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C123K_LoadMaster
04-23-2005, 2:16 PM
Has anyone come up with a good method to mount optics on the Robinson M96 Bren configuration?

http://www.fototime.com/AC8D2CA36C123B5/orig.jpg

C123K_LoadMaster
04-23-2005, 2:16 PM
Has anyone come up with a good method to mount optics on the Robinson M96 Bren configuration?

http://www.fototime.com/AC8D2CA36C123B5/orig.jpg

RRangel
04-23-2005, 6:08 PM
That's one wacky looking rifle. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

If that's yours I'm assuming you're not living in California or that's a permanently fixed magazine.

That's a tough question. Robinson would better be able to answer that.

1919_4_ME
04-23-2005, 6:33 PM
The Bren configuration was never really designed for optics.It wouldnt look right either IMO. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

C123K_LoadMaster
04-23-2005, 6:36 PM
I see you are not familiar with older military weapons or you would know about the Bren gun. The neat thing about the Robinson M96 is it can be reconfigured into different weapons. I have the following configurations:

• Rifle Configuration with 21" Barrel.
• Recon Carbine.
• Bren Gun (Top Feed).
• Heavy Fluted Carbine.

Unfortunately they never produced the belt fed version.

BTW, I do live in California and my Robinsons were registered as AW's in 2000. Here are some pics of my M96's in other configurations.

http://www.fototime.com/5888940CAB0352A/orig.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/CCB2DF76256ADAE/standard.jpg

C123K_LoadMaster
04-23-2005, 6:44 PM
Unfortunately us old guys need a little assistance in the eye department. I would really like to mount an offset red dot sight.

RRangel
04-23-2005, 6:47 PM
Very nice rifles. I only wish I had bought one before 2000. They remind me of a Stoner.

C123K_LoadMaster
04-23-2005, 7:49 PM
The M96 is based on the Stoner system. The following is from Robinson's web site:

The M96 is based on the Stoner 63 Weapon System designed by Eugene Stoner and used by the U.S Navy Seals in Vietnam.* The Stoner 63's receiver, using a variety of modular components, could be configured as a rifle, carbine, a top fed light machine gun, a belt fed squad automatic weapon, or a vehicle mounted weapon.* The M96 has been designed with similar modularity in mind but has been simplified for easier maintenance.

50 Freak
04-24-2005, 1:06 AM
I recently had a chance to shoot a M96 (finally). Was impressed with it cosmetically and fit and finish wise. Can't say about the handling (as the guy who had it, had the pistol grip off). Accuracy with iron sights it was similar to my Para Fal.

But weight wise, it was a little heavier than my FAL, and it was 223, whereas my FAL was 308.

If I didn't have my AR or FAL grandfathered in, I would would buy the M96 in a heartbeat. A removable 30 rounder is a head better than a fixed 10 rounder.

Turbinator
04-24-2005, 7:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Admin:
Very nice rifles. I only wish I had bought one before 2000. They remind me of a Stoner. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, very nice. I am envious! Rifle envy?

Turby

fastmanusa
04-24-2005, 8:28 AM
[QUOTE]

If that's yours I'm assuming you're not living in California or that's a permanently fixed magazine.

[\QUOTE]
That sounds like kind of a personal question. How about it's none of your business.

C123K_LoadMaster
04-24-2005, 11:20 AM
50 Freak

All the M96's sold into CA after 2000 we not permitted to have a pistol grip installed. I would imagine the handling would be awkward. When I ordered the green stock set for one of my M96's a few years back Robinson refused to send me a pistol grip. In order to get them to ship me one I had to provide Alex Robinson with a copy of my AW registration.

Regarding accuracy, I am satisfied. I shot the group below with Winchester 55 gr. (white box) at 100 yards.

BTW, a SAR-4800 (FAL) rifle in .308 is lighter than a SAR-4800 (FAL) carbine in .223. Also, a Stoner SR-25 Standard in .308. is lighter than a Colt HBAR in .223 The difference is the .308 is a bigger bore than .223 which means a lighter barrel.

http://www.fototime.com/7D3E97E4D24BA34/standard.jpg

C123K_LoadMaster
04-24-2005, 11:24 AM
Fastmanusa

Not to worry. I registered my M96's with the CA DOJ in 2000.

04-24-2005, 12:08 PM
Customer service at RobArms is unquestionably great IMO, however, they are a bit paranoid of certain things (especially that of pistol grips falling into the "wrong" hands). It is their policy now to NOT answer any (even the most inane) questions about their firearms without you providing a comprehensive list of personal info. and that of your rifle(s). I can't knock their products, or their service, yet encouraging more Orwellian nonsense is a bit of a turn-off to me.

In regards to the Bren config. :
I wish RA had concentrated on the caliber conversions (one of the main reasons I bought mine) they promised for the M96 rather than this goofy http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif set-up.

Oh well...

RRangel
04-25-2005, 2:29 PM
I wonder if Lockyer and the CA DOJ will at some point try and pull that confiscation deal on buyers again? What happens when we get another Attorney General?

I really like this rifle only the no pistol grip wouldn't make it any fun. Probably not worth the $1000+ hassle.

Has anyone seen dealers stocking these?

04-25-2005, 2:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Admin:

I really like this rifle only the no pistol grip wouldn't make it any fun. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Without the PG stud, I'd agree. It would be hard to fire it without that, but as it's sold for CA, it's not dificult to shoot sans the grip. However, it can be akward to charge the rifle and the handling sometimes feels clumsy (i.e. waaaayy too muzzle-heavy) without it. Other than that, it shoots like a dream.

Besides, IMO, it is the least "neutered" of it's kind - that being, rifles specifically created to fill the CA SB23 niche market. With an allen wrench, it can easily be returned to it's normal state in a normal state in a matter of seconds.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Probably not worth the $1000+ hassle. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Considering the options and their near equitable expense, I'd tend to disagree.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Has anyone seen dealers stocking these? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes.

C123K_LoadMaster
04-26-2005, 9:05 AM
I agree, service at Robinson Arms is very good.

BTW, you are the first person I have heard call the top feed (Bren) configuration goofy. Especially considering all the different nations that used this configuration for decades against their enemies with such devastating effect.

C123K_LoadMaster
04-26-2005, 9:24 AM
I don't see the CA DOJ going down that path again. It was a very big embarrassment for them and Alex's attorney made sure they heard the message loud and clear.