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CA_Libertarian
11-04-2009, 11:27 AM
In case you weren't aware, at this very moment, one of our fellow Californians is on trial. Thesues needs our support, and for most of us the only way to do this is financially.

My goal is to give his defense fund a $5,000 boost in one day. I think this is a modest goal.

As many of you already know, the CalGuns Foundation is facilitating donations to this cause. Any excess funds not used for Thesues' case will be donated to CGF.

Please visit my thread over on OpenCarry.org for more information about the case: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum66/33669.html

If you want to go directly to the donation website hosted by CGF, please click the following link: http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/component/content/article/36-current-legal-cases/67-donate-to-theseus-open-carry-case

Liberty1
11-04-2009, 11:51 AM
Thanks for the thread!

In for $100.00 conf. 76979848PJ7267***

putput
11-04-2009, 12:01 PM
$20 is all I can give right now since the house needs a new roof and property taxes are due. Anyway, this is a case worth fighting and winning.

CA_Libertarian
11-04-2009, 12:01 PM
A sticky would be very much appreciated.

Also wanted to add, as mentioned in the thread over on OpenCarry.org I donated $10, and will make another $10 donation if we reach $5,000 within 24 hours. (Don't laugh, I've been unemployed since January, so that's the best I can do right now!)

To show my appreciation, I'm also pledging to donate $10 to CGF's general fund, with an addition $10 if we hit our goal. (Though I'll have to wait until next month before I can actually make these donations.)

caoboy
11-04-2009, 12:03 PM
Maybe this will help get rid of the 1k feet limits...

CA_Libertarian
11-04-2009, 12:04 PM
No need to be shy about "small" donations. Hell, if only half of the members here and at OpenCarry.org donated only $5, we would easily hit our goal.

Every little bit helps, and I'm certain that every donation is greatly appreciated.

(Perhaps I should add that I do not represent Thesues in any way; in fact, I've never met him. I just see a courageous man in need, and am doing what I would hope others would do for me if I were in his shoes.)

Liberty1
11-04-2009, 12:05 PM
Only on appeal and only after incorporation and even then it would be a hard expensive fight.

freonr22
11-04-2009, 12:10 PM
I am Broke right now, but if someone want to donate $25, I will give them 3 boxes of pmc 223 from about 10years ago. in San Jose

sepiid
11-04-2009, 12:21 PM
donated 10$ conf 1DK87950GD7059***
that is all i can spare, gotta buy diapers etc... still this month!

freonr22
11-04-2009, 12:23 PM
donations through gunpal right?

walkstep
11-04-2009, 12:28 PM
Good luck!! 7L203193P5190***

GrizzlyGuy
11-04-2009, 12:36 PM
I just donated. Good luck Theseus!

ldivinag
11-04-2009, 12:38 PM
ok... 1 less lap dance this week... :(



lol.......

DarkGT
11-04-2009, 12:39 PM
In for $25 Confirmation number: 11017512FS7562***

Best of luck to you with your case. Sometimes the line between prosecution and financial terrorism in cases like this gets blurry...

Maestro Pistolero
11-04-2009, 12:46 PM
Open Carry doesn't do GunPal? Their link goes to paypal. I would like to use Gunpal from now on whenever possible.

Liberty1
11-04-2009, 12:49 PM
Open Carry doesn't do GunPal? Their link goes to paypal. I would like to use Gunpal from now on whenever possible.

It's a Calguns Foundation donation link.

Seesm
11-04-2009, 1:28 PM
Open carry should get set up with gunpal...

mej16489
11-04-2009, 2:06 PM
Open Carry doesn't do GunPal? Their link goes to paypal. I would like to use Gunpal from now on whenever possible.

The link goes to calguns foundation...which links to paypal

Could we get a GunPal link for donations to Theseus?

xxdabroxx
11-04-2009, 2:09 PM
The link goes to calguns foundation...which links to paypal

Could we get a GunPal link for donations to Theseus?

Support our own!

Liberty1
11-04-2009, 2:12 PM
The link goes to calguns foundation...which links to paypal

Could we get a GunPal link for donations to Theseus?

I'm sure at some point it will be added http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/component/content/article/36-current-legal-cases/67-donate-to-theseus-open-carry-case

In the mean time...give what you can.

lgm118icbm
11-04-2009, 2:50 PM
$40 bucks donated.

Go get em!

6172crew
11-04-2009, 3:05 PM
A sticky would be very much appreciated.



Im not sure this one will hit the bottom for a few days. If you need a stick Im sure we can do it but I dont think its needed.:)

aileron
11-04-2009, 3:31 PM
I got laid off little over a month ago but donated regardless.

Good luck Thesues.

383green
11-04-2009, 3:37 PM
$100 inbound.

mmartin
11-04-2009, 3:38 PM
Thesues, best luck.
in for $100. 3RK697106J0...
megan

bodger
11-04-2009, 3:52 PM
$25 is now in the kitty from me. I was going to order food in tonight, instead, I'm giving that amount to Theseus' defense. Trader Joe's here I come.

Good luck Theseus!

MudCamper
11-04-2009, 4:03 PM
There is no option to pay with GunPal! Only PayPal. Yuck!

http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/component/content/article/36-current-legal-cases/67-donate-to-theseus-open-carry-case

Artherd, can you get a GunPal option on this page asap?

JaMail
11-04-2009, 4:47 PM
donated 5.00, wouldnt it be great if we could get 1000 people to donate 5.00 every week or two to some deserving gun case, get this on some of the non california boards, get 100k gun owners to donate 1.00 at the drop of a hat to deserving cases.

xxdabroxx
11-04-2009, 5:17 PM
10.00 6FW20898J51298...

HowardW56
11-04-2009, 5:32 PM
I'll admit, that UOC is a is a controversial issue that is I believe is best avoided right now, letís let some of the current cases shake out.

That being said, I'm not going to let another Calgunner be destroyed by overzealous, politically motivated, prosecution...

Itís not much, but I'm in for $25.00....


GOOD LUCK!

redisputed
11-04-2009, 5:40 PM
$25 7072358663

Good Luck

BigBamBoo
11-04-2009, 6:38 PM
............

NovaTodd
11-04-2009, 7:06 PM
In for $20
Confirmation 7072358663

croc4
11-04-2009, 7:08 PM
just sent off $50

Best of luck

Croc4

bodger
11-04-2009, 7:44 PM
How much so far?

oldrifle
11-04-2009, 8:25 PM
If you want to donate using GunPal, just send a payment to donate@calgunsfoundation.org through your GunPal account.

Put "Theseus Defense Fund" in the comments box so they know what it's for.

Spiker
11-04-2009, 8:30 PM
Donated $25. I've been sitting on the sidelines too long.

Best of luck!

agenttokyo
11-04-2009, 10:03 PM
+$25

locosway
11-04-2009, 10:47 PM
So, umm....





How do I pay with cash?

CA_Libertarian
11-05-2009, 1:09 AM
How much so far?

Good question... I forgot to ask everyone who donates to post the amount they're giving in the thread so i could get a tally. Most did, it appears.

From my count, it's about $1200 (not including those who didn't state their donation amount, and not including those who may have donated and simply not posted at all).

Oh, and not including posts from OpenCarry.org

So, I guess the answer is... I don't know... perhaps someone with CGF has easy access to an official number...

CA_Libertarian
11-05-2009, 1:11 AM
So, umm....

How do I pay with cash?

There's the option to send check/money order via mail. They might also accept cash, but it's a little more risky to send via mail.

Just make sure you include a note that it's for Thesues' case.

bruss01
11-05-2009, 7:45 AM
I donated $10 even though times are tight for us right now (wife not working at all this past year).

I have mixed feelings about the case. Yes, I think the law is wrong, and I think it is being wrongly applied (in terms of justice) in this case. However, it does make for a stark reminder that if one is going to open your mouth (or display an openly worn firearm as a show of making a political statement) then you have to be smarter and sharper than your opposition, and make sure you are 100% legal 100% of the time, or eventually they will have you over this sort of barrel.

Good luck Mr. T and I hope blind justice manages to come up with an acorn on your behalf!

(obscure reference to that old slogan "Even a blind sow can find an acorn once in a while")

MudCamper
11-05-2009, 8:07 AM
If you want to donate using GunPal, just send a payment to donate@calgunsfoundation.org through your GunPal account.

Put "Theseus Defense Fund" in the comments box so they know what it's for.

Yes, I know, but IMO there really should be a GunPal option listed on that page.

Bump for another $100.

GrizzlyGuy
11-05-2009, 8:40 AM
Good question... I forgot to ask everyone who donates to post the amount they're giving in the thread so i could get a tally. Most did, it appears.

Oops, I didn't. Mine was for $50, confirmation code=98A58390V2943351K

CA_Libertarian
11-05-2009, 10:36 AM
...you have to be smarter and sharper than your opposition, and make sure you are 100% legal 100% of the time, or eventually they will have you over this sort of barrel...

Thesues was 100% legal 100% of the time. This is simply a case of an activist DA trying to get an activist judge to re-write the law to create a new crime.

In any case, thank you for your contribution. In this state, who knows which of us might be the next target of the gun-grabbers that be. I find it reassuring to know there are people out there who are willing to make sacrifices to help out their fellow man.

inbox485
11-05-2009, 6:12 PM
I have mixed feelings about the case. Yes, I think the law is wrong, and I think it is being wrongly applied (in terms of justice) in this case. However, it does make for a stark reminder that if one is going to open your mouth (or display an openly worn firearm as a show of making a political statement) then you have to be smarter and sharper than your opposition, and make sure you are 100% legal 100% of the time, or eventually they will have you over this sort of barrel.

I think the important thing to remember in this case is that Theseus was legal 100% of the time. A DA has decided to crusade against gun owners and has found a judge with zero respect for rule of law that is willing to change to law enough to charge an innocent man. They both know it will either be tossed out by the jury or by an appeals court, but the damage will have been done financially. There is a special place in the far depths of hell for the both of them.

demnogis
11-05-2009, 7:09 PM
Donated $50 yesterday, after payday tomorrow donating another $50.

Theseus needs to win this case. If not, it will set bad case precedence in regards to the private property exemption in 626.9.

jmlivingston
11-05-2009, 7:17 PM
Thread's stickied. Like 'Crew said earlier, it probably doesn't need it but I did it anyway. :) One of us will unstick it in a day or two.

John

CA_Libertarian
11-05-2009, 10:24 PM
Thanks to all that contributed. I don't think we made it to the $5,000 goal. However, I'm very happy with the turnout. Considering this was impromptu and mid-week, I think we did good!

Thanks again to those that donated, and to those I'm sure will see this the next day or two and donate after the deadline.

I'll still be sending another $10 to the cause, plus $20 next month to CGF's general fund.

BTW, there's some good play-by-play of day one of the hearing posted over on OpenCarry.org thanks to "coolusername". Start at the bottom of page 6 (http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum12/31135-6.html).

locosway
11-05-2009, 10:25 PM
Good luck... I only have cash on me and I don't know how to get cash to anyone.

demnogis
11-06-2009, 1:57 PM
Another $50 donated, conf 18094722K80652431.

JaMail
11-06-2009, 2:36 PM
so how much did we raise? had to have been damn close to 5k, with all the people putting in 100's

vladbutsky
11-06-2009, 3:13 PM
$100

Transaction Details (GUNPAL Transaction ID: 7ED1480900)

Payment Sent To: The Calguns Foundation (finance@calgunsfoundation.org)
Status: Transaction has been successfully Completed

Comments: Theseus Defense Fund

anthonyca
11-06-2009, 3:41 PM
Bump for $50. Conf #3DG545819G2378***

Johnny Diablo
11-06-2009, 4:05 PM
$30 7ED1481F4C

CitaDeL
11-07-2009, 6:45 AM
Money order inbound by mail.

bodger
11-07-2009, 9:31 AM
Another $25 going out today. And more next week when I do my mid-month job billing.

Keep this going folks, we can't risk Theseus losing his appeal due to lack of funding counsel.

Theseus got put on a greased rail to a guilty verdict by a DA and a judge who cared more about making a point and swatting an "activist" than they did upholding the law and rendering genuine justice.

This hurts everyone, and not just gunnies.

Fill up this war chest!!

Theseus
11-07-2009, 10:41 AM
Just a quick note. My appeal will be handled by a court appointed attorney. At this point the defense fund will pay my outstanding bill with Bruce.

As much as we can get that filled the better. He worked hard on this case even if you think he might have not done something right. He wasn't the only one in charge of making a decision. . . I was there too. trust me when I say that Bruce did good by me.

As for the judge and DA, I believe that they both truly did what they believed to be their job. The judge made what I believe to be by him, proper legal decisions. It does no one any good to call them names or berate them personally.

What we can do is help make this good case law that is enforceable against judges like mine so that this won't happen to anyone else.

Also, on another note. . . I won't be able to post any of the transcripts and such until at least sentencing.

bruss01
11-07-2009, 10:52 AM
Thesues was 100% legal 100% of the time. This is simply a case of an activist DA trying to get an activist judge to re-write the law to create a new crime.

Unless I am in complete misunderstanding of the case, he was within 1000 feet of a school with a firearm, but did not realize that fact. That is technically illegal, isn't it? And ignorance of the law (or of where you gun happens to be in relation to the school) is no excuse? The only defense I see to the facts is whether he could have "reasonably" known where the school was, and it seems there is a lot of room for a DA to make a case there, such as, if you don't know where the schools are, don't go toting a gun around. <shrug> Is that your definition of 100% legal, to be arguably "right" (and equally arguably wrong) in a grey area? To me 100% legal means beyond all doubt, unarguably in the right. If you are 100% legal you will never be charged at all, anything else, you get charged, and it's up to a judge and jury to hash it out. For instance, I can unarguably walk down the street chewing bubble gum and blowing bubbles. No law against it, so if I got arrested for that it would be laughed out of court 5 minutes into the preliminary hearing because I was 100% unarguably legal.

By all means, feel free to correct me on any misunderstandings if you can do it clearly and concisely, without a lot of irrelevant window-dressing or slanting the facts to favor a particular point of view. I know the case has been discussed ad nauseum here but I'm not about to sift through 2000 pages of posts to find all the details that can be written up in a paragraph and a half, to find one small subtle point on which I may be misinformed.

Theseus
11-07-2009, 10:57 AM
This has been explained plenty of times in the regular thread. Keep this the fund raising thread please.

Unless I am in complete misunderstanding of the case, he was within 1000 feet of a school with a firearm, but did not realize that fact. That is technically illegal, isn't it? And ignorance of the law (or of where you gun happens to be in relation to the school) is no excuse? The only defense I see to the facts is whether he could have "reasonably" known where the school was, and it seems there is a lot of room for a DA to make a case there, such as, if you don't know where the schools are, don't go toting a gun around. <shrug> Is that your definition of 100% legal, to be arguably "right" (and equally arguably wrong) in a grey area? To me 100% legal means beyond all doubt, unarguably in the right. If you are 100% legal you will never be charged at all, anything else, you get charged, and it's up to a judge and jury to hash it out. For instance, I can unarguably walk down the street chewing bubble gum and blowing bubbles. No law against it, so if I got arrested for that it would be laughed out of court 5 minutes into the preliminary hearing because I was 100% unarguably legal.

By all means, feel free to correct me on any misunderstandings if you can do it clearly and concisely, without a lot of irrelevant window-dressing or slanting the facts to favor a particular point of view.

Beatone
11-07-2009, 1:35 PM
50.00 sent. Confirmation #1PE16750SS2238221

bruss01
11-07-2009, 5:36 PM
This has been explained plenty of times in the regular thread. Keep this the fund raising thread please.

Sorry for the drift. By way of apology, I'll send another $10 contribution on my next payday. Anyone who wants to answer me can send a PM. Fight the good fight, carry on.

Fot
11-25-2009, 9:39 AM
60393881GH4972936 $10

Money tight with work slow downs around the Holidays

Timberline
11-25-2009, 5:00 PM
Can someone please correct the misspelled name in the thread title?

JTecalo
11-25-2009, 5:18 PM
$10 by gunpal

CA_Libertarian
11-29-2009, 4:21 AM
Better late than never! Thanks for the donation!

Even though I don't believe we made the $5,000 mark, I'm still donating another $10 to Theseus's case, as well as matching my total $20 with donations to CalGuns Foundation.

Thanks again to all who donated, and again to CGF for facilitating the donations for this case.

Trigger Guard
12-01-2009, 6:28 PM
In for $10 Confirmation number: 6XE70481WN6681016

emtnsocali
12-12-2009, 4:15 PM
any word on how things are going for him????

emtnsocali
12-12-2009, 4:19 PM
Confirmation number: 1KS10300XH665070R for $25

Beatone
12-12-2009, 4:31 PM
any word on how things are going for him????

Check here http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=142379&page=71
Post #707.

freedomtools
01-06-2010, 9:55 AM
sent $25 paypal

xxdabroxx
01-06-2010, 11:39 AM
is theseus going to appeal?

inbox485
01-06-2010, 12:50 PM
is theseus going to appeal?

As far as I've heard he is preparing it already.

Theseus
01-07-2010, 11:07 PM
Appeal filed.

At this point all donations through Calguns does nothing for my future case and only pays my exhaustive legal bill from the trial. If you are donating take that into consideration. Any money to my dfense fund at this point will not make my appeal any smoother and might be better donated toward Calguns Foundation.

I appreciate the support until now. . . but the best support I can have right now is a members sponsored shoot in Nevada where I can once again feel the love of cold steel or aluminum on my hands. I would love to be able to fire a firearm again...

Liberty1
01-08-2010, 1:05 AM
Good luck and God Speed...

inbox485
01-08-2010, 12:23 PM
I just noticed in Cooley's motion to suppress mistake of fact that apparently he thinks the GFSZ is 1000 yards!

Also your pages from the answer appear to be scrambled. 1st page appears correct. Following pages are from other motions.

artherd
01-09-2010, 7:24 PM
Keep donating anyway - this is a brother in arms who's done nothing wrong yet got convicted anyway.

Brief summary: Theseus was in a public area of private property. Private Property is exempted from the law. The judge was too stupid to realize this and found against him anyway.

Theseus was legal.

boxbro
02-18-2010, 9:23 AM
Keep donating anyway - this is a brother in arms who's done nothing wrong yet got convicted anyway.

Brief summary: Theseus was in a public area of private property. Private Property is exempted from the law. The judge was too stupid to realize this and found against him anyway.

Theseus was legal.

I don't think the judge was too stupid, I think he was probably just too bias.
If that is the case, he is not fit to be a judge.

bodger
07-05-2010, 9:55 AM
Appeal filed.

At this point all donations through Calguns does nothing for my future case and only pays my exhaustive legal bill from the trial. If you are donating take that into consideration. Any money to my dfense fund at this point will not make my appeal any smoother and might be better donated toward Calguns Foundation.

I appreciate the support until now. . . but the best support I can have right now is a members sponsored shoot in Nevada where I can once again feel the love of cold steel or aluminum on my hands. I would love to be able to fire a firearm again...

I searched a lot of the Theseus threads and did not find an answer so I've revived this thread.

What is the status of Theseus' appeal? It's of particular interest to me and probably to others as well since McDonald went our way.

Any update?

Maestro Pistolero
07-05-2010, 11:15 AM
I really would like to see this resolved in his favor. Ditto any updates?

Liberty1
07-05-2010, 11:20 AM
My understanding is that only the administrative appeals process has begun (basically the intent to appeal). There have been no filings or anything else we can read about yet.

bodger
07-05-2010, 11:48 AM
I hope Theseus updates and there is an opportunity to donate to the cause.