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ocjimmy
07-04-2005, 7:22 AM
I originally posted this on Glocktalk. Since this is CA and a CA Guns site, I felt it was also appropriate to post it here.

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I have just wrapped up an awesome week in my neighboring red-state, Arizona. I just needed to get out of California, so I drove out with no itenerary, just a full tank of gas and some (ok a lot of) cash.

Yes, my CA CCW is honored in AZ. God Bless 'em!


OK, here's what finally sealed the deal for me and made me one to join the millions of CA refugees leaving the state annually (to make room for illegal aliens).

I was at Ben Avery target range (State run range) just north of Phoenix. Ben Avery Shooting Facility Link (http://www.basfaz.com/)

They didn't have any ammo for sale so they refered me to either Wal Mart or Sportsman's Warehouse. If you haven't been, you must check out Sportsman's Warehouse. It's like Home Depot for gun and outdoor enthusiasts. Sportsman's Warehouse Link (http://www.sportsmanswarehouse.com/)

OK, now to what finally sealed the deal for me. I'm browsing for the best price on some ball range ammo. A gorgeous 22-24 yr old blonde in cute shorts and a tiny t-shirt walks up to the gun counter. Really, She was a 9.5+. It was 115 degrees outside but she was much hotter.

Being an (Important here) attractive single man, I moseyed over to the counter to look at some of the revolvers on the wall. I hear her mention to the counter associate that she wants a Glock 9mm. OK, now my heart starts pumping in my chest like the wolf in a Tex Avery cartoon.

The counter man goes and looks at what he's got available, so I have my chance to be helpful. Since she simply asked for a Glock, 9mm but doesn't know any model numbers when the counter man mentions the 17, 19, or the 26, I decided it was time to ask her if it was for sport, home defense or concealment. She was very friendly! (Think Southern without the accent) She looked over at me and said, I think it's for concealment. My Boyfriend is joining the Maricopa Sheriff's Department and I want to get him a Glock.

WOW! At this point, I don't know what came over me, but I started to tear up a little bit. See in CA, to find a woman who would even thinks about someone else besides herself is rare, but to have the sense and determination to buy a Glock for her boyfriend.... That's a Love I had not yet ever experienced!

After regaining my composure emotionally, I asked if she knew which one in particular since Glock makes 9mm in 4 sizes(XL, L, M, XS). She said she didn't know for sure. I suggested may she might consider getting him a gift certificate so he can get the one he wants or needs and he'll always know that you love him.

She agreed and the counterman knodded his head in approval. With a kind 'thank you' she asked where she could get a gift certificate and was pointed in the right direction. I ask the counter man where I pay for the ammo and he directed me to the cashiers.

I went on to have a great time with my G-21, G-30 and my new SW1911 at the range. ($5.00 to shoot plus targets for a quarter!!!!!!!!)

CA is a lost cause in so many ways. Yes living in Orange County is among the best CA can offer in Gun (CCW) Friendliness, but we've lost so much. When you witness, first hand, the freedoms a neighboring state like Arizona has, it becomes plain as day how much CA is a dead horse that requires no more beating. C'mon, Approved list, 10 rnd mags, 10day wait, 1 Handgun a month, Mandatory Registration, CA 'Assualt Weapon' ban, D.R.O.S. fees (Gun Tax), and then the new retarded laws going into effect in 2006 (Loaded Chamber indicators and Magazine Disconnect safety) and 2007. Worse yet the insanity the looneys in Sacramento want to pass and have signed into law like ammo serialization and serial number imprint on firing pin.

Don't even let me get started on the Small Business killing legislation signed into law by Davis that goes into effect in 2006.

My Friends, As certian as my G-26 will be on me as I head out the door tomorrow morning, I must plan on leaving CA for the glorious Grand Canyon (Red) State. I must find a way to make a living and be a contributing citizen anew, but it's worth it!

For most of your non-resident friends, (probably CA refugees in some fashion or another) this may seem as obvious as fireworks on the Fourth of July, but for me, I will be counting the days when I can bid farewell to the state I was born and grew up in.

Arizona, Here I come!

Jim

walkerboh4269
07-04-2005, 11:35 AM
I too have been contemplating the move out of state.

The more I here these stories the more I want to go.

At this point I do not believe I can leave. More than anything I can't convince my wife that it would be a good idea.

m1afan
07-04-2005, 12:55 PM
Amen! I'm contemplating AZ as well. 31 years in Kali has been great, but this state isn't worth living in just for the f-n weather...

ivanimal
07-04-2005, 5:12 PM
We will miss you.

MadMex
07-04-2005, 7:30 PM
I’ve chosen to return to Kali to spend time and energy to bring about change. I wish you the best of success if you decide to relo. Just one favor please, don’t haunt the boards with rhetoric about how ridiculous Kali is. Remember, you decided to take your vote for change out of state.

JAFGO
07-04-2005, 10:12 PM
I've moved out of CA four times and I just keep coming back. The weather sucks everywhere else. You can match our moderate coastal summers in a few states and our mild winters as well in a few other states. You just can't have our climate anywhere else all year round.

The gun issue in CA, other than CCW, isn't a big deal for me personally at this point in time. After 30+ years of the gun hobby, I have everything I need and almost everything I want. And the collectables I want are still legally sold locally and imported into CA - it's just a matter of rarity and price that keeps me on the hunt. But it's tough for the new guys getting into the hobby today. If I were a young pup again, I'd be living in northern Nevada or Idaho most likely. If you can handle the heat, AZ sounds good too. But never anything east of the Colorado.

stealthmode
07-04-2005, 10:51 PM
MadMex, you have a good point about not bad talking after you leave I am bothered by the people that do that.

Jim good luck to you if you move to AZ

imported_dadoody
07-04-2005, 11:35 PM
A friend's father owns large lots in Arizona as well as a water company, and he says that real estate is booming out there with people who've been moving from California

dave3006
07-05-2005, 4:58 AM
If you leave Kali. Tell others how to find us so that they can send troops to liberate us.

ocjimmy
07-06-2005, 8:33 PM
Hi my friends...

I think we should start a support group so those contemplating moving can become empowered to make a positive and affirmative decision to chase liberty and freedom for themselves and their families.

We Californians have lost so much freedom that we beg others who escape not to make fun of the scraps of moldy bread and contaminated water this state 'graciously' permits us instead of the feast of liberty respected by most other states.

C'mon for the love of small animals, look at all the laws the loonies in sacramento want to push on us this year. It's on the home page of this site on the right. Tell me, with a straight face, that it's possible to change this state from within. There's only so much hope one can offer until you just pack up and leave.

The republicans (all three of them) in the state assembly and senate are such a minority that they are unable to stop or even slow down any of this insanity reported as legislation.

When I leave this God forsaken state, I'll be leaving for good. I am not like the dog that returns to it's vomit.

When I become an AZ resident, the first thing I will do is buy up every single tommy gun, N frame Smith revolver, Colt Python, AR-10 (.308 version of the AR-15), pistol grip stock, standard capacity magazine and then I'll post a picture for all of you to see.

No my friends, you need not worry about me ripping CA when I leave. It's been done and is continually being done by the criminals elected to state office. Nothing I do or don't do will stop 'em. I'm just getting out while I can.

Just wondering, what are you going to do with all of that registered brass that is left on the floor of your favorite range when it's reloded and used by those with ill intent. Bill Lockyear will personally be knocking on your door collecting all of your guns! Can't wait for that can you?

Still think the weather is worth it?

Jim

Mike Searson
07-06-2005, 10:18 PM
AMEN!

I left this State once (back when it was a free and greatplace to live...minimal gunlaws, lots of hot women, no helmet laws, etc) and returned to a Gulag.

Seriously, this place is like being in a night of the living dead movie with liberals just aimlessly wandering around like zombies.

I honestly thought I could work to change things.
I gave free firearms classes. Wrote my legislators, donated money, called, faxed, wrote letters to the editor, etc.

I was not content with the answers I was getting: so what, buy what you want; nobody obeys those laws, why do you?; etc.

I have decided to take Senator perata's advice for people like me.

I am moving.

I'm selling my homes and acerage and taking my money and assets across the border.

**** the weather....Nevada's is just as nice.

I'll take the paycut...rather spend it in a state to generate business and taxes for a government that knows I'm not the problem.

I won't fill the boards with rhetoric of how ridiculous this place is...most of us know that.

I will forever be amazed at gunowners who think these laws make sense, though.

Bruce
07-06-2005, 10:29 PM
Jimmy, Mike, don't let the door knob hit you where the good Lord split ya.

ocjimmy
07-06-2005, 10:40 PM
Bruce,

Spoken like a true blue, kool-aid drink'n, David Koretz voting, LA Times reading, Subject of CA.

All the best!

Jim

icormba
07-06-2005, 10:59 PM
I was born here & I'm not leaving any time soon.

I do not know one single person who has left this state just because of stupid retarded gun laws. And I can't figure out why traffic is even worse today than last year if millions are moving out? And why have house prices not gone down?

However, my mom moved with her husband to Florida... my older sister moved to Texas... and my younger sister and her husband moved to Oregon. yeah, so what? all 5 of them are California liberals!! get the trend?

My grandmother, my uncle, and I are the only ones left... although I'm the only pro-gun person in my family. go figure. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

pitbull30
07-07-2005, 1:21 AM
Originally posted by icormba:
I was born here & I'm not leaving any time soon.

I do not know one single person who has left this state just because of stupid retarded gun laws. And I can't figure out why traffic is even worse today than last year if millions are moving out? And why have house prices not gone down?

However, my mom moved with her husband to Florida... my older sister moved to Texas... and my younger sister and her husband moved to Oregon. yeah, so what? all 5 of them are California liberals!! get the trend?

My grandmother, my uncle, and I are the only ones left... although I'm the only pro-gun person in my family. go figure. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I dont think anyone leaves only because of the gun laws. I think there are many other factors that make people leave here. Lets not start a list on how crappy california is, but I think the biggest factor would be cost of living. Thats why I plan to leave.....

ocjimmy
07-07-2005, 8:05 AM
Originally posted by icormba:
I do not know one single person who has left this state just because of stupid retarded gun laws. And I can't figure out why traffic is even worse today than last year if millions are moving out? And why have house prices not gone down?


As you suspect, there are a multitude of reasons I am leaving. I intend to transition my sole propriatership to small business with employees. Can't do that in CA with the insane Workmans comp and anti-business laws about to go into effect. I'd go from a healthy profit to immediate defecit. I'd need to do three to four times the work to simply break even. Each new employee would increase my overhead rather than help earn more money.

Traffic is worse, in large part, due to the 2,000,000+ illegal aliens infiltrating CA on an annual basis. combine that with the sheer incompetence of the LA city government and you have a perfect recipe for the disaster we are facing.

House prices are so high most upper middle class can't even afford new housing. The main reason for the extreme jump here is the inability to build new housing. Where do you go besides the inland empire?

I do quite well, but I can't afford a 3 bedroom home in the bad side of town for $600+. My goal is to own several homes and use them for income. Can't easily do that here.

No, it's not just one thing, but it's a combination of many things. I truly feel pity for those who are myopic to the impending collapse in the housing and small-business sectors of the local economy. What happens in 4 more years when all of these interest only loans require interest + Principal. Foreclosure central.

All the best!

Jim

shooterx10
07-07-2005, 8:30 AM
I personally know of several people I used shoot action pistol with that have moved out of this Commie State because of the gun laws. One moved to Vegas, got his CCW, shoots at a range that is open 24 hours, and works at a casino. Free buffet food, flexible hours, and in an air conditioned building. Yes, he might have taken a paycut, but it's just right in line with the cost of living. The other gentlemen (retired) moved to Oregon, bought a ranch and probably uses his yard as his private shooting range.

Every year it gets worse. One day, some wacko psycho or gangbanger goes ballistic and starts killing a bunch of people (i.e. 1989 Stockton school murders). Look for more anti-gun laws to come down the pipeline and confiscation is just around the corner. So, are you going to willfully turn in your guns like the good subject of this Commie State?

Oh geez, if you have not heard already, San Francisco is already headed down that way with it's gun ban! http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Arizona is the best! It's home to Dillon Precision and my shooting heroes: Brian Enos, Matt Burkett, and Rob Leatham. I'd move there in a heartbeat if I can, especially to Sedona or Scottsdale.

Mike
07-07-2005, 8:40 AM
Jimmy,
Sincerely, I wish you the best of luck. There are others here that are moving to AZ as well. I had to come here to CA due to work reasons, and had the foresight to buy a home 2 1/2 years ago rather than rent. During escrow prices around my house rose 20 grand. My house is now on the market, and I am buying a home in NC, IN CASH, with the proceeds of this sale. I do not need to bring up any reasons to leave here, as they are quite obvious.
It's going to be quite nice to be able to buy a RR M16 as my first firearms purchase in NC.

Again, I wish you the best.

Mike

Mike
07-07-2005, 8:47 AM
Flagstaff is really pretty country as well.

bwiese
07-07-2005, 9:23 AM
... truly feel pity for those who are myopic to the impending collapse in the housing and small-business sectors of the local economy. What happens in 4 more years when all of these interest only loans require interest + Principal. Foreclosure central.

Maybe in smaller/remote areas, yes. But Bay Area real estate will, at worst, drop 1-2% or just not grow for a year or two if things slow + rates rise.

I doubt that foreclosure activity will significantly increase in Bay Area. Even in the pits of the 2001 recession it was fairly limited - someone else was there to snap up the house before it went into foreclosure. And lenders hat e to let things go into foreclosure - they can't sell foreclosed homes effectively and would rather be a bit cooperative w/mortgagees with problems.

People are moving into Bay Area and buying homes. There's an internal natural growth rate in this region, plus growth from move-ins. Compared w/housing stock supply amount and lack of growth, there's a continued divergence.

The overall Bay Area economy is quite a bit bigger than it was in the boom times of 2000. There's very limited housing supply in various price ranges, esp ones w/decent school systems (today: decent school = one you don't get mugged in, and has no busing).

The businesses that stay here will be the ones requiring smart adaptable folks with lots of skills & education, and businessess to support these folks will charge accordingly.

If you're starting up a brainpower-based co, this is still (and will continue to be) the place to do it.

Bill Wiese
San Jose

dave3006
07-07-2005, 9:37 AM
I tend to agree with Jim. I envy the person that can buy a home with cash in a free state. I could do the same if my wife was of the same mind.

I am more pessimistic about the economy and the housing bubble. America borrows $1.5B a day. As soon as the Chinese start selling dollars, our currency will collapse and housing will go with it. I have no idea when it will happen. But, I believe it will. It is just common sense. In the end, we will get what we deserve financially. No country in the history of the world has run up the debt the way we have. No doubt, a large part of it is due to the socialist nature of our government that is causing gunowners so much grief.

Massive pain is coming to the USA due to our willingness to allow a gov't out of control live beyond it's means.

(Just my opinion. I could be wrong.)

jnojr
07-07-2005, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by bwiese:

Maybe in smaller/remote areas, yes. But Bay Area real estate will, at worst, drop 1-2% or just not grow for a year or two if things slow + rates rise.

The Bay Area appreciated faster and more than several other areas, and lost thousands of jobs with the dot-com crash.

The nearly-inevitable "crash" or "readjustment" isn't a statement that people are no longer willing to buy houses... it's because a lot of the people who own houses now bought houses they cannot afford. When the ARMs and inteerst-only mortgages come due, while interest rates rise, a lot of people who were barely scraping by will suddenly see their payment go up by 50% or more. They'll have to panic-sell or face foreclosure.

I doubt that foreclosure activity will significantly increase in Bay Area. Even in the pits of the 2001 recession it was fairly limited - someone else was there to snap up the house before it went into foreclosure.

Yes... speculators! Who are paying more in mortgage payments than they can collect from rents.

And lenders hate to let things go into foreclosure - they can't sell foreclosed homes effectively and would rather be a bit cooperative w/mortgagees with problems.

Lenders will have no choice but to foreclose... you can't send out $4000 bills, collect $2500 or less, and stay in business.

People are moving into Bay Area and buying homes. There's an internal natural growth rate in this region, plus growth from move-ins. Compared w/housing stock supply amount and lack of growth, there's a continued divergence.

But if/when prices collapse in the outlying areas, people will have a choice... buy the $900,000 dump in the city, or buy the $350,000 newly-depreciated house an hour or two away, and deal with the commute.

You have to look at how far housing prices have oustripped incomes. In San Diego County, in order to afford a median-priced home (roughtly $550K), a family needs something like $140K in yearly income. That's about 10% of households. So, everyone who makes less but is still buying today (or bought in the past year, 18 months or so) is in a house they cannot afford. They're hanging on by a fingernail. If they have a fixed-rate mortgage, and if their job isn't outsourced or eliminated, they'll be OK. But way too many people who bought in the past couple of years have done so with "alternative financing", and are going to have to pay the piper.

jnojr
07-07-2005, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by dave3006:
I am more pessimistic about the economy and the housing bubble. America borrows $1.5B a day. As soon as the Chinese start selling dollars, our currency will collapse and housing will go with it. I have no idea when it will happen. But, I believe it will. It is just common sense.

It would be against China's interests to collapse our economy. We're the biggest consumer of their goods, and the (or a large part of the) driving force behind their economy.

The housing market is just about going to have to correct itself regardless... a market where 10% of households can actually afford to buy just isn't sustainable.

In the end, we will get what we deserve financially. No country in the history of the world has run up the debt the way we have. No doubt, a large part of it is due to the socialist nature of our government that is causing gunowners so much grief.

Massive pain is coming to the USA due to our willingness to allow a gov't out of control live beyond it's means.

I agree with you here. Americans are terrible at saving and great at spending money we don't have, and that's gonna bite us hard.

jester
07-07-2005, 11:34 AM
I will probably be leaving in a couple of years too..
I bought my condo 2 years ago for $118k, and in that time it has grown to $300k, which is my stake for a real house out of state when the time comes.

dave3006
07-07-2005, 11:47 AM
I agree that the Chinese probably won't pull the plug intentionally. They are currently trying to take the dollars they have and buy tangible assets like IBM, Canadian Gold mines, and Unocal.

What I think is happening that many Asian countries are trying to QUIETLY head towards the "exit" door on the dollar. At some point, it will be obvious to all and then a panic will unintentionally start. Because the dollar is nothing but a "promise to pay" by the US governement, it will collapse due to a lack of confidence.

(100% opinion. Only time will tell.)

imported_dadoody
07-19-2005, 6:10 PM
Hey, I just looked into some empty lots, and am contemplating land developing, but you guys WOULD NOT believe how expensive developing is in CA. I can see why there's not as much development going on as we'd like to see.

The 3 biggest reasons why developing is so expensive that I've found right now are:

1.) CA regulations/taxations/various laws are very cumbersome and expensive.
2.) Over priced land values. Even desert is over priced.
3.) Cost of construction goods + taxation of said goods plus the previous 2 are breaking my balls here.

How the hell can I develop anything with conditions like these.

Bling Bling
07-19-2005, 9:57 PM
Bay area real estate is humorous to me. Only 8% of the poplulation can afford to buy a house! Factor out the 1-2% that are independently wealthy anyway and that gives you 6-7 hard working americans that can buy a house out of 100.

Then look at what you actually get. A 30-50 year old house that will run you $$ to fix up in the next 20-30 years. Check out this crapshack for $400k! http://www.craigslist.org/sby/rfs/83973732.html
It's a townhouse!

A friend just got a custom built home in MO on a golf course, 4000 sq foot on an acre of land for $500k. I can't even find a decent townhouse for that here!

We need to support our friends moving out of CA. If they are successful, they can prove to big business that CA is not worth it and hopefully they will move too, making easier for everyone to move out.

Hoping for things to get better here seems pathetic to me. Even our own party is abandoning us.

imported_dadoody
07-19-2005, 10:20 PM
for things to get better here seems pathetic to me. Even our own party is abandoning us.

I found a state where my income will more than match my quality of life: Washington state. I can make 70k in IT, yet buying a house won't break my balls.

bwiese
07-20-2005, 2:18 PM
Hey Bling...

Originally posted by Bling Bling:
A friend just got a custom built home in MO on a golf course, 4000 sq foot on an acre of land for $500k. I can't even find a decent townhouse for that here!

Not many people in MO can afford that, though.
That's an expensive place for the area: I'd bet avg salaries there are only btwn 1/2 - 2/3 of here.


BTW, that $399K townhouse you pointed to is not too far from my area. It's actually a pretty sucky area. Wouldn't walk around there at night without 'adequate measures' - gang-tainted little apt complexes w/Section 8 renters surround it.

Bill Wiese
San Jose

50 Freak
07-20-2005, 2:43 PM
Well guess it's time for my 2 cents.

Kali sucks!!!!!!!!!

If it weren't for the great weather, hot women, good paying jobs and family ties. I'd be living in some rural area in Oregon with a range on my property and a river.

I went through the "gotta buy a house" stage and almost bought a couple of properties. Luckily I was outbid (35% over asking price for a piece of crap that should have been condemned). Anyways, renting right now is pretty damn cheap and plentiful. As long as it stays that way, I'm renting. I pay about 30% of what a mortage payment would be for a "decent" 2 bedroom crap home. I pocket the rest of the cash I save and am waiting for the upcoming housing bubble burst or invasion from China. Which ever comes first. Either way, I'm ready to rock and roll baby.

On a side note. For those of us that have been collecting for a good number of years, living in Kali isn't so bad as we already have our toys. And really, how many AR's does one really need (this means you Bill!!!http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It just sucks for the new collectors. Hard to hear about AK's selling for $200 bucks. When you can't even have a decent autoloader (other than a SKS) for under $600 bucks.

neveragain@juno.com
07-20-2005, 5:31 PM
I for one, would be happy to stand outside a WalMart gathering signitures to put pro-gun legislaytion on the ballot Why do we all complain but not get some legislation started?

atek3
07-23-2005, 11:04 PM
A friend just got a custom built home in MO on a golf course, 4000 sq foot on an acre of land for $500k. I can't even find a decent townhouse for that here!

Ah yes, but then you'd have to live in missouri, trust me, I'm from missouri... Living there is a fate I wouldn't wish on anyone.

I'm in California for the Job... Unfortunately in my line of work, I few choices for places to get work... SF, LA, San Diego, Boston, Research Triangle Park, NC. I'd consider living in NC, but I'd rather live in NH, VT, WY, or MT...

DVDTracker
08-02-2005, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by Jimmy:
Don't even let me get started on the Small Business killing legislation signed into law by Davis that goes into effect in 2006.


What legislation is this? As a CA refugee, I like to keep tabs on things.

imported_82a1
08-02-2005, 11:53 AM
I agree with 50 Freak about Oregon as a possibility. As a coastal type person, I just can't see myself living in some hot *** down south state like AZ or TX - where temperatures often exceed 100 degrees. In states like Oregon and Washington, the weather is fairly nice (granted it does rain quite a bit) and I imagine they have great hunting areas. Though I'm not familiar with their gun laws, they can't be as BS as the one's we have.
Anyway, just thought I would get that off my chest. Sometimes, it's just really frustrating to think of all the neat firearms we miss out on. What are future generations going to have? Probably just super soakers and BB guns!

82a1

Pulsar
08-02-2005, 1:20 PM
Originally posted by Jimmy:
Don't even let me get started on the Small Business killing legislation signed into law by Davis that goes into effect in 2006.



What legislation is this? As a CA refugee, I like to keep tabs on things.

I don't know the legislation off hand but I know workers comp is killing business in kali. My grandpa runs a new car dealership and worker's comp for the mechanics is 150% of their salary, same goes for detailers. It's really hard to make a profit that way. Worker's comp rates are pretty much like that in any physically active job.

I'm planning on leaving the state as soon as I'm done with college. I was too young to buy all the "evil" guns before they were banned. I'll probably move back some day, but before I do I'm gonna make sure I buy as many recievers to the "evil" guns as I can and register em.

Mike
08-02-2005, 1:28 PM
Originally posted by Pulsar:
I'm planning on leaving the state as soon as I'm done with college. I was too young to buy all the "evil" guns before they were banned. I'll probably move back some day, but before I do I'm gonna make sure I buy as many recievers to the "evil" guns as I can and register em.

Um, sorry dude. It doesn't work that way. You cannot bring any evil items purchased out of state back into CA.

Pulsar
08-02-2005, 2:07 PM
I plan to be a resident of a free state for many years before I move back to cali. In that case it is legal.

Mike
08-02-2005, 2:11 PM
I do not understand what you said before or now.
You said, and I quote:
"I'm gonna make sure I buy as many recievers to the "evil" guns as I can and register em."

You can buy whatever you want once you leave here, and there isn't registration in most states. I take that comment to mean that you were going to buy them out of state and register them here so you can bring them back here once you decided to move back to CA. That is not what you meant? It seemed like it in your post.

The "register em" comment is what I am trying to understand here.

Mike
08-02-2005, 2:20 PM
Originally posted by Pulsar:
I plan to be a resident of a free state for many years before I move back to cali. In that case it is legal.

It's legal, provided those "evil in CA" toys stay in that free state and never come to CA.

Pulsar
08-02-2005, 4:15 PM
It's legal when you register them as you move into kalifornia from out of state. I've lost count of how many "moving to cali, how do I register?" threads there are in the political forum.

Mike
08-02-2005, 4:27 PM
Originally posted by Pulsar:
It's legal when you register them as you move into kalifornia from out of state. I've lost count of how many "moving to cali, how do I register?" threads there are in the political forum.

Sorry to say ,but you are VERY incorrect. You MAY NOT AND CANNOT REGISTER ANY AW's IN CA ANYMORE.
Only AD military may have them (post CA ban date) with permission while PCS'ed here.

You need to consult with an attorney, else you spend time in a CA state prison if caught.

Pulsar
08-02-2005, 7:49 PM
So your saying that it's illegal for someone who is say moving to kalifornia froma free state, say, washington, and has never lived in kalifornia, to bring his AR with him. And that he's supposed to just throw it away before he can move into the state. The way I've heard it before is that a person moving in from another state has to register these weapons, but get's to keep em.

Just trying to make sure we are all on the same page.

This part.
(2) A person moving into this state, otherwise in lawful possession of an assault weapon, shall do one of the following:
(A) Prior to bringing the assault weapon into this state, that person shall first obtain a permit from the Department of Justice in the same manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with Section 12230) of Chapter 2.
(B) The person shall cause the assault weapon to be delivered to a licensed gun dealer, as defined in subdivision (c) of Section 12290, in this state in accordance with Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto. If the person obtains a permit from the Department of Justice in the same manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with Section 12230) of Chapter 2, the dealer shall redeliver that assault weapon to the person. If the licensed gun dealer, as defined in subdivision (c) of Section 12290, is prohibited from delivering the assault weapon to a person pursuant to this paragraph, the dealer shall possess or dispose of the assault weapon as allowed by this chapter.

Librarian
08-02-2005, 11:50 PM
it's illegal for someone who is say moving to kalifornia from a free state, say, washington, and has never lived in kalifornia, to bring his AR with him. And that he's supposed to just throw it away before he can move into the state. EXACTLY. And you quoted the precise part of California Penal Code which applies.

Pulsar
08-03-2005, 8:53 AM
Hmm, thanks for clearing that up for me, now I've got a few people I need to correct. Guess I may not move back to california.

DVDTracker
08-03-2005, 11:15 AM
So back to my question... what is this small business legislation that's coming into effect in 2006?

ocjimmy
08-03-2005, 11:46 AM
In Gray Davis' Final weeks as Governor, he signed legislation that required all businesses with over 14 employees to offer full medical insurance. That combined with the ever increasing rise in Workmans comp is making CA inhospitable to even the staunchest Liberal small business owner.

Also CA's supreme court decision Sexual harassment ruling... If you consentually date another employee, when it comes time for a promotion, if non-dated employee doesn't get job, you have now comitted sexual harassment.

Yup, Loonies are running the asylum.

Jim

Mike
08-03-2005, 1:21 PM
CA is very unfriendly to business, no matter what that RINO Ahnold says..

CAPTAIN MIKE
08-19-2005, 4:19 AM
I hope the Govenator will declare the same 'State of Emergency' that has been established in both New Mexico and Arizona.

Only one step in the right direction, but at least it's a step forward.

Mr331
08-20-2005, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by Pulsar:
So your saying that it's illegal for someone who is say moving to kalifornia froma free state, say, washington, and has never lived in kalifornia, to bring his AR with him. And that he's supposed to just throw it away before he can move into the state.

Just leave them at the border, I'll pick them up on my way out.