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Ding126
11-13-2009, 4:52 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/12/AR2009111211331.html?wprss=rss_world/northamerica

Task force seeks ban on assault weapons
Group also wants overhaul of Mexican border agencies

By Spencer S. Hsu
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, November 13, 2009

A binational task force on U.S.-Mexico border issues will call Friday on the Obama administration and Congress to reinstate an expired ban on assault weapons and for Mexico to overhaul its frontier police and customs agencies to mirror the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

The recommendations are among a broad set of security, trade, development and environmental proposals that come as President Obama and his Mexicans counterpart, Felipe Calderón, move to deepen engagement on issues including economic recovery, climate change, illegal immigration and narcotics trafficking.

Robert C. Bonner, the U.S. co-chairman of the private task force, which included several former senior government officials from both countries, said the changes could be included in a follow-up to the Merida initiative, a $1.4 billion three-year commitment of U.S. aid to support Mexico's crackdown on drug cartels that ends next year.

The proposals "will transform management of the border from a source of contention and frustration into a model of cooperation," states a report by the Los Angeles-based Pacific Council on International Policy and the Mexican Council on Foreign Relations titled, "Rethinking the U.S.-Mexico Border." The 30-member task force blamed lack of collaboration for violence, billions of dollars in lost economic opportunities and a public perception of a "broken" system.


The study comes as Mexico's struggle to combat narco-traffickers and public corruption from the multibillion-dollar North American drug trade has forged a tighter relationship between the neighbors. In reaction, policy analysts and think tanks, most recently the School of the Northern Border in Mexico and the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, have developed border development proposals.

Skeptics say U.S. attention to its troubled partner is outpaced by what it spends to combat drugs in places such as Colombia or Afghanistan, while the southbound flow of weapons into Mexico -- where private gun ownership is illegal -- has been a flashpoint as Mexico's death toll from drug-related violence has topped 15,000.

In Mexico City in April, Obama pledged to push the Senate to ratify an inter-American arms-trafficking treaty but backed away from a campaign promise to reinstate a ban on assault weapons that Congress let expire in 2004. Obama said that it would be too difficult politically to enact new gun legislation soon and that enforcing existing measures would have a more immediate effect.

Mexican officials want a ban, saying that 90 percent of guns seized in drug crimes in Mexico and submitted for tracing to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives originate in the United States, including most assault rifles.

Bonner, who led U.S. drug enforcement and customs agencies under Republican administrations from 1990 to 1993 and from 2002 to 2005, said the task force sought to identify bold steps for each side. Bonner took over the panel from Alan D. Bersin, whom Obama has nominated to lead U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

Task force co-chairman Andres Rozental, former deputy foreign minister of Mexico, said Mexico should realign and strengthen 16 agencies that share border responsibilities to combat corruption and improve coordination with the DHS, as Canada did after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Mexico has taken some steps, including hiring 1,400 new customs agents.

Mexico is the third-largest U.S. trading partner and the No. 2 destination for U.S. exports, he noted. The panel recommended adding private border crossings that collect tolls and prioritizing jointly planned improvements based on economic benefit.

If the United States legalizes most of its illegal immigrants and allows for a flexible flow of legal workers, Mexico should stop illegal immigration from its side of the border, the panel said.

Dark Paladin
11-13-2009, 5:02 PM
The panel recommended adding private border crossings that collect tolls and prioritizing jointly planned improvements based on economic benefit.

If the United States legalizes most of its illegal immigrants and allows for a flexible flow of legal workers, Mexico should stop illegal immigration from its side of the border, the panel said.

Do they even read the stuff they are proposing?

Like adding private border crossings is REALLY going to cut down on smuggling. . . oh yeah. . . I can see that being SOOOO effective. . . :TFH:

And the legalization of illegal immigrants is just a giant slap in the face for those of us who slogged through the process legally. :mad:

Ford8N
11-13-2009, 5:35 PM
Prohibition never works.

Gp100
11-13-2009, 5:47 PM
Buy all you can now, Bush even said he would reinstate the AW ban.

RobG
11-13-2009, 5:56 PM
"Hello, America. This is Mexico. You need to fix our jacked up country. Thanks"

"Hola, América. Esto es México. Es necesario fijar nuestra jacked país. Gracias"

B Strong
11-13-2009, 6:23 PM
We should match Mexican governments efforts...

Since they do nothing but collect bribes from the narco gangs, they can go make in their sombreros

dirtnap
11-13-2009, 6:25 PM
The source of the problem for both sides is a weak border. If "most of the illegal guns come from here", and most of the illegal immigrants come from there, lets seal the border. Done and done...but that would be too easy.:rolleyes::mad:

Chief-7700
11-13-2009, 6:31 PM
Kinda sounds like Mexico will not take care of its own internal problems...
Blame the USA on everything and Obozzo will take care of it.... I am not buying this crap!

RRangel
11-13-2009, 6:51 PM
The source of the problem is the morons who make up such groups as the "binational task force" whatever that is. That includes all anti-gun Marxist inspired idiots who think their disastrous polices are an improvement.

The reason the situation is screwed up is because things have gone in their direction to begin with. In Obama and friend's world, high unemployment, anti-business policies, dependent and disarmed citizens are a feature, not a bug.

Vinz
11-13-2009, 7:03 PM
This is just Obama's stimulass program part dos'. LOL His first part worked great.

We help everyone, why not throw some attention towards Mexico.
vinz

Liberty1
11-14-2009, 2:35 AM
The source of the problem for both sides is a weak border. If "most of the illegal guns come from here", and most of the illegal immigrants come from there, lets seal the border. Done and done...but that would be too easy.:rolleyes::mad:

The source of the problem is drug prohibition, social welfare subsidies for all and a government immigration system that doesn't meet private business labor needs.

No prohibition; no trafficing and no 1920's style mobs fighting over territory (which got us our first fed. gun law in 1934 - hey thanks alcohol prohibition).

No welfare; people have to live off of what they earn and pay for their health care, schooling, transportation etc... If they can't afford it they won't come or they'll take that job they wouldn't do before.

So, if there are jobs available/unfilled by American's kicked off of welfare, visas should be issued to those who will work without delay or artificial quotas.

Liberty1
11-14-2009, 2:43 AM
Obama said that it would be too difficult politically to enact new gun legislation soon and that enforcing existing measures would have a more immediate effect.

This says it all. So no need for hand wringing or panic buying.

tktech
11-14-2009, 6:07 AM
The source of the problem is drug prohibition, social welfare subsidies for all and a government immigration system that doesn't meet private business labor needs.

No prohibition; no trafficing and no 1920's style mobs fighting over territory (which got us our first fed. gun law in 1934 - hey thanks alcohol prohibition).

No welfare; people have to live off of what they earn and pay for their health care, schooling, transportation etc... If they can't afford it they won't come or they'll take that job they wouldn't do before.

So, if there are jobs available/unfilled by American's kicked off of welfare, visas should be issued to those who will work without delay or artificial quotas.

AMEN. This is the kind of mentality we need in our politicians.

yellowfin
11-14-2009, 6:25 AM
It's so predictable. Any time a government has a useless and unachievable idea, they make a task force.

Eckolaker
11-14-2009, 7:39 AM
You will get your North American Union whether you want it or not.

taloft
11-14-2009, 8:00 AM
Mexican officials want a ban, saying that 90 percent of guns seized in drug crimes in Mexico and submitted for tracing to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives originate in the United States, including most assault rifles.Of course, why would you knowingly submit a firearm for tracing to a country that didn't make it? This is FUD on toast.

Also, this is a private task force consisting of former senior Government officials. You take their recomendations and tie them into something the goverment actually said in the story. This is what private entities do when they want to lend an air of legitimacy to their BS. Makes you wonder who actually put this task force together and for what purpose? Paging Mr. Soros.:p Why are we listening to the policy recommendations of people we didn't elect? It isn't even the Government saying this. Obama knows what will happen if he tries to go down that road again.

7x57
11-14-2009, 8:11 AM
Mexican officials want a ban, saying that 90 percent of guns seized in drug crimes in Mexico and submitted for tracing to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives originate in the United States, including most assault rifles.


It's a bit surprising that the 90% figure resurfaces, since it was so thoroughly discredited that even the Kamikaze media seemed to move away from quoting it. But only a bit, I suppose.

Still a trial balloon, folks. If anything, the anti-gunners are much weaker than they were when Eric Holder (I think it was) floated the first trial balloon. They passed their dream power grab by the narrowest of razor-thin margins in the house, at the cost of a possible revolt within the party, and probably do not have the votes in the Senate at this time with very uncertain prospects of getting them. They absolutely cannot take on another major war that was too hot to tackle when Obama still appeared to have some coattails.

Next term the Blue Dogs will be totally focused on their dimming reelection prospects, and the one after that there will be a lot more Republicans and it now appears more conservative ones.

I simply don't see where there is a route for this to be more than a test balloon and a little more push for the 90% FUD that we're going to hear off and on for a while.

7x57

vantec08
11-14-2009, 8:11 AM
mexico is already a country with stiff gun control - - - - how bout . .. it DOESNT WORK? few years ago, I was standing on a street corner in TJ waiting for the light to change. Some hustler in front of a shop was hustling me to get married, get a divorce, get a ho, blahblah. Two young black dudes said "hey man, we want some guns." He said "joo wan guns? you come with me." I waited 3 light changes and the dudes left the shop wearing bigggg smiles.

MudCamper
11-14-2009, 9:28 AM
The federal assault weapons ban will NEVER fly in the post-Heller US. Relax.

Maestro Pistolero
11-14-2009, 9:44 AM
Even if the cartels stopped getting their military hardware from corrupt military and police, the ensuing flow of FA/AK's from the 3rd world would embarrass even Hugo Chavez. It has so little to do with arms from America, and everything to do with gun control, cartels, and corruption above and below the border.

vantec08
11-14-2009, 9:47 AM
LOL maestro, how true. The south american amories are cranked up for "gun control."

Kid Stanislaus
11-14-2009, 9:52 AM
My guess is it'll get NOWHERE. The Democraps are scared silly over any gun control measures after the drubbing they got the last time they did it. The 2010 elections are here in 12 months and they're gonna lose seats no matter what happens and the last thing they want to do is set themselves up for a complete route.

sspen003
11-14-2009, 9:53 AM
Not a big fan of anything Russian besides some of their women and AK-47s but we need to build a damn wall with motion detectors and watch towers filled with CalGuns members.

BigDogatPlay
11-14-2009, 10:00 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/12/AR2009111211331.html?wprss=rss_world/northamerica

Skeptics say U.S. attention to its troubled partner is outpaced by what it spends to combat drugs in places such as Colombia or Afghanistan, while the southbound flow of weapons into Mexico -- where private gun ownership is illegal -- has been a flashpoint as Mexico's death toll from drug-related violence has topped 15,000.

Private ownership ownership of guns is illegal in Mexico. The results are what these progressive NGO goobers are railing against. So how is making private ownership of those firearms here going to solve the problem, exactly?

Are criminals going to just throw up their hands in disgust and start obeying the law?

Obama said that it would be too difficult politically to enact new gun legislation soon and that enforcing existing measures would have a more immediate effect.

Translation... the progressive agenda on health care and government take over of large sections of the economy already has a lot of moderate Democrats on the hot seat with their constituents. Trying to force through any kind of ban at this point would sweep Republicans back into power next year with majorities in both houses. 1994, anyone?

Mexican officials want a ban, saying that 90 percent of guns seized in drug crimes in Mexico and submitted for tracing to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives originate in the United States, including most assault rifles.

And that figure was discredited as a sham number months ago when Attorney General Holder first started running his mouth about a new ban.

The panel recommended adding private border crossings that collect tolls and prioritizing jointly planned improvements based on economic benefit.

Oh, what a wonderful idea.... government sanctioned corruption opportunities running in the open.

If the United States legalizes most of its illegal immigrants and allows for a flexible flow of legal workers, Mexico should stop illegal immigration from its side of the border, the panel said.

Note... Mexico should stop illegal immigration. Do these NGO a-holes honestly expect that to happen? The elitist ruling class in Mexico has nothing but upside in exporting their peasant class here now. That peasant class that sends hard currency back to their families in Mexico. What makes anyone think that having a "flexible" (geez I hate that word in that usage) immigration policy is going to decrease that upside?

Here's the solution.... close the border. Tight. Any druggies, paramilitaries or Mexican soldiers (rogue or otherwise) that approach the border under arms must be repelled... forcibly if necessary.

The invasion has to end.

Southwest Chuck
11-14-2009, 11:34 AM
Note... Mexico should stop illegal immigration. Do these NGO a-holes honestly expect that to happen? The elitist ruling class in Mexico has nothing but upside in exporting their peasant class here now. That peasant class that sends hard currency back to their families in Mexico. What makes anyone think that having a "flexible" (geez I hate that word in that usage) immigration policy is going to decrease that upside?

Here's the solution.... close the border. Tight. Any druggies, paramilitaries or Mexican soldiers (rogue or otherwise) that approach the border under arms must be repelled... forcibly if necessary.

The invasion has to end.

The problem's been solved, haven't you heard? :p
From today's O.C. Register Newspaper:
http://totalbuzz.freedomblogging.com/2009/11/13/dhs-chief-border-more-secure-so-time-for-immigration-reform/25235/

DHS chief: Time for immigration reform
November 13th, 2009, 10:16 am · 83 Comments · posted by Dena Bunis, Washington Bureau Chief
DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano speaking today


Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said today that great strides have been made in border enforcement and so the time is now for comprehensive immigration reform.

In her first major speech on the subject since she left the Arizona governorship to become President Barack Obama’s DHS chief, Napolitano said a combination of better enforcement and tough economic times has led to fewer illegal immigrants’ crossing the nation’s borders.

“I know a major shift when I see one, and what I have seen makes reform far more attainable this time around,” Napolitano said in a speech before the Center for American Progress, a Washington, D.C., think tank headed by former President Clinton Chief of Staff John Podesta. Click here to read her speech.

See link for more....

Aegis
11-14-2009, 3:05 PM
I doubt this goes anywhere. This administration is losing the debate on health care, the official unemployment rate is 10.2% (real rate closer to 20%) and cannot get the economy turned around as well as a host of other issues. The congressional and senate Republicans would not support this and the Democrats are smart enough to realize they will have enough trouble running for re-election in 2010, let alone upset law abiding gun owners.

problemchild
11-14-2009, 3:33 PM
Its not 90% its 4% and if that 4% is a problem CLOSE THE BORDER!!!!!!!!!!!!

problemchild
11-14-2009, 3:34 PM
I doubt this goes anywhere. This administration is losing the debate on health care, the official unemployment rate is 10.2% (real rate closer to 20%) and cannot get the economy turned around as well as a host of other issues. The congressional and senate Republicans would not support this and the Democrats are smart enough to realize they will have enough trouble running for re-election in 2010, let alone upset law abiding gun owners.

24% of Americans and another 50% of illegals.

tankerman
11-14-2009, 4:44 PM
This is just an excuse to reinstate the ban, will attempt to portray it not as ban against US citizens, but as Americas helpful defense of Mexico.

Perhaps if the Mexican people were really interested in stopping the drug cartels and associated violence they should take a serious stance against corruption first.

More guns, not less guns may be a better solution, Mexico NEEDS a revolution.

bwiese
11-14-2009, 5:10 PM
My guess is it'll get NOWHERE. The Democraps are scared silly over any gun control measures after the drubbing they got the last time they did it. The 2010 elections are here in 12 months and they're gonna lose seats no matter what happens and the last thing they want to do is set themselves up for a complete route.

Correct.

Watchfulness is the word, but we Californians need to focus our worries on CA.

Things are pretty good on a Federal basis.

Ford8N
11-14-2009, 5:12 PM
When the Republicans were in charge of both houses and the White House I didn't see any movement to get rid of the 1934, 1968 gun control laws. To h*ll with both parties. I could care less who they are, if they share my views, they have my vote.

blerg
11-14-2009, 5:25 PM
And the legalization of illegal immigrants is just a giant slap in the face for those of us who slogged through the process legally. :mad:
An paid taxes for many years still waiting for a green card.
There is more lobby for illegal immigrant who do not pay taxes than for legal immigrants that are hand-picked around the globe.

MP301
11-15-2009, 1:48 AM
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Mexican officials want a ban, saying that 90 percent of guns seized in drug crimes in Mexico and submitted for tracing to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives originate in the United States, including most assault rifles.

This just means that of the guns they submitted for testing, not the total number of guns seized...its a slimy trick of words. I read that they only submitted a small number for testing.....and I would guess that they only submitted the ones they were already sure came from the US.

Another thing that most dont realize is that even if a gun was manufactured in the US, doesnt mean it came from the US. In other words, our government sells guns to other governments, who turn around and sell them to mexico after a hefty mark-up.

This isnt rocket science...

AndrewMendez
11-15-2009, 2:22 AM
The federal assault weapons ban will NEVER fly in the post-Heller US. Relax.

I dont think they will have to get to Heller, giving the fact that the AWB was completely ineffective!

Maestro Pistolero
11-15-2009, 2:31 AM
When, according to a recent state court of appeals ruling, Ohio towns can ban so-called assault weapons despite state pre-emption, I think we had better keep our guard up for a little while longer.

k1dude
11-15-2009, 8:42 AM
Opening the borders would solve all our problems? Gallup International just did a worldwide desired migration study that showed if the US opened our borders the population would swell from 300 million to 450 million (mostly from Mexico). The net effect on our economy would be permanent and catastrophic.

Ford8N
11-15-2009, 2:32 PM
Opening the borders would solve all our problems? Gallup International just did a worldwide desired migration study that showed if the US opened our borders the population would swell from 300 million to 450 million (mostly from Mexico). The net effect on our economy would be permanent and catastrophic.

Not according to the Mexicans who would get our Social Security and Welfare.

Kid Stanislaus
11-15-2009, 5:46 PM
I dont think they will have to get to Heller, giving the fact that the AWB was completely ineffective!

C'mon, we know these people. That won't make them pause for a moment. I think political reality is what'll make'm back off.

Kid Stanislaus
11-15-2009, 5:48 PM
Not according to the Mexicans who would get our Social Security and Welfare.

And its the working middle class that'd pay the bill!

The Director
11-15-2009, 6:36 PM
An paid taxes for many years still waiting for a green card.


Ten long years in my case......