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Barbarossa
11-08-2009, 4:50 PM
Hey all,

I need help putting a new computer together. I've been browsing on Newegg and I'm all confused.

I'd really like to go with the Intel Core I7, or top of the line AMD (phenom?) processor.

I'm also looking into using a solid state hard drive for the operating system only. I'd install any programs etc onto another drive.

Can someone fill me in on this dual video card stuff?

I already have drives with itunes songs, high rez pictures off my digital camera, movies etc.. on it. I'd be wiping this box and starting fresh for that kind of stuff.
(iTunes lags this computer like crazy)

Basically Looking to build a hotrod for less then $1,000. I'm not savy enough to figure out what power supply works with what, or what mother board fits in what case. I can turn a screwdriver though! (not paying dell for that :D )

Thanks in advance.

lewdogg21
11-08-2009, 5:02 PM
What do you want to use this pc for? I see tons of $ being wasted depending on your answers.

Barbarossa
11-08-2009, 5:20 PM
This would basically be a sterile box for gaming only.

I'd like to be able to play the new call of duty, etc...


Right now I'm using a P4 1.5Ghz, with 512 Mb of ram with a Radeon 9700.


I'm looking for something that will be able to perform for years to come.

clockwork
11-08-2009, 5:33 PM
I'm looking for something that will be able to perform for years to come.

:eek:

This is technology we're talking about here, right?
Keep us posted on the build...

BTW, I've been running an Intel E6750 with 4GB DDR2 on a P5K Premium for 2+ years. The E6750 (2.66GHz) is pushed to 3.5GHz, memory (667) is pushed to 850MHz and graphics are through a single OC'd nVidia 8800GT... works like a charm.

My 2c - go with a GOOD board, it'll last you longer...

Barbarossa
11-08-2009, 5:40 PM
I'd like to be able to play the new call of duty, etc...


Minimum req's are:
# OS: Microsoft Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows 7 (Windows 95/98/ME/2000 are unsupported)
# Processor: Intel Pentium 4 3.2 GHz or AMD Athlon 64 3200+ processor or better supported
# Memory: 1 GB RAM
# Graphics: 256 MB NVIDIA GeForce 6600GT or better or ATI Radeon 1600XT or better
# DirectX: Microsoft DirectX 9.0c
# Hard Drive: 12GB of free hard drive space
# Sound: 100% DirectX 9.0c compatible sound card


Something like this?
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=11242525

bigmike82
11-08-2009, 6:02 PM
That looks okay to me.

Except, if you're spending 400 bucks on a mobo/cpu combo, I'd go with an i7 over the Core2. It may not be as fast, but if you buy a good mobo, you can easily upgrade the procs in the future to something faster.

Telperion
11-08-2009, 6:16 PM
Way too much PSU, I put your specs into http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp and it recommended 278 W.

locosway
11-08-2009, 6:17 PM
If you get confused on Newegg then either find a buddy to help you out, or head over the Dell.com and not worry about it.

bigmike82
11-08-2009, 6:50 PM
For a hundred bucks, the PSU is good. That's not something I'd change.

knuckled
11-09-2009, 12:22 AM
How about something like this:

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=15992688

I based it on your sample wishlist, but changed almost all of it. Here's why:

Processor: While the e8600 would theoretically be faster (for games) due to the higher clock speed, the quad core Q9550 is more than fast enough so that the real 'bottleneck' would be your graphics card. The Q9550 is better for multitasking, multimedia en/decoding, (de)compression etc. and is more future-proof for when games start utilizing 4 cores. The i7 920 would be a bit faster then the Q9550 (but that is pretty much limited to encoding if that makes a diff to you), but a compatible motherboard with comparable features will cost +$150 and if you wont be upgrading your CPU within the next 18-24 months anyway then the socket won't even take the newest processor by the time you are on the market to upgrade your CPU. Plus by then you'll probably want a new motherboard with USB 3.0, Sata III and PCI-E 3.0 anyway.

Motherboard: Right on, the EP45-UD3P is a feature packed monster overclocker and IMHO by far the best value of any intel chipset mobo out there now (esp. if you don't need a 'future proofed' motherboard as mentioned in the processor comment). It currently holds the record for overclocking DDR2 and the FSB, and is packed with more features/connectors then you should ever need. You should fairly easily be able to overlock a Q9550 to 3.7GHz - 4.0GHz on it.

Power supply: the 750TX is a solid choice, can go $10 cheaper to the Corsair 650TX if you want , which would be sufficient for any single graphics card setup. The 750w PSU is better to get if you think you will ever run a dual graphics card setup.

Graphics: The ATI 4890 is better and cheaper than the nVidia 275. When it is overclocked well it can almost go head to head with the 285 (the 285GTX is a little faster, but the 4890 is MUCH better in the price/performance dept.). You may want to decide between the the 4890 and the 5770. The latter is a bit slower but it runs cooler (so it is quieter) and will run DirectX 11. You will probably be upgrading your graphics card before any games come out exclusively for DX11 but you may want the DX11 option when compatible titles come out, if the improvement graphics-wise is as big as they promise (but nobody knows at this point.). Simply put, either card should be able to run any game that comes out in the next 3 years (though not necessarily at the highest res/best fps).

Don't worry about getting a second graphics card now. If you aren't one of those types that gets 2+ of the latest graphics cards every time a new one comes out, then when you build your system you should get the single best card you're willing to buy. That way you have room to upgrade if you ever decide to go the dual GPU route (though usually by the time you want to add a second card it is probably better to just get the best value on the market and sell the old one rather then add a second). The above motherboard will allow dual ATI cards (crossfire) but not dual nVidia so another reason to go with ATI if you will be getting that mobo.

BTW if you are willing to spend more on a GPU, then the 5850 is an awesome card to get. It is overpriced now, since Nvidia hasn't rolled out its competitor. (should come down fast pricewise in a couple months if nVidia releases something good by then)

RAM: The stuff I picked is cheaper after rebate and has a killer rep/OC potential.

Hard Drive: go for a WD Caviar Black, it has great speed, reliablity, and a 5 year warranty. Stay away from this generation of Seagate HDDs. Apart from the whole firmware fiasco they had, I've heard/read more than enough horror stories about Seagates of 1TB+ size being failure prone. (See the huge % of 1 egg reviews on this model (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16822148412), this model (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148487), and this model (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337))
Samsungs are fine to get. Whatever drive you get, make sure it has 3 platters (or fewer; for speed and reliability purposes), and 7200rpm if it is your system disk. Though SSDs have improved a bit lately they're still a big ripoff IMHO, especially for a $1k budget.

Case: I think for $10 more the CM690 is a better deal then the Antec 300 b/c it has eSata & firewire ports, external 3.5" bay, sideways harddrive installation, better cable management/airflow and has more room for today's big GPUs & CPU coolers. It is bigger then the the Antec 300, so if size/space is a big issue don't get it. The Antec 300 is a solid choice as well.


Don't forget to look for combo deals to save some $$ at newegg. Should be able to get the CPU+Mobo combo, and maybe Windows+GPU those should save you $50+dollers


You'll also need thermal compound for the CPU (arctic silver 5) and some case fans (yate loons are good budget fans, get low speed for quiet, med speed for great cooling but are a bit loud, fast ones IMO are just way too loud.). If you want to overclock your Q9550 to 3.5+GHz you should get an aftermarket cooler such as the Xigmatek S1283 and ACK-I7361 bracket

Hope all this info doesn't overwhelm you. I tried to explain my reasoning so you can know what to look for if you want to compare these picks with anything. Don't hesitate to ask if you need clarification on any of this.

This system should come out to about $1000 + Tax + S&H (after rebates/combo discounts). If you can wait 'til Black Friday you should be able to get some hot deals (online, no need to rush to a store) and knock $100+ off the total.

Barbarossa
11-09-2009, 8:32 AM
knuckled,

Thank you for your detailed post. I'm going to have to do some reading and digest this.

Firstly regarding the processor.

What about going AMD like the: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 140W Quad-Core Processor (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103692)
Or,
Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202) See combo deal: 291037 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.291037)

Seems this at 3.4 Ghz, would surely beat the Q9550, and they are roughly the same cost.

I've always bought Intel, but I have no aversion to AMD.

(this will change the entire mobo, Power supply etc.. right?)

wildhawker
11-09-2009, 10:28 AM
Similar spot as yourself, here's what I went with. It was over $1k OTD, so a few of the components would need to be played with to get it back to your budget. This WD hard drive scored above the Caviar Black and was only a few bucks more.

1 x DVD BURNER LITE-ON | IHAS424-98 R
1 x HD 1T|WEST DIGITAL WD1002FBYS
1 x CARD READER AFT XM-35U BLACK
1 x CPU THERMPASTE|AS5-3.5G
1 x CPU COOLER NOCTUA|NH-U12P SE2
1 x CASE ANTEC|TWELVE HUNDRED BK
1 x MB MSI P55-GD80 1156
1 x PSU CORSAIR|CMPSU-750TX 750W
1 x CPU INTEL|CORE I7 860 2.8G
1 x MEM 2Gx4|CORSAIR CMD8GX3M4A1600C8
1 x XFX RADEON HD 5850 1 GB DDR5 PCI Express Card HD585AZNFC

Super Spy
11-09-2009, 10:45 AM
I've built a number of my own PC's from scratch before, my last computer was a laptop so of course bought it. This time I looked into building one and ended up buying this http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11497536&whse=BC&Ne=4000000&eCat=BC|84|56671|74668&N=4026404&Mo=9&pos=4&No=0&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&cat=74668&Ns=P_Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&ec=BC-EC10600-Cat56671&topnav=

It comes with a 3 Ghz Phenom, 8 Gigs of memory, 1 TB harddrive and it's fast. I will be adding a better video card (for CAD and games) and may have to upgrade the power supply to do so. There was no way I could build a better system for less money, especially when you throw in buying an OEM copy of windows. The warranty is nice and Costco is easy to work with. Yes it's fun to brag to your buddies that you built it, this is just easy, fast, and cheap. Performance wise I'm sure it will do the trick (High End CAD software is very demanding on system resources)

Good Luck!

Rekrab
11-09-2009, 12:03 PM
The problem with any prebuilt system is that you will not have nearly as many choices with hardware configurations. You'll also be stuck with whatever crappy hardware manufacturer they decide to use. I like to be able to actually decide who my motherboard, case, power supply, ram and video card are made by.

5hundo
11-09-2009, 2:27 PM
I'm looking for something that will be able to perform for years to come.

Get a Mac...

Barbarossa
11-09-2009, 4:03 PM
Get a Mac...

No way am I buying one of those fruity white computers.

Did you read the thread?

knuckled
11-09-2009, 4:33 PM
After thinking it over and seeing how high priced the Q9550 is at newegg (though you can get it $170 at microcenter (http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0299412) if you have one near you) I think you might be better with a 965 system on your budget.

Here is a great 965 system for you
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=16004528

Switch the 650TX to a 750TX if you think you might go dual graphics cards eventually.

Switch the 4890 to a 5770 if DX11 futureproofing is important; or 5850 if you're willing to spend that much on a GPU.


make sure to get the 125w Phenom II 965 and NOT the 140w one if you go that route.

IMO the i7 920 isn't really worth it for you, considering your budget (b/c of the extra CPU + mobo cost) and you will probably replace the mobo by the time you get a new CPU (correct me if I'm wrong), so the 'future-proof' aspect wont do much for you.
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As far as how to make sure your system is compatible and what changes to make if you change a part. The basics of compatibility in building a new system is making sure:

1) the processor (CPU) fits the socket on the motherboard
2) the RAM matches the type that the motherboard takes (DDR2 or DDR3)
3)That the motherboard can handle 2 of your graphics cards (GPUs) should you want (the option) to go dual graphics cards. Crossfire for ATI, and SLI for nVidia. Though the newest chipset motherboards can handle both.

For example,

1) A Phenom II 965 uses the AM3 socket. So make sure to pick a motherboard that has a AM3 socket. Check whether the motherboard uses DDR2 or DDR3 and select the appropriate RAM.

2) A Q9550 uses the LGA 775 socket. So make sure to pick a motherboard that has a 775 socket. Check whether the motherboard uses DDR2 or DDR3 and select the appropriate RAM.

3) The i7 line uses the LGA 1366 socket. So make sure to pick a motherboard that has a 1366 socket. All 1366 motherboards use DDR3.


Any new power supply should be 'compatible' with any new system you build. The think to check is to make sure the wattage is enough. You also need to make sure you have right power connectors to run your hardware but this is only an issue if you are running 2 graphics cards and any power supply which is powerful enough to run 2 cards should have the connectors you need.

sevensix2x51
11-09-2009, 4:36 PM
ok, bear with me.. i have had my pc in its current configuration for a few years, and it runs everything that comes out.
all i have is an amd 3200+, 1gb of corsair ram (2 sticks in parallel,) 8500gt, ASUS a8n sli deluxe mb, like 5-6 80gb hdds in both ide and sata, since im a cheap***** and never could spring for the 250gb hdds when they were expensive. but i got sweet cobra cables so the 50 hdds dont burn up... all that ribbon cable can really impede airflow. :D
just get what you can afford, and as long as you keep all the bs programs off it (ie norton and itunes, kazaa) and get a good a/v like avast, youll be good to go!

5hundo
11-09-2009, 10:00 PM
No way am I buying one of those fruity white computers.

Then get a black or silver one...

minuteman
11-10-2009, 12:18 AM
I've built a number of my own PC's from scratch before, my last computer was a laptop so of course bought it. This time I looked into building one and ended up buying this http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11497536&whse=BC&Ne=4000000&eCat=BC|84|56671|74668&N=4026404&Mo=9&pos=4&No=0&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&cat=74668&Ns=P_Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&ec=BC-EC10600-Cat56671&topnav=

It comes with a 3 Ghz Phenom, 8 Gigs of memory, 1 TB harddrive and it's fast. I will be adding a better video card (for CAD and games) and may have to upgrade the power supply to do so. There was no way I could build a better system for less money, especially when you throw in buying an OEM copy of windows. The warranty is nice and Costco is easy to work with. Yes it's fun to brag to your buddies that you built it, this is just easy, fast, and cheap. Performance wise I'm sure it will do the trick (High End CAD software is very demanding on system resources)

Good Luck!

wow that is a pretty nice setup out of the box from Costco.

Barbarossa
11-17-2009, 8:59 PM
Okay now that I've spent a few more days researching I'm still scratching my head.

Here's what I'm looking at:
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727)

Now I'm trying to figure out Motherboards: (looking at these 3)
ASUS M4A78T-E AM3 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131366)
ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AM3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131402) I think this is basically the same card as above, but without on board video.
ASUS Crosshair III Formula AM3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131392) (I saw this recommended on another sight, but if you read the comments it sounds like it may ahve issues with this processor?)

I think it will all fit in that case:
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021) Picked this becasue it was a combo deal with the "M4A78T-E" Mobo.

If you all can help me narrow down the Motherboard, Next is trying to pick Ram. (DDR31600 2x2 is what I'm looking at)

Thanks :o

Barbarossa
11-19-2009, 3:33 PM
Anyone?

amd64
11-25-2009, 9:28 AM
+1 to knuckled's advice -- http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=3335581&postcount=10

P45 chipset with an oc'd Q9550 is a great price/performance combo.

Barbarossa
12-02-2009, 10:13 PM
So I bought some parts and have it physically assembled.

ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AM3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ965FBGMBOX

ASUS EAH5770/2DIS/1GD5/V2 Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600

Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case

Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s

Sony Optiarc DVD Burner with LightScribe Black 24x

So what have I learned so far?

The Mother board I have may or may not have the correct BIOS that supports this processor.

I'm fairly sure that the Power Supply I bought supports NVidia, and I have an ATI video card. (the plug for power fits :confused: )

JDay
12-03-2009, 12:35 PM
So I bought some parts and have it physically assembled.



So what have I learned so far?

The Mother board I have may or may not have the correct BIOS that supports this processor.

Should still boot up and you only have to get a BIOS update from the manufacturers support site.

I'm fairly sure that the Power Supply I bought supports NVidia, and I have an ATI video card. (the plug for power fits :confused: )

That's not brand dependent, its a specification. That power cable is for PCI Express cards that need an external power source, you're fine. Your power supply is also rated for both SLI (Nvidia) and Crossfire (ATI) for dual and triple video card configurations.

Barbarossa
12-04-2009, 7:48 AM
Well I was able to update the BIOS version and got her running, not sure how much I like Windows 7.

Now I just need to find and HDMI KVM switch.

locosway
12-04-2009, 10:01 AM
HDMI KVM switch?? O_o

Barbarossa
12-04-2009, 3:24 PM
HDMI KVM switch?? O_o

After research I'm not sure there is such a think.

I've got 2 computers with HDMI output, and 1 screen. :confused:

locosway
12-05-2009, 12:30 AM
KVM is a Keyboard Video Mouse switch. HDMI does video, but not the other two. You may look for a HDMI switch, but I have no idea if those exist either. Chances are you'll need to use a different medium for your signal than HDMI on one computer.