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Charliegone
11-02-2005, 12:22 AM
it is unfortunate what happened, but GUN CONTROL IS NOT THE ANSWER!

Frantic Son Told 911 of Shootings in House

A disturbed neighbor's deadly rampage in O.C. leaves victims' relatives decrying gun purchase.

By Christine Hanley and Susana Enriquez
Times Staff Writers

November 2, 2005

Brandon Smith was awakened by the sound of gunshots and his sister's screams. He found her lying on the staircase of their Aliso Viejo home, bleeding badly. Then he found his father on the living room floor. He had been shot too, and he wasn't breathing.

In a frantic call to police, a confused and frightened Smith, 20, also told a dispatcher he could hear someone growling and thought the shooter was still lurking inside the house.

"I don't know what to do," Smith said during his 911 call Saturday morning. "My sister is laying on the staircase, my dad is laying on the floor. I was in my bedroom sleeping, and all of a sudden, I heard shots fired in the house." Brandon Smith escaped unharmed. His sister, Christina, 22, and father, Vernon, 45, didn't. They were killed in a rampage by their neighbor William Freund, 19. Freund left the Smith house in the southern Orange County neighborhood and fired at a home across the street. He tried to shoot a neighbor, but the gun jammed. He walked home and killed himself.

Brandon Smith's 911 call, released Tuesday by the Orange County Sheriff's Department, offers the first eyewitness account of what happened inside the home after Freund entered, dressed in a cape and mask, armed with a 12-gauge shotgun, and harboring a motive that has so far eluded investigators.

The rampage was the last act of a young man desperate for friendship and relief from Asperger's syndrome, a variant of autism that hampers the ability to interact socially, which Freund said he had.

Outside the Smith home Tuesday, Juanita Guerrero, cousin of Vernon Smith's 43-year-old widow, Denise, read a statement while flanked by the widow's brothers and other relatives.

"Vern and Christina were and will always be a part of our family. They were a part of this community and contributed joy and light to those around them. Their passing makes no sense and serves no purpose. They have been taken from us, and what we want is peace for everyone that has been touched by this tragedy."

She also made a plea for stronger gun regulations. "What makes no sense are the laws which demand that for someone to obtain a driver's license and operate a car, they need to pass several tests to make sure they're competent," she said "In contrast, to purchase a gun you simply have to walk into a store, present ID and wait a few days. Almost anyone can do that."

Freund's parents have not spoken publicly since the shootings and were secluded inside their home Tuesday. They let in a few visitors but did not open the door to reporters.

Freund began plotting his suicide and a "Terror Campaign to hurt those that have hurt me" weeks before the shooting, according to his postings on wrongplanet.net, a website used by people with Asperger's.

On Oct. 15 or 16, he filled out an application to buy the Remington shotgun at Saddleback Valley Gun Center, a small storefront gun shop in Laguna Niguel, according George Heuneman, the 68-year-old owner. The gun shop is about six miles from Freund's house.

The weapon cost about $300, and Freund paid in cash, Heuneman said. Freund told the shop owner he needed it to protect his home and to take on camping trips. "He looked like a perfectly clean-cut 19-year-old kid," Heuneman recalled.

On Oct. 19, Freund reported his purchase on wrongplanet.net, saying he "bought my gun from a bunch off old farts at a gun center."

Freund returned to pick up the gun Oct. 25 or 26, waiting for the state's mandatory 10-day waiting period to pass, Heuneman said.

The application process went without a hitch, he said, and Freund passed the federal and state background checks.

"Everything came back clean," Hueneman said. "They told me to deliver the gun."

Hueneman said Freund asked what kind of ammunition to use, then took Hueneman's advice and bought $5 worth of birdshot and a cleaning kit.

Heuneman said he's fairly certain that Freund asked about a target range and that he recommended On Target indoor range in Laguna Niguel, as he does all his customers.

"We point out all the safety features to them. We make them as familiar with the gun as we can before they take it out of the store," he said.

Freund was in the shop only on those two occasions, Heuneman said.

In a 12-hour period beginning Thursday, Freund logged on to a website for gun enthusiasts, thefiringline.com, and asked questions about his new Remington, according to Web master Rich Lucibella. One question was where in California he could shoot buckshot at a range.

On Friday, about 1 a.m., another member responded that novices should "Start with birdshot first then after you are used to the gun then work your way up to heavier loads."

The next day, Freund shot the Smiths and himself.

jdberger
11-02-2005, 12:55 PM
What an @sshole....:mad:

The world is a better place without him. I grieve for the victims' family.

PanzerAce
11-02-2005, 1:47 PM
'Stronger gun regulations'?? maybe if the sister and/or father had a gun, they would still be alive. after all, it sounds like they heard the guy, and got up to investigate.

Sympathies to the families, but gun regulations are not the answer.

On the other hand, I would be willing to make guns like cars. After all, at 16, you can get any car you want and use it any were you want to other than private property unless given permission. I think I could deal with those as the gun laws of Cali.

DarthSean
11-02-2005, 10:43 PM
This whole mess really annoys me! For me, it goes beyond having someone run around shooting others. In addition to having to worry about the media backlash and how it could affect my right to own a gun since I too have Asperger's Syndrome (mild High Functioning Autism) and I have been a member of Wrongplanet.net since last spring. I take care to use my guns safely an legally. I only use them for target shooting and I don't even keep one loaded for home defense. So do the other Autistic gun owners I have talked to (I think about 15 if them and likely to go up soon). I have read all of Will Freund's posts on Wrong Planet and he fully understood what he was doing and the consequenses thereof, and he should be thought of more like some crackhead that killed people in a liquor store robbery! The only thing I'm still wondering about is why no neighbors returned fire?:confused:

I just needed to vent about this somewhere. The media is being stupid as usual and my attempts to point all this out at Wrong Planet end up in pointless gun control debates with British members.:mad: :rolleyes:

Note: I made my own independent effort to track him down and notify the cops, but i had as much success as the site administration.:(

colossians323
11-03-2005, 3:57 AM
Sympathies to the families, but gun regulations are not the answer.

On the other hand, I would be willing to make guns like cars. After all, at 16, you can get any car you want and use it any were you want to other than private property unless given permission. I think I could deal with those as the gun laws of Cali.

Correction, you only have to be 16 to have a legal Cali license, you can buy any car you want, at any age.

PanzerAce
11-03-2005, 6:18 AM
Correction, you only have to be 16 to have a legal Cali license, you can buy any car you want, at any age.

yah, but seriously, how many 14 year olds do you see that own BMW 7s, or Audi A8s, or Ferraris, or MB S600s?

But true, there is no age limit on the car

ldivinag
11-03-2005, 2:23 PM
while this is sad, the next time a drunk driving death occurs, the relatives would go on camera and say,

"there should be more liquor laws. i have to wait 10 days to get a gun, yet, anyone who pays up, can get a drink just like that..."


[/sarcasm]

lazyman
11-04-2005, 12:57 PM
I saw the story on the news. He also went outside and took a shot at a neighbor looking through a window. He missed though. I heard he then took his life. The whole situation is ugly. I have a friend whose younger brother is into guns and he has a shotgun but he's somewhat immature mentally to own a gun and he's 19.

tpliquid1
11-04-2005, 1:27 PM
Correction, you only have to be 16 to have a legal Cali license, you can buy any car you want, at any age.

but will the dealers sell to the underage?
there is a law that busiensses must comply. if a underage buys a item and decides to break and want to return it, they legally have to accept the item back.
i herd a story from my professor that a 16 year old bought a car crashed it and then returned it the next day with all his omney back. sumting like that ehhehehehe kekekke ^^

tpliquid1
11-04-2005, 1:28 PM
I saw the story on the news. He also went outside and took a shot at a neighbor looking through a window. He missed though. I heard he then took his life. The whole situation is ugly. I have a friend whose younger brother is into guns and he has a shotgun but he's somewhat immature mentally to own a gun and he's 19.

guns dont kill people, people kill people

unfamous
11-04-2005, 3:59 PM
Originally posted by colossians323:
Correction, you only have to be 16 to have a legal Cali license, you can buy any car you want, at any age.

UHHHH, I hate to push this thread off topic but I wouldn't want someone to to sell their car to a minor by mistake. :p

For a minor to own a car they must posess a valid California Driver's License.

From CA DMV FAQ Vehicle Registration and Title Information (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/vr_info.htm#minor):
According to the law, any minor who does not possess a valid driver's license cannot order, purchase, lease, accept, or otherwise obtain any vehicle subject to registration (Vehicle Code 15500).

Librarian
11-04-2005, 6:40 PM
Not entirely... VC 38010 and following (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=1617843512+0+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve) shows that off-road vehicles need not be registered, if they will truly not be used on the roads - there should be no problem with an unlicensed minor buying one of those - which include38012. (a) As used in this division, "off-highway motor vehicle subject to identification" means a motor vehicle subject to the provisions of subdivision (a) of Section 38010.
(b) As used in this division, "off-highway motor vehicle" includes, but is not limited to, the following:
(1) Any motorcycle or motor-driven cycle, except for any motorcycle which is eligible for a special transportation identification device issued pursuant to Section 38088.
(2) Any snowmobile or other vehicle designed to travel over snow or ice, as defined in Section 557.
(3) Any motor vehicle commonly referred to as a sand buggy, dune buggy, or all-terrain vehicle.
(4) Any motor vehicle commonly referred to as a jeep.
Jeeps are cars, so far as I am aware. Yes, it's a relatively minor exception.