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bwiese
07-05-2005, 10:16 AM
I'm seeing 'factory refurb' (or 'preowned' or some similar term) Sig 226s & 229s in Shotgun News ads.

The ones I'd consider have the official blue Sig tape around the grip, and have apparently been run thru Sig in Exeter, NH for inspection and replacement of any doubtful parts. Pricing is usu $359 - $389 (excl. postage, FFL fee, DROS, etc.)

Some of these are described as in "VG+" condition; I get the idea these are LEO turn-ins from agencies who don't fire their guns a lot. I saw some examples at SHOT Show in Vegas, and have seen a few around at dealers and they don't look bad.

I am less worried about cosmeticky issues (holster wear) than frame rail wear, frame cracking, wear in pin holes, slide wear. The barrels are replacable, I just want the 'platform' itself to be good.

I don't need to really save that much $$, but buying 2 pretty good Sigs for the price of one new one is indeed cool - esp since I got hicap Sig mags for these before CA ban.

I'd probably be getting the 226 in 9mm and the 229 in 40/357.

<LI>What do I watch out for in used Sig 22Xs? <LI>How much % lifespan is lost on these guns?
<LI>What small parts should I replace just for heckofit?

Bill Wiese
San Jose

C.G.
07-05-2005, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by bwiese:
I'm seeing 'factory refurb' (or 'preowned' or some similar term) Sig 226s & 229s in Shotgun News ads.

The ones I'd consider have the official blue Sig tape around the grip, and have apparently been run thru Sig in Exeter, NH for inspection and replacement of any doubtful parts. Pricing is usu $359 - $389 (excl. postage, FFL fee, DROS, etc.)

Some of these are described as in "VG+" condition; I get the idea these are LEO turn-ins from agencies who don't fire their guns a lot. I saw some examples at SHOT Show in Vegas, and have seen a few around at dealers and they don't look bad.

I am less worried about cosmeticky issues (holster wear) than frame rail wear, frame cracking, wear in pin holes, slide wear. The barrels are replacable, I just want the 'platform' itself to be good.

I don't need to really save that much $$, but buying 2 pretty good Sigs for the price of one new one is indeed cool - esp since I got hicap Sig mags for these before CA ban.

I'd probably be getting the 226 in 9mm and the 229 in 40/357.

<LI>What do I watch out for in used Sig 22Xs? <LI>How much % lifespan is lost on these guns?
<LI>What small parts should I replace just for heckofit?

Bill Wiese
San Jose
Bill, I am looking for those two myself, although unless I see the gun first I will probably buy new (Ordnance Outsellers 226R or 229R $669) After shooting my friend"s 226, I like it better than my Beretta 92 Brigadier and this week I'll go shoot the 229 in 40 to see if I like it. You might want to read this thread about factory refurbs from On Point Firearms on Sigforum (http://sigforum.com/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/733108403)

bwiese
07-05-2005, 11:41 AM
CG,

Thanks. I'd be happy if the slide+frame were in primo condition, other stuff is nickel & dime.

Will look further into this..

Maybe Dr. Lunde, our resident Sig-ite, will pipe up...

Bill Wiese
San Jose

crank
07-05-2005, 11:50 AM
I have been gunsmithing for quite a few years and the only "failure" of a Sig/Sauer that I ever encountered was a 220 that had in excess of 200,000rds and aside from looking like a refugee from a cyclone it had a crack on the lower left side of the mag well. This occurred after an encounter with concrete that also wiped out the grip, magazine and the screw. It still worked and was comfortably loose at the slide/frame area, but no complaints from the owner regarding accuracy or reliabilty. The damage was quickly bent out and a nice set of grips put on (took away a lot of character though.) I don't know if it ever really got repaired but I do know it perked along for quite a while after that. The simple fact is that most of todays handguns are using proven alloys and aluminum is not the problem it once was. I think you will find that most serious handgunners won't ever really wear out a handgun in a normal lifetime (barring abuse and neglect) I won't say that Sigs can't break or wear out but in the past 20 years I only saw that one disabled and it was quickly fixed. Take any opinions as long as they are based on first hand accounts, not one of those "freinds brother got lost and heard it from a gas station attendant that had an uncle in the canadian airforce who flew over germany once and said they are all junk because we kicked their *** 60 years ago and never got back on their feet-so it must be true!" I apologize for the soapbox but I am just that way.

C.G.
07-05-2005, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by bwiese:
CG,

Thanks. I'd be happy if the slide+frame were in primo condition, other stuff is nickel & dime.

Will look further into this..

Maybe Dr. Lunde, our resident Sig-ite, will pipe up...

Bill Wiese
San Jose
The slide might be a problem from what I've read on SigSauer's website about refurbs. It would be a crapshoot whether the slide would have holster wear or not.

bwiese
07-05-2005, 12:45 PM
CG,

The slide might be a problem from what I've read on SigSauer's website about refurbs. It would be a crapshoot whether the slide would have holster wear or not.

Holster wear & surface conditions are not big issues. These guns'll be shooters. Slide/rail fit, wear, etc. are what I wonder about.

The 2-for-1 pricing is still attractive http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Bill Wiese
San Jose

C.G.
07-05-2005, 2:01 PM
Originally posted by bwiese:
CG,

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The slide might be a problem from what I've read on SigSauer's website about refurbs. It would be a crapshoot whether the slide would have holster wear or not.

Holster wear & surface conditions are not big issues. These guns'll be shooters. Slide/rail fit, wear, etc. are what I wonder about.

The 2-for-1 pricing is still attractive http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Bill Wiese
San Jose </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
In that case you will do fine. You have probably read this, but here is the link to Sigs Sig Certified pre-owned handguns (http://www.sigarms.com/products/certified-pre-owned.asp)
You also might do search on Sigforum (http://sigforum.com/eve/ubb.x/a/frm/f/430601935) if you haven't already done so; I haven't read about many problems with either used or factory certified Sigs.

imported_1911_sfca
07-05-2005, 2:32 PM
If you don't care about cosmetics then you will do fine. Sig does a thorough check of the internals and guarantees that it'll work fine -- if not, return it to them and they'll fix it.

the certified pre-owneds I've seen usually have a little bit of play in the slide/frame/barrel, but for a shooter, go for it. Sigs are awesome and great heavy-duty shooters.

bwiese
07-05-2005, 3:30 PM
Originally posted by San Francisco, 1911:
the certified pre-owneds I've seen usually have a little bit of play in the slide/frame/barrel, but for a shooter, go for it.

Well I was hoping to get good tight bbl-to-slide fit, that's the thing....


Bill W.
San Jose

s281c
07-05-2005, 3:34 PM
Some of the CPO's I've seen were refinished, and the frame to slide fit did vary, some were very tight others were a little sloppy.

Heh, shake 'em all and choose the tightest...... http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

bwiese
07-05-2005, 3:59 PM
Originally posted by S281c:
Heh, shake 'em all and choose the tightest...... http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hard to do when you're ordering from an SGN ad and having it sent to your FFL http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Bill W
San Jose

s281c
07-05-2005, 4:14 PM
Originally posted by bwiese:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by S281c:
Heh, shake 'em all and choose the tightest...... http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hard to do when you're ordering from an SGN ad and having it sent to your FFL http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Bill W
San Jose </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

opps missed that........you're right then it's a crapshoot...........

slowjon
07-05-2005, 7:19 PM
THis will make you sick. A few years ago, my dad was going to buy me a police trade in P226. When the Sig rep saw the condition they were in (they had come from NYPD), she sent my dad a brand new P226 for the price of the trade-in. It's been a great weapon. Good luck in your search.

gimmejr
07-05-2005, 8:43 PM
Havent heard of SGN, are they online? I know CDNN has good prices but those bastards wont ship to cali.
I really like my Sigs, 225, 229, 220 and 226. Im considering selling my 226 because im not into fullsize 9mm it seems and Iv reached the limit of my tiny safe. Have to wait 8 more days to pick up my glock 30 at gun exchange. dangit

bwiese
07-05-2005, 10:13 PM
Gimme...

"SGN" = Shotgun News. Several vendors advertising there in fullpage display ads are offering factory reconditioned trade-in Sigs for $380ish (before tax, FFL fee, etc.)

Bill W
San Jose

C.G.
07-05-2005, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by gimmejr:
Havent heard of SGN, are they online? I know CDNN has good prices but those bastards wont ship to cali.
I really like my Sigs, 225, 229, 220 and 226. Im considering selling my 226 because im not into fullsize 9mm it seems and Iv reached the limit of my tiny safe. Have to wait 8 more days to pick up my glock 30 at gun exchange. dangit
Just got back from shooting the 229 in .40 and eventhough I liked the grip, I was nowhere as accurate with it as with the 226 in either 9 or .40. I will probably get a used model instead of new. So Bill, if you wouldn't mind sharing with us who and where SGN is, we would appreciate it.
Look at that! http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif, you've must have read my mind. Two posts at the same time!

leo@csuhayward.edu
07-08-2005, 4:49 AM
if it's as SIG certified one, they claim they strip and R&R parts that need replacing...

put a nice blue band around grip and sells it to ya...

jnojr
07-11-2005, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by bwiese:
"SGN" = Shotgun News. Several vendors advertising there in fullpage display ads are offering factory reconditioned trade-in Sigs for $380ish (before tax, FFL fee, etc.)

Could anyone post some names, URLs, phone numbers, etc.? I can't find a SGN to save my life...

bwiese
07-11-2005, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by jnojr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bwiese:
"SGN" = Shotgun News. Several vendors advertising there in fullpage display ads are offering factory reconditioned trade-in Sigs for $380ish (before tax, FFL fee, etc.)

Could anyone post some names, URLs, phone numbers, etc.? I can't find a SGN to save my life... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


No SGN at hand now. But as I recall, KY Imports in Kentucky and J&G Sales in AZ (Prescott?) were two of the folks with multipage ads listing used handguns.

Oh, do SPECIFICALLY ASK when you order that these are the blue-band Sig factory-refinished ones. There could be some vendors selling Sigs from police trade-ins that didn't go thru Sig for refurb/repair.

Prices are around $370-$380 for Sig 220, Sig 226 and Sig 229. Can't remember what caliber choices 226s were in, certainly 9mm, maybe 40.

All but the 220 come w/hicap mags so since those are illegal in CA you might be able to do some negotiating on price.

BE NICE TO YOUR FFL - DON'T HAVE GUN(S) YOU'VE ORDERED COME INTO CA w/ANY HICAP MAGAZINES.

Bill Wiese
San Jose

gimmejr
07-11-2005, 2:28 PM
Originally posted by bwiese:

Prices are around $370-$380 for Sig 220, Sig 226 and Sig 229. Can't remember what caliber choices 226s were in, certainly 9mm, maybe 40.



Still have that 226 9mm in the classifieds neighbor, just a reminder http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Turbinator
07-13-2005, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by bwiese:
All but the 220 come w/hicap mags so since those are illegal in CA you might be able to do some negotiating on price.

SIG 225's don't come with hicaps http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Turby

bwiese
07-13-2005, 1:58 PM
Oh, I forgot about the 225s

There aren't that many about - and at least my pre-CA-ban logic was, if not hicap, go for 45ACP.

Every once in awhile, CDNN had _new_ batches of 225s for $399.

Bill Wiese
San Jose

BigAL
07-13-2005, 3:02 PM
Got 10K through my P228. Plenty of wear on the finish but mechanically still good. Barrel locks up in the slide just as strong as when i bought it. The frame rails also show wear, but it gets to a point and then pretty much stops.

rawny@mac.com
07-13-2005, 3:50 PM
I just picked up an issue of SGN(July 18th). Did not see any ads with pre-own Sigs priced like CDNN's. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif A different issue, perhaps?

bwiese
07-13-2005, 4:11 PM
Rawny...

This was probably a later May to mid-June issue - dunno what's currently in the reading rack by the john http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Keep checking. SGN comes out 3X month, and some guys just advertise once or twice per month.

They could, indeed, have sold outta these too.

Bill Wiese
San Jose

rawny@mac.com
07-15-2005, 6:12 AM
How about letting us know who the vendor is, so we can all inquire about them? http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TannerBoyl
07-19-2005, 6:50 AM
bwiese,

I purchased a SIG CPO P226R in 357SIG from [url=http://www.ordnanceoutsellers.com)Ordnance Outsellers[/url] earlier this year. When I found out that James at OO had one, I had to get it.

It did have some wear on the slide. When I broke it down, the internals looked brand new. The barrel didn't have any wear marks at all. As far as I can tell, it was a demo gun.

When I racked the slide, it was a lot stiffer than I thought it would be. I'd owned a P229 and a P239 (both in .40S&W/3567SIG) and neither of them were as tough to rack. After breaking the pistol in, it got easier. This makes me think that it had never been shot or very rarely.

After 1k rounds of 357SIG and .40S&W (I traded some stuff for a .40S&W barrel) I have yet to see a failure of any kind. I have complete faith in the stainless milled slides that SIG is using with their newer P226s and P229s.

It's been said before, but I really believe this pistol will outlast me.

Shameless Bragging

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v177/TannerBoyl/Pistols/100-0052_IMG.jpg

The SIG CPO P226R.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v177/TannerBoyl/Pistols/P226R.jpg

Surfire M3 light purchased later.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v177/TannerBoyl/Pistols/100-0042_IMG.jpg

The P226R and a little P239.

forty5r@yahoo.com
07-20-2005, 8:06 PM
Originally posted by bwiese:
I'm seeing 'factory refurb' (or 'preowned' or some similar term) Sig 226s & 229s in Shotgun News ads.

The ones I'd consider have the official blue Sig tape around the grip, and have apparently been run thru Sig in Exeter, NH for inspection and replacement of any doubtful parts. Pricing is usu $359 - $389 (excl. postage, FFL fee, DROS, etc.)

Some of these are described as in "VG+" condition; I get the idea these are LEO turn-ins from agencies who don't fire their guns a lot. I saw some examples at SHOT Show in Vegas, and have seen a few around at dealers and they don't look bad.

I am less worried about cosmeticky issues (holster wear) than frame rail wear, frame cracking, wear in pin holes, slide wear. The barrels are replacable, I just want the 'platform' itself to be good.

I don't need to really save that much $$, but buying 2 pretty good Sigs for the price of one new one is indeed cool - esp since I got hicap Sig mags for these before CA ban.

I'd probably be getting the 226 in 9mm and the 229 in 40/357.

<LI>What do I watch out for in used Sig 22Xs? <LI>How much % lifespan is lost on these guns?
<LI>What small parts should I replace just for heckofit?

Bill Wiese
San Jose

I recently purchased a Used Sig 226 from River City Gun Exchange.

This is what I looked for when I purchased mine.

Roll pins
Check the frame rails for shiny spots
Trigger, some triggers are better than others
Check barrel for excessive Sig Smileys.
Shiny spots on the anodized frame.
Slide to frame fit, rattle (some Sigs are very loose but will shoot every tight groups)

I dont worry about the finish on the slide as long as the internals look good. Also do a function check with the decocker.

Sigs are very reliable handguns. I don't think twice about buying them used.

stillbigmac
07-22-2005, 8:04 PM
I buy these for my store when I can. The last 220 I got was BRAND NEW. The thing was never used more than a test fire. It had night sights, two mags and a Factory Warrenty. Under 500 bucks!

Some punk *** stole it. One of the guys plead guilty today http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

icormba
07-22-2005, 9:06 PM
Originally posted by stillbigbac:
One of the guys plead guilty today http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

good! http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
wonder what he'll get?

p.s. wouldn't mind having a 220!

buddyRoland
08-05-2005, 8:01 PM
Ordnance Outsellers are tops. If I couldn't get such good deals at the Marine Corps Exchange here in Quantico, VA, James at Ordnance Outsellers would get my call.

Turbinator
08-06-2005, 1:15 AM
Originally posted by stillbigbac:
I buy these for my store when I can. The last 220 I got was BRAND NEW. The thing was never used more than a test fire. It had night sights, two mags and a Factory Warrenty. Under 500 bucks!

Hey.. next time you get a deal like that for your store, how about sharing with us? For under $500, that's a STEAL for a SIG 220 in that (reconditioned) condition!

Turby

buddyRoland
08-21-2005, 1:36 PM
Some Sigs are loose from the factory. My 229R and 226 both are not as tight as my 239 and 228 but all shoot accurately. The slide to frame fit seems to change from gun to gun but has no bearing on longevity or accuracy.