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cdtx2001
11-16-2009, 5:21 PM
Anyone know about this SB-2099?? I got an email from a friend and it sounds a lot like HR45. Is this FUD or is it something that we need to be concerned with?

I would think that it would unfairly target people that actually register their guns. Also, in some states you are not required to register a gun if you purchase it at a gun show.

I realize that some of it makes it seem as if the sky is falling.

Any info would be appreciated.

Here's the email I got:


More Freedom taken away and adding a NEW TAX….

Gun owners... look what's on the 2010 tax return

VERIFIED – TRUE by snopes.com

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/blairholt.asp

As if we didn't have enough to get upset about! If you have a gun, I hope it isn't registered!


It begins... more Freedom gone... the right to protect yourself and your family gone! Now ALL GUNS must be listed on your next (2010) tax return!


Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2009 1040 federal tax form all guns that you have or own.
It will require fingerprints and a tax of $50 per gun.
This bill was introduced on February 24, 2009, by the Obama staff. BUT, this bill will only become public knowledge 30 days after the new law becomes effective! This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance Committee has passed this without the Senate voting on it at all. Trust Obama? You must be kidding!

The full text of the IRS amendment is on the U.S. Senate homepage: www.senate.gov. You can find the bill by doing a search by the bill number, SB-2099. You know who to call; I strongly suggest you do. Please send a copy of this e-mail to every gun owner you know.


Text of H.R.45 as Introduced in House: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009: www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text
Obama's Congress is now starting on the firearms confiscation bill. If it passes, gun owners will become criminals if you don't fully comply.
It has begun... Whatever Obama's "Secret Master Plan" is... this is just the 'tip of the iceberg!'
Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into the House. This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009.
Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because the government is trying to fly it under the radar as a 'minor' IRS revision, and, as usual, the 'political' lawmakers did not read this bill before signing and approving it!
To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Goggle HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information.
Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless: 1) It is registered 2) You are fingerprinted 3) You supply a current Driver's License 4) You supply your Social Security number 5) You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing
Each update change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25. Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.
There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18. They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 years in prison.
If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of many options to read this. It is long and lengthy. But, more and more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the word along. Any hunters in your family pass this along.
This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip away a little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone realizes it.
This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not..

<Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress) <http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45> :
<H.R.45: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress <http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show>
< H.R. 45: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 (GovTrack.us) <http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45>
Please.. copy and send this out to EVERYONE in the USA , whether you support the Right to Bear Arms or are for gun control. We all should have the right to choose.

SkatinJJ
11-16-2009, 5:23 PM
NRA-ILA includes this each time now to debunk a year 2000 bill that had some of those features.

It's not real.

Good news, relax; enjoy a cohiba.

Semper FI!!!

JJ

CABilly
11-16-2009, 5:24 PM
Check out this link:

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=5098

seanbo
11-16-2009, 5:26 PM
take em out our cold dead hands

SkatinJJ
11-16-2009, 5:27 PM
Check out this link:

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=5098

Thanks,

I have cat in my lap, so I can't find links too easily...:o

Semper FI!!!

JJ

cdtx2001
11-16-2009, 5:36 PM
NRA-ILA includes this each time now to debunk a year 2000 bill that had some of those features.

It's not real.

Good news, relax; enjoy a cohiba.

Semper FI!!!

JJ

Thanks, my BS meter was starting to peg when I read it, I just wanted to be sure.

BTW, a CAO Anniversario Churchill and scotch are my favorite over a Cohiba.

thempopresense
11-16-2009, 6:11 PM
I did a little searching around on this. Found this intersting.

Not sure how legit this sight is, but it ends in .gov
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.html

In the serach box type hr45 and then select bill number, the click search. Hasn't moved since Feb 09, but it is there.

wilit
11-16-2009, 6:46 PM
Thanks, my BS meter was starting to peg when I read it, I just wanted to be sure.


Just typing in SB-2009 in the search feature brought up these threads.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=218970
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=202588
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=185774
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=225541
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=224471
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=221686
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=223522
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=218319
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=208255
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=208251

There's actually a lot more SB-2099 threads, but I got tired of copy and pasting. :rolleyes:

H Paul Payne
11-16-2009, 9:30 PM
I realize that some of it makes it seem as if the sky is falling.

Any info would be appreciated.


Here is some information regarding this latest Internet scare:

SUBJECT: SB-2099

SOURCE: http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/SB2099.shtml

QUESTION: Is it true that . . . Senate Bill SB-2099 will require owners of firearms to pay a $50 charge per gun and list each gun on their federal tax form?

ANSWER: The answer is no. This Internet rumor states that SB-2099 is legislation currently being considered by the Senate. The bill supposedly requires owners of firearms to list on their 1040 tax return all guns they own and then pay a $50 charge per firearm. There is no such legislation by this name in the 111th Congress.

The facts:

The last bill given the number S. 2099 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c105:s2099:) was in the 105th Congress. This bill dealt with federal sentencing guidelines for counterfeiting offenses.
Legislation that the Senate is currently working on will be listed on the Active Legislation (http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/b_three_sections_with_teasers/active_leg_page.htm) page or can be searched for on Thomas (http://thomas.loc.gov/). For more information about the legislative process or finding bills, please see the Legislation VRD page (http://www.senate.gov/reference/reference_index_subjects/Legislation_and_the_Legislative_Process_vrd.htm).


FOR MORE INFORMATION: http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=5098

Quser.619
11-16-2009, 10:14 PM
Dang, I almost picked up my girlfriend's laptop & chucked it. Though honestly would anyone be surprised if this was the case? Nope didn't think so

cdtx2001
11-17-2009, 5:22 AM
Since SB2099 is all FUD and BS, the questions I have now are: why and who is trying to spread fear about it?

jdberger
11-17-2009, 6:57 AM
Since SB2099 is all FUD and BS, the questions I have now are: why and who is trying to spread fear about it?

There you go - so far it's been a couple of groups. Gun Owners of America and Gun Owners of California could be a couple. They claim to be "no compromise" organizations (though it's easy to say you don't compromise if the other side won't even take a meeting with you).

There was another similar NRA bashing organization that looked like it was run by two frat brothers in Colorado. It looked like their sole reason for existance was to drum up donations for beer money. :rolleyes:

popeye4
11-17-2009, 7:03 AM
There was another similar NRA bashing organization that looked like it was run by two frat brothers in Colorado. It looked like their sole reason for existance was to drum up donations for beer money. :rolleyes:

Well, now THAT sounds like about the only good reason to set up an NRA bashing organization!

motorhead
11-17-2009, 9:34 AM
like zombies, fud is difficult to kill. i've been getting this one from "well meaning" friends. i send them the snopes link for it and tell them they can rest easy. i'm waiting for hr45 or ammo accoutability to reanimate now. i think the responsible party is named west, dr. herbert west.

M1A Rifleman
11-17-2009, 10:45 AM
Read the fine print. It says you need to turn you guns in a month after you register them with your tax forms.









:rolleyes: sorry I couldn't help myself after reading this SB 2099 post again.