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Mugwump
08-30-2005, 10:07 AM
Came across some figures that smell a little fishy:

The Geneva based Small Arms Survey estimates that in the entire world there are approximately 700 million guns in the hands of civilians, armies and police. Almost one third of these guns - at least 220 million - are in the hands of Americans.

Do these figures seem low? I've seen the 220 million figure before, but it was for US civilians only. I'm wondering if someone is playing with figures to make it look like there aren't that many guns in the populace, and it's mostly us blood-thirsty american civilians.

Here's the link:
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/August2005/29/c3993.html

C.G.
08-30-2005, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by Mugwump:
Came across some figures that smell a little fishy:

The Geneva based Small Arms Survey estimates that in the entire world there are approximately 700 million guns in the hands of civilians, armies and police. Almost one third of these guns - at least 220 million - are in the hands of Americans.

Do these figures seem low? I've seen the 220 million figure before, but it was for US civilians only. I'm wondering if someone is playing with figures to make it look like there aren't that many guns in the populace, and it's mostly us blood-thirsty american civilians.

Here's the link:
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/August2005/29/c3993.html

As far as I know, in Switzerland, to this day every male of age has to have a military issue rifle at home. Yet there is very little crime in Switzerland. Media does not seem to talk about that much, I guess good news doesn't sell.

joel1316
08-30-2005, 11:47 AM
I wonder how many pistols are sold on a daily basis(average) in California alone?

jdberger
08-30-2005, 1:21 PM
As far as I know, in Switzerland, to this day every male of age has to have a military issue rifle at home.

Finland has a similar program, IIRC.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/g/gu/gun_politics_in_finland.htm

Charliegone
08-30-2005, 3:10 PM
No its pretty accurate. The thing they fail to mention is we are not the most violent country in the world. I.E. Brazil, Russia and South Africa have higher gun related incidents than we do.

SunshineGlocker
08-30-2005, 4:53 PM
Originally posted by Charliegone:
No its pretty accurate. The thing they fail to mention is we are not the most violent country in the world. I.E. Brazil, Russia and South Africa have higher gun related incidents than we do.
Jamaica, which has a total ban on private gun ownership, has far higher violent crime (including gun crime) than we do. Jamaica has stricter gun laws than Japan.

The figure of 700mil guns in the hands of civilians, armies and police world-wide seems LOW to me. Seems impossibly low. Guns don't rot away or disapear. If you keep it dry and oil it once a decade (and don't use it very often) any gun will last a hundred years. I personally have seen hunters in some remote parts of the world who use 150 year old guns as the daily shooters. I'm sure far more than 700mil guns have been manufactured in the past century.

Charliegone
08-31-2005, 12:51 AM
Probably, but I think we are talking about the ones we know about. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Trader Jack
08-31-2005, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by Joel1316:
I wonder how many pistols are sold on a daily basis(average) in California alone?

Rough guess; 350 to 400

imported_1911_sfca
09-01-2005, 7:58 AM
Originally posted by jdberger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> As far as I know, in Switzerland, to this day every male of age has to have a military issue rifle at home.

Finland has a similar program, IIRC.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/g/gu/gun_politics_in_finland.htm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Very interesting. I spend a lot of time in Finland for work, and didn't know much about the gun laws.

Their culture is very different; it is quite homogenous and people are very polite and follow laws and rules to a high degree. In that sense it's similar to Japan. However, we see that the firearms laws definitely are not.

Finland has compulsory 1-2 year (or sometimes 6 months) military service, and the guys at work like to talk about it.. a lot. They seem to have a lot of formative experiences there, and love to complain about the Soviet weaponry and military vehicles they are forced to use, the manual calculation of mortar trajectories, standing out in the -30 degree cold for hours, etc etc.

Anyhow, I'll have to ask some of them about guns. I never got the impression that 50% of homes had guns in them, since I have never heard one of them mention anything about having or shooting guns at home.

That brings us to Switzerland. I lived there for a short spell, and one of our interns this summer is Swiss. I took him to the range to shoot some handguns and shotguns, and we talked about the Swiss system quite a bit.

While people here love to quote the fact that each male has an AR at home, it's quite a different situation in terms of *using* one. They have strictly regulated ammunition, and it's a crime to use it except for when you're supposed to. Although my friend had used his AR in army exercises, he had never shot a handgun or shotgun before. So just because you have an AR at home, doesn't mean you're more proficient, or interested, or active, with guns. Just food for thought.

I also asked him about home defense, and he said that it is very rare for someone to use their AR for home defense, although it happens occasionally. Just some anecdotes I wanted to relay..

imported_1911_sfca
09-01-2005, 2:31 PM
I asked a Finnish guy at work about this. He says he is suspicious of the U.N.'s claim of 50% household ownership, which I guess is based on a figure of 900,000 permits, and 2-point-whatever people per household.

He looked up a page that says (in Finnish) that there are over 300 gun clubs and about 38,000 active shooters in the country of 5 million people... so just under 1% of the population seems to be active target shooters. Not sure how that compares to the U.S. in terms of active shooters, as opposed to gun owners.

icormba
09-02-2005, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by Mugwump:
Came across some figures that smell a little fishy:

at least 220 million - are in the hands of Americans.

Do these figures seem low? I've seen the 220 million figure before, but it was for US civilians only.

the only way to know this for sure is if we had 100% registration requirements in all 50 states... hmmm... that sounds like a good idea! http://www.calguns.net/banghead.gif


so yeah... I'd say it's a bit fishy too!

Turbinator
09-02-2005, 11:37 AM
I seem to recall the NRA using the number 220 million firearms in the hands of civilians in the USA. Or was it 200 million? Somewhere around there.

I have no idea where these guns are - too bad they aren't in MY collection. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Turby

Gary H
09-07-2005, 6:43 AM
Did they count the guns in my second safe?

Experts always make proclamations and they are simply making an educated guess. I'm sure that they are accurate to within 33.345213%.

Turbinator
09-07-2005, 8:42 AM
Originally posted by Gary H:
Experts always make proclamations and they are simply making an educated guess. I'm sure that they are accurate to within 33.345213%.

Did you know that approximately 84.59% of all statistics are made up? http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Turby

ivanimal
09-08-2005, 8:28 PM
You ar 83.9803% correct.