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Noraku81
11-16-2009, 9:53 PM
Sorry if this has been posted many times but I figured one more on this wouldn't hurt.

http://www.nramemberscouncils.com/cgi-bin/petition.cgi

DTOM CA!
11-17-2009, 9:47 AM
I was #4533 to sign. I hope a lot more will join me.

avidone
11-17-2009, 10:21 AM
I am petitioner #4,544.

BIGCHRIS
11-17-2009, 10:26 AM
Since 15-Oct-2009, you are petitioner 4,546.

lobonegro
11-17-2009, 10:54 AM
Number 4,553

sepiid
11-17-2009, 10:54 AM
Since 15-Oct-2009, you are petitioner 4,547.

Thanks for SIGNING THE REPEAL AB 962 petition,

Dr Pete
11-17-2009, 11:36 AM
~ 14 every 30 minutes I am #4561---should be in the 100's of thousands to have our voices heard.

bballwizard05
11-17-2009, 11:45 AM
4562... we need SOOO MUCH MORE.

Malladawg
11-17-2009, 12:17 PM
Number 4,570

Thanks for posting the link.

dwtt
11-17-2009, 12:21 PM
Is this different from the letter campaign the member's councils started, or is it the same one?

rageagainst1984
11-17-2009, 12:40 PM
#4,573 Got a question..... Does AB962 say anything about buying equipment (Brass, Powder, Primers, Copper/Lead/FMJ) Online or GB to reload?

Cali-Shooter
11-17-2009, 12:44 PM
"Since 15-Oct-2009, you are petitioner 4,575."
Signed. I hope to do ALOT more, if there is a venue to pursue.

casting kid
11-17-2009, 12:51 PM
#4577.....

mdouglas1980
11-17-2009, 4:57 PM
# 4604

Gio
11-17-2009, 5:15 PM
I signed up a while ago, I do not know my number :( There was another thread like this before but it was locked and or deleted for some odd reason.

-Gio

radioman
11-17-2009, 7:19 PM
I'm 4623, 11-17 @ 7:17 pm

sseric75
11-17-2009, 8:08 PM
#4630 8:08pm

pyro22
11-17-2009, 9:51 PM
#4641@9:49

Librarian
11-17-2009, 10:46 PM
#4,573 Got a question..... Does AB962 say anything about buying equipment (Brass, Powder, Primers, Copper/Lead/FMJ) Online or GB to reload?

No.

"handgun ammunition" is what it regulates.

It does add a redundant provision making it a misdemeanor to sell pieces/parts to legally ineligibles, but does not require FTF sales of such things.

Carnivore
11-17-2009, 11:47 PM
Hum only number 4,648. We need more!!!

BunnySlayer
11-18-2009, 1:21 AM
Signed it at the last meeting of Corona gun club.

Dezert_Tacoma
11-18-2009, 8:45 AM
4,657

dwh100
11-18-2009, 4:06 PM
#4688

510shooter510
11-18-2009, 4:14 PM
Says I already signed it. I think i was #300ish back when.

dirtnap
11-18-2009, 4:20 PM
4,690

My fiancee just added her name.

m1aowner
11-18-2009, 4:30 PM
Petitioner 4,693

jnojr
11-18-2009, 4:50 PM
An online petition is worth the paper it's printed on.

dwtt
11-18-2009, 8:22 PM
An online petition is worth the paper it's printed on.

Which is why I asked if this is the same as the letter campaign my NRA member's council is doing. If this online petition takes attention away from the MC campaign, it's a waste of time and people should stick to the letter campaign.

obeygiant
11-18-2009, 8:56 PM
Which is why I asked if this is the same as the letter campaign my NRA member's council is doing. If this online petition takes attention away from the MC campaign, it's a waste of time and people should stick to the letter campaign.

This is indeed the same one that was posted in the letter thread by Mike Haas.

obeygiant
11-18-2009, 9:07 PM
An online petition is worth the paper it's printed on.

Care to elaborate on that? The online petition will go through the same scrutiny as a paper one. Here are the requirements per the CA Elections Code

California Elections Code Sections 100-106
CHAPTER 2. PETITIONS AND PETITION SIGNERS (http://law.justia.com/california/codes/elec/100-106.html)

105. For purposes of verifying signatures on any initiative,
referendum, recall, nomination, or other election petition or paper,
the elections official shall determine that the residence address on
the petition or paper is the same as the residence address on the
affidavit of registration. If the addresses are different, or if the
petition or paper does not specify the residence address, or, in the
case of an initiative or referendum petition, if the information
specified in Section 9020 (http://law.justia.com/california/codes/elec/9020-9022.html) is not contained in the petition, the
affected signature shall not be counted as valid.
Any signature invalidated pursuant to this section shall not
affect the validity of other valid signatures on the particular
petition or paper.

California Elections Code Sections 9020-9022
Article 2. Petition Signatures (http://law.justia.com/california/codes/elec/9020-9022.html)
9020. The petition sections shall be designed so that each signer
shall personally affix all of the following:
(a) His or her signature.
(b) His or her printed name.
(c) His or her residence address, giving street and number, or if
no street or number exists, adequate designation of residence so that
the location may be readily ascertained.
(d) The name of his or her incorporated city or unincorporated
community.
Only a person who is a qualified registered voter at the time of
signing the petition is entitled to sign it.
The number of signatures attached to each section shall be at the
pleasure of the person soliciting the signatures.

D53
11-18-2009, 9:14 PM
Since 15-Oct-2009, you are petitioner 4,741.

delta10
11-18-2009, 10:26 PM
#4,747

H Paul Payne
11-19-2009, 2:21 AM
Which is why I asked if this is the same as the letter campaign my NRA member's council is doing. If this online petition takes attention away from the MC campaign, it's a waste of time and people should stick to the letter campaign.
This is the same effort, just an "on-line version (http://www.calnra.com/petition/)" for those who don't have access to the "paper version (http://www.calnra.com/doc/supportab373.pdf)."

Please take note of the web site: http://www.calnra.com/ . That's the web site for The NRA Members' Councils of California (http://www.nramemberscouncils.com/).

Thanks for asking this important question.


An online petition is worth the paper it's printed on.
I absolutely agree. And this "petition (http://www.calnra.com/petition/)" is actually just what it says. It's title is "Letter of Support for Assembly Bill 373."

In other words, individuals who fill-out the "on-line (http://www.calnra.com/petition/)" form will be submitting a "Letter of Support" to the State Legislature in the same manner that they would if they filled-out the (print version (http://www.calnra.com/doc/supportab373.pdf)). This is called lobbying.

If you read the message that I posted (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=3275993&postcount=139) about this topic, before this duplicate thread began, you will better understand what is occurring with this effort. In fact, we are probably better off if we stick to the original thread (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=231609) regarding this effort.

Care to elaborate on that? The online petition will go through the same scrutiny as a paper one. Here are the requirements per the CA Elections Code
Actually, the CA Elections Code will have no impact on this effort because we are engaged in a LOBBYING EFFORT. Citizens are simply using these letters (http://www.calnra.com/petition/) to lobby their State Legislature in support of a piece of legislation (AB373).

And, BTW........ Here is an excerpt of a letter that I have sent to some supporters for the purpose of clarification of our efforts.

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I have been tasked with collection of "Letters of Support of Assembly Bill 373" and the promotion of the physical and on-line versions. Each "on-line" version will be individually printed on a separate sheet of paper so that every signer will be equally represented in the legislature. BTW, I will also be responsible for the physical transportation of all of the letters the State Legislature for submission during the Hearing on AB373. The letters will be formally presented by NRA's Ed Worley and CRPA's Tom Pedersen during their testimony at the Assembly Public Safety Committee hearing.

Please note that each and every letter (on-line and physical) that I collect are protected by NRA's Data Privacy Policy found at http://www.calnra.com/petition/privacy.shtml . It states (in part): This Privacy Policy covers all information gathered, stored, or acquired by any manner from the web page at the "SUPPORT AB373 / REPEAL AB962" online petition or equivalent PDF document.

All information gathered by NRAMembersCouncils.com will be treated in the same manner as all NRA membership data -- Highly Confidential. Under no circumstances will this data be sold, lent, used, traded, bartered, or in any other way transferred for cost or no-cost.

In other words, these letters will be sent to the State Legislature and entered into the official record supporting AB373. But no data-mining will occur; and we will not build lists, solicit membership or donations, or mis-use the information on the letters in any way.

To be perfectly clear: THE ONLY PURPOSE OF THESE "LETTERS IN SUPPORT OF ASSEMBLY BILL 373" IS FOR THEM TO BE DELIVERED TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE --- ASSEMBLY PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE HEARING. Period!!! THE SIGNERS WILL BE ENTERED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD AS SUPPORTERS OF AB373. When we deliver tens-of-thousands of letters, and every one of them is exactly the same ---- the message will be clear. That message, that gun owners in California are not divided and will work together in a common effort, is a very strong one indeed. Having multiple letters, petitions, versions, etc. would show a weakness and lack of unity in strategy and tactics. This "divide and conquer" mentality has worked in the favor of the anti-Second Amendment crowd for far too long.

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Hopefully, these answers will help you better understand about NRA's effort to Repeal AB962.

Paul

timtritt
01-10-2010, 5:43 PM
http://www.calnra.com/cgi-bin/petition.cgi

bigcalidave
01-10-2010, 5:45 PM
Yes, please do !
Welcome to calguns, thanks for the post?

DedEye
01-10-2010, 5:52 PM
Thank you for joining us. This has been addressed (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=252143) before (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=241531) (and several additional times besides that. Welcome to the fight.

kermit
01-10-2010, 5:52 PM
Done!

SkatinJJ
01-10-2010, 6:15 PM
I'm in for 7324....Done!!!

JJ

wildhawker
01-10-2010, 6:31 PM
This should be merged w Mike H/HPP's existing thread on same.

ChrisTKHarris
01-10-2010, 6:32 PM
#7,330

My375hp302
01-10-2010, 6:39 PM
7331

DedEye
01-10-2010, 6:41 PM
This should be merged w Mike H/HPP's existing thread on same.

If only someone had the administrative powers to make such a merge ;).

EBR Works
01-10-2010, 7:33 PM
7345

SKSer
01-10-2010, 7:43 PM
signed (of course)

randver
01-10-2010, 7:45 PM
7,347.

CpuFixrMan
01-10-2010, 8:06 PM
Since 15-Oct-2009, you are petitioner 7,349

rromeo
01-10-2010, 8:07 PM
Signed. I didn't notice my number.

JDay
01-10-2010, 8:09 PM
Internet petitions have never accomplished anything. The only way to repeal AB962 is through the courts or to get a bill on the ballet to repeal it.

Syntax Error
01-10-2010, 8:12 PM
7,350.

I don't particularly believe in the effectiveness of internet petitions, but it makes me feel slightly better. :p

bodger
01-10-2010, 8:20 PM
I'm still waiting for Arnold's office to give up how many calls and faxes and e-mails he received urging him to veto AB962.

Did we get stonewalled on that request for good?

sreiter
01-10-2010, 8:29 PM
Since 15-Oct-2009, you are petitioner 7,356.

Capt. Speirs
01-10-2010, 8:52 PM
Done!

War Machine
01-10-2010, 9:13 PM
done #7368

klmmicro
01-10-2010, 9:50 PM
Put in my say, though I sent letters and called before it was passed in the first place. I do not think they are listening up there in Sacramento. Still think the best thing to do is create a part time legislature so that they have less time to do damage. Number 7,378.

383green
01-10-2010, 10:09 PM
Still think the best thing to do is create a part time legislature so that they have less time to do damage

Personally, I think the best thing to do would be to put all of the legislators on the B-Ark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_Ark#Golgafrincham). :whistling:

It looks like I've already signed the petition, so I regret that I don't have a nice number to post here.

AndrewMendez
01-10-2010, 10:28 PM
You seemed to have already signed the petition.
I still felt better

Agro
01-10-2010, 11:28 PM
Put in my say, though I sent letters and called before it was passed in the first place. I do not think they are listening up there in Sacramento. Still think the best thing to do is create a part time legislature so that they have less time to do damage. Number 7,378.

I'm glad that someone else thinks the same way. If you have full time legislation, they will have nothing else to do but create additional unnecessary laws.

Josh3239
01-10-2010, 11:33 PM
7393

VW*Mike
01-11-2010, 12:04 AM
7395

gravedigger
01-11-2010, 1:44 AM
Signed, although I don't think ANYTHING comes out of Internet petitions.

liketoshoot
01-11-2010, 6:45 AM
7404 here.
also putting this on an other site.

tacticalcity
01-11-2010, 6:49 AM
petitioner 7,405

Mr.Pickles
01-11-2010, 8:25 AM
Since 15-Oct-2009, you are petitioner 7,414.

gravedigger
01-11-2010, 11:12 AM
and THIS is why I am reluctant to sign these things.

I'm sorry, but NOWHERE in that "petition" did they make ANY MENTION of my "signing up" with anything, yet this morning, I receive this email:

This is an automated response from the NRA Members' Councils of California Volunteer Signup System. Please do not reply to this email. Instead, address all comments to admin@nramemberscouncils.com.

Thank you for signing up with the NRA Members' Councils of California. Based on the information you provided, your local MC is the:
NRA Members' Council of Greater San Diego

This MC holds monthly meetings at 7:00 PM on the 2nd Wednesday of the month at:
MULVANEY'S WAGON WHEEL RESTAURANT, 8861 N. Magnolia Ave., Santee, CA.


The NRA Members' Council of Greater San Diego is sponsoring a Women on Target Clinic for women on April 5, 2009, July 12, 2009, and October 11, 2009 at the Lemon Grove Rod and Gun Club Shooting Range, 16232 Sequan Truck Trail, Alpine CA. Participants will shoot .22 Caliber pistols and rifles and 20 Ga. Shotguns at clay pigeons The cost is $25.00 per participant. This fee includes the use of firearms, ammunition, eye and hearing protection and safety instruction. New women shooters are encouraged to participate and see how much fun and empowerment is gained by participating in this event. Call 760-789-5332 for further information. We are also recruiting women coaches/mentors for this event. The goal is to have one woman coach for each participant. Share your knowledge and gain a friend.

For more information, this MC can be reached at:
16223 Oak Springs Drive
Ramona, CA 92065-4220

dexterhaight@cox.net
http://www.nramemberscouncils.com/sandiego/
760-789-5332 (voice)
760-789-5637 (fax)

Additional information may be available at:
http://nramemberscouncils.com/cgi-bin/haasmcshowwebpage.cgi?mc=sandiego

Now, I KNOW this is a good group of people, and I KNOW they have my interests at heart, but the deception of asking someone to sign a petition, while not telling them, "Oh, by the way, what you are REALLY doing is signing up for our group ..."

I hate to say it, but this sort of bait-and-switch thing is something I would expect from a LIBERAL.

If you want me to sign up for a group, or a cause, or a donation, TELL ME about it right up front. This email doesn't even suggest that anything will be done with the signatures they've collected. It only thanks you for JOINING.

I'm not saying I don't want to be a part of it. I'm not saying I don't support it. I'm only saying, I didn't "sign up" for it.

Shame on the person(s) who collected some 8,000 names under false pretenses. Back in the day, a person who found himself in this situation would have concluded that he had been shanghai'd!

1. (http://shanghaid.urbanup.com/2808186) shanghai'd

Frequently referring to abduction or misdirection into servitude, generally against ones will.

383green
01-11-2010, 11:16 AM
I'm sorry, but NOWHERE in that "petition" did they make ANY MENTION of my "signing up" with anything, yet this morning, I receive this email:

There were two check boxes (checked by default, IIRC) on the petition form for subscribing to the mailing lists that you've now found yourself on.

Edited to add:

http://www.nf6x.net/tmp/petition.png

H Paul Payne
01-11-2010, 11:37 AM
and THIS is why I am reluctant to sign these things.

I'm sorry, but NOWHERE in that "petition" did they make ANY MENTION of my "signing up" with anything, yet this morning, I receive this email:

<<< SNIP >>>


Now, I KNOW this is a good group of people, and I KNOW they have my interests at heart, but the deception of asking someone to sign a petition, while not telling them, "Oh, by the way, what you are REALLY doing is signing up for our group ..."

I hate to say it, but this sort of bait-and-switch thing is something I would expect from a LIBERAL.

If you want me to sign up for a group, or a cause, or a donation, TELL ME about it right up front. This email doesn't even suggest that anything will be done with the signatures they've collected. It only thanks you for JOINING.

I'm not saying I don't want to be a part of it. I'm not saying I don't support it. I'm only saying, I didn't "sign up" for it.

Shame on the person(s) who collected some 8,000 names under false pretenses. Back in the day, a person who found himself in this situation would have concluded that he had been shanghai'd!

1. (http://shanghaid.urbanup.com/2808186) shanghaid

(http://www.urbandictionary.com/products.php?defid=2808186)
Frequently referring to abduction or misdirection into servitude, generally against ones will.

Actually, it does say that and in very plain text (http://www.calnra.com/petition/privacy.shtml). I know, because I am the person who wrote it. PLEASE READ ON AS I INCLUDE THE ENTIRE TEXT:

==================

NRA Members' Councils
of California
Privacy Policy http://www.nramemberscouncils.com/skin/mclogoclr2.gif This Privacy Policy covers all information gathered, stored, or acquired by any manner from the web page at the "SUPPORT AB373 / REPEAL AB962" online petition (http://www.calnra.com/petition/) or equivalent PDF document (http://www.calnra.com/doc/supportab373.pdf). All information gathered by NRAMembersCouncils.com will be treated in the same manner as all NRA membership data -- Highly Confidential. Under no circumstances will this data be sold, lent, used, traded, bartered, or in any other way transferred for cost or no-cost.
This data will be used to print-out letters so they may be submitted to the legislature in support of Assembly Bill 373. These letters will have the names and other data that was entered on the on-line form. The text of the letters is the same as the text of the on-line form.
If, at the time the "Submit Information" button is clicked on the on-line form, the box next to "Add me to the CAL-ERTs Alert System" is checked, that person will be subscribed to the NRA's California-Alert System (CAL-ERTs). Even if this option is selected, CAL-ERTs will only be received if the recipient also clicks on an "activation" link (also called a URL or web address) then sent to the email address submitted on the on-line form. (Once activated, the same link may then be used turn CAL-ERT reception on and off.)
If, at the time the "Submit Information" button is clicked on the on-line form, the box next to "Send me info about my local NRA Members' Council" is checked, that person will receive an email containing information about the NRA Members' Council in their area. The local NRA Members' Council will also receive your information so that they may contact you regarding upcoming NRA events in your area.
==================

You signed the on-line version of the "Letter of Support" for NRA's effort to repeal AB962 and I sincerely thank you for helping us out.

When you did it, one or more "option in" boxes were checked. The EXACT nature was SPECIFICALLY explained (see above). But apparently you did not read the "Privacy Policy" that would inform you of the details. But that's okay. Your privacy is still protected and you will not be solicited to buy anything or sent extra mail or anything like that.

If you chose to become active with your local NRA Members' Council, GREAT. They are a fantastic group of dedicated activists and I'm sure you will feel welcomed. If not, that's your choice. The same goes for the subscription to the California-Alert System (CAL-ERTs) (http://e-govmail.com/cgi-bin/subscribe.cgi?to=nramemberscouncils.com). As you can see, for your subscription to be activated, you must click on an "activation link" sent to you via email.

So, after reading all of this, I think we can plainly see:


It was mentioned
It was NOT "Bait & Switch" nor was it "LIBERAL" (or conservative, or moderate, etc. )
You DID sign-up for it
NOTHING was done under "false pretenses"
Nobody was "shanghaid"

With all of this being said: If you have any problems. Or you think your personal information might have been misused in any way, please immediately call me at the number listed below so that I may take action regarding your concerns.

Paul

liketoshoot
01-11-2010, 11:44 AM
I read everything before I sign/send and unchecked those, (I already get emails from the NRA).

galekowitz
01-11-2010, 2:06 PM
7454. I signed up for the emails. It gives me something to read at work. :gene:

SIGscout
01-11-2010, 2:19 PM
Since 15-Oct-2009, you are petitioner 7,455.

Thanks for SIGNING THE REPEAL AB 962 petition, Michael!

here we come!!

obeygiant
01-11-2010, 2:40 PM
gravedigger?........:gene:

keneva
01-11-2010, 2:48 PM
I signed.

Public Saftey Committee to vote on AB 357 Tomorrow, January 12, 2010
1200 "N" Street, Rm 126
Sacramento, CA.

Meeting is from 9am to 4pm

Lateralus
01-11-2010, 2:49 PM
7,548

galekowitz
01-11-2010, 2:54 PM
gravedigger?........:gene:

Worse..water/wastewater operator.:puke:

Corbin Dallas
01-11-2010, 3:13 PM
Signed and sent.

obeygiant
01-11-2010, 8:56 PM
Worse..water/wastewater operator.:puke:

sorry, i was addressing his rant about having received an email from CALNRA even though it clearly shows the option to opt out and him not providing a response after that was shown.