you can give it a try - unfortunately it will only add to the black rifle disease...

franco802
11-29-2009, 1:49 PM
Definitely going to go with a FAL as my next rifle. They sell FALs at Project 2000 here in El Cajon. I might buy one there. They run about $1075 there.

John Z
11-29-2009, 2:58 PM
Definitely going to go with a FAL as my next rifle. They sell FALs at Project 2000 here in El Cajon. I might buy one there. They run about $1075 there.

Franco, can you give me a little more detail on the FAL they have? DSA or Entreprise, and is there is maglock or is the magazine permanently fixed in place (like the ones Turner sells)? I was there about a month ago, but didn't see any. Thanks.

GM4spd
11-29-2009, 3:24 PM
FAL's are neat battle rifles---they have classic lines/looks that will not
quit. They are ergonomically friendly with their controls---safety,folding
cocking handle,nice mag release(original configuration only) and their
break open feature(so you can easily remove your bolt and clean from the
breech end)NOT the muzzle! Pictured is a Brit L1A1 copy/clone. Pete

http://www.fototime.com/5155CB4839D8F56/standard.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/60FE5A80C82EB06/standard.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/712D885985637C4/standard.jpg

franco802
11-29-2009, 11:43 PM
Franco, can you give me a little more detail on the FAL they have? DSA or Entreprise, and is there is maglock or is the magazine permanently fixed in place (like the ones Turner sells)? I was there about a month ago, but didn't see any. Thanks.

Not sure John, I tool a look at it last week. I been wanting one ever since. I use to shoot my buddy's FAL back in the early 90's, it was fun as hell. I want my own now.

It had a fixed mag, but looked like it could be removed, not sure. It could only be loaded from the top.

X-NewYawker
11-30-2009, 12:04 AM
The Free World's Right Arm:

CA legal DSA top loader:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/IMG_6115.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/DSaRMSFN.jpg
DSA and parts rifle:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/_MG_4594.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/_MG_4601.jpg
Steyr import in THE DAY (1979)
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/Daddy-and-his-FN-FAL-.jpg
Never should have gotten rid of it -- never should have scoped it. A FAL is one of the cleanest, smoothest, low recoil (gas adjustable) rifles out there. The fact that we adopted the M-14 instead of this evolution of the rifle back in the 1950's trials is ridiculous.
I'm going to watch the WILD GEESE again tonight.

C.G.
11-30-2009, 1:17 AM
My Para is just like yours was, minus the optics and the side rails.

gatdammit
11-30-2009, 4:32 AM
I just finished my FAL built on an STG 58 kit... it is an awesome rifle. TOok it to the range today, it's more accurate than I am. BTW, all of you with FAL,s where do you buy your 10/20 mags... 10/30? Do I gotta make/convert them myself?

thefurball
11-30-2009, 6:12 AM
I have built two so far. I love the long clean lines.

GM4spd
11-30-2009, 6:43 AM
I just finished my FAL built on an STG 58 kit... it is an awesome rifle. TOok it to the range today, it's more accurate than I am. BTW, all of you with FAL,s where do you buy your 10/20 mags... 10/30? Do I gotta make/convert them myself?

You can get good 10/20s from Entreprise. Before you do-- go to FALFILES
and get some "Made in USA" mag floorplates and have Entreprise
weld them up for you when you buy their mags---the floorplates are $1
apiece and count as a US part---makes a lot of sense especially if you
have a fixed mag rifle. Be sure you specify "inch" or "metric" floorplates for the proper mag! The picture is an "INCH" mag and floorplate.(That is an oil stain on the mag which didn't get wiped off) Pete
I screwed the pic up---the mag is an INCH mag but the floorplate is for a METRIC,the last pic shows both--metric is the smaller


http://www.fototime.com/A2EC56F553F0E36/standard.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/FA726CEEED8A0AB/standard.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/2EECEC66BE579A7/standard.jpg

franco802
11-30-2009, 7:03 AM
Damn this thread going and going:)

You guys got some sweet FALs!! The one I have been looking at is a top loader and looks like it comes with a fixed 10/30 mag. I believe its $1075 or $1175, I forgot. Either way, I may buy it from Project 2000 locally. If I buy it from Enterprise(which i would like), by the time I paid shipping, FFL fees etc...it would cost way more than buying one locally.

CmpsdNoMore
11-30-2009, 7:07 AM
I've been looking into 7.62x51 semi-auto rifles over the 5.56 AR lately. I've fallen in love with the classic look of the M1A and I have mixed feelings about the looks of the Fal, but I'm warming up to it.

Mstnpete
11-30-2009, 7:11 AM
I used to have an Imbel FAL before the ban. Too bad I sold her.
Now I want one again. I got to stop by at Enterprise and check out the 16" Carbine they make.

BHPFan
11-30-2009, 7:36 AM
The fact that we adopted the M-14 instead of this evolution of the rifle back in the 1950's trials is ridiculous.
I'm going to watch the WILD GEESE again tonight.

Don't underestimate the M-14 as it's no slouch itself. Keep in mind, that the M-14 is derived from the M1 Garand so it was cheaper to use the same tools.

I admit the FN-FAL is a great rifle, arguably one of the best, if not the best, battle rifles of the Cold War. However, in those days, there was also the stupid permeating 'NIH' mentality: "Not Invented Here", No Good.

franco802
11-30-2009, 8:08 AM
I'm going to pick it up today. It's a 16" carbine model for $1149.00. made by Enterprise, what a coincidence lol.

GM4spd
11-30-2009, 8:45 AM
Don't underestimate the M-14 as it's no slouch itself. Keep in mind, that the M-14 is derived from the M1 Garand so it was cheaper to use the same tools.

I admit the FN-FAL is a great rifle, arguably one of the best, if not the best, battle rifles of the Cold War. However, in those days, there was also the stupid permeating 'NIH' mentality: "Not Invented Here", No Good.

I love the M-14 and Garand but the idea of taking the trigger housing and
stock off to get to the oprod is a clustertruck. Cleaning from the muzzle
is probably their worst design feature.The gas system on the FAL is
about the best one out there and shooting it doesn't even feel like the
full size caliber that it is. I used to really like the AR's for ease of shooting
extended periods but after I got the FAL no more "mouse guns" for me.
The price of 556 ammo is about the same as 762NATO so I don't need the
smaller caliber.
Pete

http://www.fototime.com/126577AF867E2A6/standard.jpg

Standard
11-30-2009, 8:58 AM
I've been wanting a FAL, but I'd have to sell my 5.45 AR to get it, and I'm not sure I can justify selling a modern gun that shoots cheap, effective ammo, for an older style (outdated?) gun that shoots big, expensive ammo.
Someone talk me into it. I'm getting bored with ARs for some reason.

MasterYong
11-30-2009, 9:06 AM
That looks nice, how do you like that $cope?

For the op, a Springfield SAR48 is pretty much an Imbel FAL. The SAR4800 is an Imbel FAL with a butt-hole stock.

I've heard that some Springfield's were made with Israeli parts kits but I've never seen one of those in person.

Imbel made good FAL's but today with the importation ban they are overpriced. DSA makes a receiver that is as good or better and you'll probably be able to buy one for less.

Wuzza?

wash
11-30-2009, 9:18 AM
For the federal ban Springfield used an ugly thumb hole stock to make a post ban FAL.

Frijolito1988
11-30-2009, 9:25 AM
I've yet to add a FAL to my stable , but its on my must buy list. The FAL is a great battle rifle, what is there not to love about the right arm of the free world ? It has seen its fair share of wars from the falklands to the bush war and many other uprisings.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj297/frijolito1988/GUNS/rhodesia.jpg

MasterYong
11-30-2009, 9:41 AM
For the federal ban Springfield used an ugly thumb hole stock to make a post ban FAL.

Yes. THUMBHOLE.

:p

wash
11-30-2009, 9:50 AM
Not if you've seen one.

MasterYong
11-30-2009, 9:53 AM
Not if you've seen one.

:rofl: :rofl2: :rofl:

Mstnpete
11-30-2009, 9:56 AM
I'm going to pick it up today. It's a 16" carbine model for $1149.00. made by Enterprise, what a coincidence lol.

Congrats on the purchase bro! Make sure to post pictures :)

HUTCH 7.62
11-30-2009, 10:05 AM
I have a DSA STG 58 and I love it. Real easy to shoot. don't get a short barrel you'll regret it.

franco802
11-30-2009, 11:16 AM
Bought and paid for!! Now I have to do the stupid 10 day thing lol. Btw they have one more carbine model and one with a longer barrel, longer muzzlebreak and a bipod. I think that one was 1275.00.

BHPFan
11-30-2009, 12:16 PM
Bought and paid for!! Now I have to do the stupid 10 day thing lol. Btw they have one more carbine model and one with a longer barrel, longer muzzlebreak and a bipod. I think that one was 1275.00.

Congratulations!!! You'll LUV it!!!

franco802
11-30-2009, 12:35 PM
Thanks!! I can't wait to shoot it!!!!

gatdammit
11-30-2009, 1:00 PM
You can get good 10/20s from Entreprise. Before you do-- go to FALFILES
and get some "Made in USA" mag floorplates and have Entreprise
weld them up for you when you buy their mags---the floorplates are $1
apiece and count as a US part---makes a lot of sense especially if you
have a fixed mag rifle. Be sure you specify "inch" or "metric" floorplates for the proper mag! The picture is an "INCH" mag and floorplate.(That is an oil stain on the mag which didn't get wiped off) Pete
I screwed the pic up---the mag is an INCH mag but the floorplate is for a METRIC,the last pic shows both--metric is the smaller


http://www.fototime.com/A2EC56F553F0E36/standard.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/FA726CEEED8A0AB/standard.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/2EECEC66BE579A7/standard.jpg

THanks I"ll do that. If I already have 7 parts then do I need the floorplate? I got , the charging handle, upper receiver, Hammer, Trigger, Sear, pistol grip, & gas piston.

GM4spd
11-30-2009, 2:24 PM
THanks I"ll do that. If I already have 7 parts then do I need the floorplate? I got , the charging handle, upper receiver, Hammer, Trigger, Sear, pistol grip, & gas piston.

You are good for the US parts, for a buck the floorplate for the mag is just a
good deal for another part. Pete

vandal
11-30-2009, 2:40 PM
I have an Imbel/STG58 I built that is a registered AW. Alas, I've not shot it much due to cost and haven't been able to pick the right optic for it either.

http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac292/vandalpix/fal/falmicro.jpg

mousberg15
11-30-2009, 4:10 PM
They have a nice California legal FAL Imbel that they sell @ atlanticfirearms.com. for $930. I just might sell my AR to get it. Check it out

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct792.aspx

blackfalcon
11-30-2009, 10:32 PM
That looks nice, how do you like that scope?
I really like the Elcan scope. I have an ACOG TA 31 on my AR and used the aimpoints as well. The Elcan is both an ACOG and aimpoint rolled into one unit. Although, the Elcan is quite heavy, especially when it is mounted on the rifle. The newer Elcan has a 1.5X to 6X capability!

Czechsix
11-30-2009, 10:40 PM
The Free World's Right Arm:

CA legal DSA top loader:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/IMG_6115.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/DSaRMSFN.jpg


This guy is going to get a thumbhole of another kind if he tries that grip while firing, LOL......

JohnBrian
11-30-2009, 11:38 PM
I built my FAL in 2002. The kit was a G1 and the receiver an Imbel. I replaced the G1 barrel with a new Argentine because I wanted a threaded muzzle & the cost for a gunsmith to thread the G1 barrel was the same as the new barrel. G1 barrels aren't threaded & their muzzle attachments (flash hider, grenade launcher, and blank firing devce) lock onto the barrel with a tab that is built on the barrel.

The muzzle brake is a Belgian pattern. I recently found another type of brake in DSA's closeout section on their website. The Belgian brake works fair but I have been wanting something better. Since the DSA brake was only $9.99 (IIRC) I'm not out much if I don't like it. The DSA brake has the standard metric FAL threads so it screws right on. I haven't had any luck finding other brakes that are threaded for the FAL.

It is a good shooter but I've never really put it to paper. I had a Tasco scope on it that I sighted in at 25 yards at Angeles a few months back. I was able to hit the steel plates at up to 600 yards with little difficulty.

I bought a Zeiss Conquest 1.85-5.5x40mm scope a few months ago but I haven't had the chance to sight it in yet. The rings are Weaver see-thru so I can still use the iron sights.

The scope mount cover I bought several years ago from Brownell's. It slides on the receiver & doesn't have any locking plates (which is why I specifically bought it rather than one with locking plates). I did have a Tasco scope on it & it does return to zero after removing the cover (which I did several times). However, since it is alumnium I imagine it would get worn to the point where it wouldn't return to zero but it would take many removals/installs to wear it out. Its not made anymore probably for this reason.

I had DSA OD X-series furniture (which I intend to put in the sale section eventually) on it but I changed to wood a month ago. The buttstock is a Belgian and the handguards are inch-pattern Canadian (or maybe Australian, I don't really know as they look the same).

The grip is an Ergo that has much less of an angle than the original so I can actually operate the selector without having to change my hand position. The selector is an inch-pattern from an L1A1. If you have short fingers like I do I'd recommend it since it is longer than the metric (you do need to modify it slighty using a grinder or Dremel).

I have an Eagle sling for it but since I put the wood on it I need to add a mount. I don't like my slings on the lower rear of the stock as it gets in the way of using the grip. Gunpartsguy.com has a plate that goes between the stock & the receiver that provides a slot for a sling but I haven't ordered it as yet.

The charging handle is Israeli & has a forward assist. Pushing in on the knob engages a slot cut into the bolt carrier. I cut the slot with a Dremel since I didn't want to spend the extra $$ for an original Israeli carrier.

The 10-round magazine is from DSA & the bullet button from thedrickel.

I refinished the rifle (forgetting the magazine & bullet button in the process!) a few months ago with Brownell's Aluma-Hyde II. It previously had a Krylon camo paint scheme.

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt311/CG_johnbrian/002-4.jpg

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt311/CG_johnbrian/001-2.jpg

franco802
12-01-2009, 9:09 PM
I built my FAL in 2002. The kit was a G1 and the receiver an Imbel. I replaced the G1 barrel with a new Argentine because I wanted a threaded muzzle & the cost for a gunsmith to thread the G1 barrel was the same as the new barrel. G1 barrels aren't threaded & their muzzle attachments (flash hider, grenade launcher, and blank firing devce) lock onto the barrel with a tab that is built on the barrel.

The muzzle brake is a Belgian pattern. I recently found another type of brake in DSA's closeout section on their website. The Belgian brake works fair but I have been wanting something better. Since the DSA brake was only $9.99 (IIRC) I'm not out much if I don't like it. The DSA brake has the standard metric FAL threads so it screws right on. I haven't had any luck finding other brakes that are threaded for the FAL.

It is a good shooter but I've never really put it to paper. I had a Tasco scope on it that I sighted in at 25 yards at Angeles a few months back. I was able to hit the steel plates at up to 600 yards with little difficulty.

I bought a Zeiss Conquest 1.85-5.5x40mm scope a few months ago but I haven't had the chance to sight it in yet. The rings are Weaver see-thru so I can still use the iron sights.

The scope mount cover I bought several years ago from Brownell's. It slides on the receiver & doesn't have any locking plates (which is why I specifically bought it rather than one with locking plates). I did have a Tasco scope on it & it does return to zero after removing the cover (which I did several times). However, since it is alumnium I imagine it would get worn to the point where it wouldn't return to zero but it would take many removals/installs to wear it out. Its not made anymore probably for this reason.

I had DSA OD X-series furniture (which I intend to put in the sale section eventually) on it but I changed to wood a month ago. The buttstock is a Belgian and the handguards are inch-pattern Canadian (or maybe Australian, I don't really know as they look the same).

The grip is an Ergo that has much less of an angle than the original so I can actually operate the selector without having to change my hand position. The selector is an inch-pattern from an L1A1. If you have short fingers like I do I'd recommend it since it is longer than the metric (you do need to modify it slighty using a grinder or Dremel).

I have an Eagle sling for it but since I put the wood on it I need to add a mount. I don't like my slings on the lower rear of the stock as it gets in the way of using the grip. Gunpartsguy.com has a plate that goes between the stock & the receiver that provides a slot for a sling but I haven't ordered it as yet.

The charging handle is Israeli & has a forward assist. Pushing in on the knob engages a slot cut into the bolt carrier. I cut the slot with a Dremel since I didn't want to spend the extra $$ for an original Israeli carrier.

The 10-round magazine is from DSA & the bullet button from thedrickel.

I refinished the rifle (forgetting the magazine & bullet button in the process!) a few months ago with Brownell's Aluma-Hyde II. It previously had a Krylon camo paint scheme.

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt311/CG_johnbrian/002-4.jpg

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt311/CG_johnbrian/001-2.jpg

That is a badazz FAL!!!!!!!

JohnBrian
12-01-2009, 9:53 PM
That is a badazz FAL!!!!!!!
Thank you! :D