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professionalcoyotehunter
11-04-2009, 11:09 AM
I was thinking of trading y Mini14 for a .22-250. Is this a smart move? Will it handle killing coyotes? Is it a better caliber since the round is a lot faster? Is it legal to hunt with in LA couny since it is not a rimfire? What is the max effective range? Will it hold tighter groups? Can it handle high winds better? Is the ammo more costly?

Thanks in advance!

Dirtbiker
11-04-2009, 11:31 AM
The factory-loaded .22-250 Remington can propel a 55 grain (3.56 g) spitzer bullet at 3,680 ft/s (1122 m/s) with 1,654 ft·lbf (2,243 J) of energy [4]. Many other loads with lighter bullets are used to achieve velocities of over 4,000 ft/s (1,219 m/s), while still having effective energy for use in hunting small game and medium sized predators.

It is particularly popular in the western states of the USA where high winds often hinder the effectiveness of other varmint rounds in prairie dog hunting. Many states in the USA have minimum caliber restrictions limiting the use of this cartridge on larger game such as deer, although some states do allow the cartridge to be used for big game.

professionalcoyotehunter
11-04-2009, 11:33 AM
Thanks for the info. It is truly a tough decision for me. I love the Mini. But I really love accuracy a lot more which is why I am leaning towards the .22-250.

CD3
11-04-2009, 11:45 AM
The 22-250 is a great song dog round, but, and there's always a but, I say keep the mini 14 and buy a 22-250. Finding 223 ammo is easy and finding 22-250 can be hard if you leave it at home ( not that I've ever done that ). If your looking for long range shooting ( or anything past 150yds ) the mini 14 is not the gun ( especially mine ) I would buy the 22-250. I just bought the stevens 200 in a 22-250 for my son, and this rifle supprised me on how it well shoots. He's getting sub MOA groups at 100yds and for a rifle that costs $319.00 thats great!

professionalcoyotehunter
11-04-2009, 11:51 AM
that is great to hear for your sons motivation. I think I will sell the MINI to get the cash to buy a bolt action .223 and have the .22-250.

johnrunner89
11-04-2009, 11:52 AM
As long as the cartridge is centerfire and not rimfire, you shouldn't have any problems hunting with it.

professionalcoyotehunter
11-04-2009, 11:53 AM
That is what I thought. I know LA county states no .22's but I think it is for rimfires only.

5hundo
11-04-2009, 11:54 AM
22-250 is one of the most accurate .22 caliber cartridges on earth. It is a very nice round.

If you reload, you can obtain 1/2" groups at 100yds with a 22-250 bolt gun and the right optics. My stepbrother used to do 5 round groups with his Browning and all of the bullets would be touching...

When I get around to a Mauser project (which is on my list, actually) I want to build a 22-250. That's way down on the "priority list" for the moment but one day...

professionalcoyotehunter
11-04-2009, 11:58 AM
I hear these things are tack drivers. I just want to make sure I can put a coyote down humanely with it.

5hundo
11-04-2009, 12:08 PM
I hear these things are tack drivers. I just want to make sure I can put a coyote down humanely with it.

More so than with a .223, actually. It flies faster and has more energy than a .223 that your mini-14 would be firing.

professionalcoyotehunter
11-04-2009, 12:13 PM
Even though they are smaller grain bullets than the .223?

Adrien
11-04-2009, 12:16 PM
You can put a lot more than a Coyote with a 22-250. I've killed hogs with mine and I know they can drop deer no problem.

Adrien

professionalcoyotehunter
11-04-2009, 12:22 PM
I will stick to my .30-06 for hogs and deer for now but I dont doubt it can be done with it with the proper placement. I just would not want to risk it.

Fjold
11-04-2009, 12:25 PM
The bad thing about the 22.250 is that the spec barrel twist is 1 turn in 14" (some are 1:12") which limits you to 55-60 grain bullets on the heavy end. Under 400 yards and on calm days this combo is devastating on coyotes.

If you have to stretch out on longer ranges or the winds come up heavily you need to look at other options. Savage has a 1:9" twist 22.250 that lets you shoot the 75+ grain bullets and really make a long range coyote killer out of it.

I just had a 26", PacNor Supermatch 1:10" twist barrel put on one of my Savage 22.250's to shoot 70 grain loads for long range varminting.

professionalcoyotehunter
11-04-2009, 12:28 PM
Most of my shots for coyotes are closer than 100 yards so I am not to worried about mong shots. The one I got Saturday was at 7 yards or closer and I got him with my MINI14 and one 36 gr Varmint Grenade.

Hunter4life1990
11-04-2009, 1:24 PM
my buddies punches nice clean holes in 1/4 inch plate a 400 yards and groups extremely well,not bad for a prize drawing win

5hundo
11-04-2009, 1:55 PM
Even though they are smaller grain bullets than the .223?

They make up to 60 grain bullets in commercial ammo. If you reload, you can load heavier projectiles but even 60 grains is heavier than some .223 rounds...

Even so, the energy is so much more because (in some cases) the projectile is traveling so much faster.

Energy(k-joules) = 1/2 Mass*Velocity (squared)

professionalcoyotehunter
11-04-2009, 1:59 PM
Wont it wear the barrel down faster.

5hundo
11-04-2009, 2:29 PM
Wont it wear the barrel down faster.

Perhaps slightly but not enough to make it a determining factor, IMHO...

professionalcoyotehunter
11-04-2009, 2:30 PM
I dont shoot much anyways. I usually shoot about 1-2 rounds per weekend depending on how many yotes I see. So it shout last me a while at that rate. I may shoot it 20 times or so to sight it in.

7.62 FMJ
11-04-2009, 2:47 PM
I have a 22-250 Ackley improved that I have been wanting to take a coyote with. I am going to try to get out this weekend and try it out. Never been coyote hunting but if I get lucky and call one in I will let you know how dead it makes them. The Ackley shoots a little faster than the stock round but the results should be similar.

CD3
11-04-2009, 2:53 PM
Yes, the throat erosion will occurr faster with the 22-250, but it will take several thousand rounds to see it and a lot of hot hand loads.

professionalcoyotehunter
11-04-2009, 2:56 PM
Any range re[ports or pics of damage to coyotes would be greatly appreciated. I am supposed to do the trade tomorrow.

7.62 FMJ
11-04-2009, 3:09 PM
Here's one I found.
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professionalcoyotehunter
11-04-2009, 3:20 PM
Damn! That smoked him!

CD3
11-04-2009, 3:28 PM
http://www.californiapredatorsclub.com/index.php?showtopic=16200

professionalcoyotehunter
11-04-2009, 3:35 PM
I like that forum it is okay!

mif_slim
11-04-2009, 3:47 PM
that is great to hear for your sons motivation. I think I will sell the MINI to get the cash to buy a bolt action .223 and have the .22-250.

Doesnt have to be bolt action, just has to be a good gun. My AR can shoot and out shoot alot of bolt actions out there.

professionalcoyotehunter
11-04-2009, 3:48 PM
I doubt a MINI can out shoot a bolt action .223 or .22-250 is what I am saying. I am sure my AR's can keep up with it I just dont hunt with those since they make people nervous.

ddestruel
11-04-2009, 3:48 PM
my .223 Ackley with hand loads pumps out within 50-100 fps of my 22-250 and the nice thing is when i need more ammo in a pinch if i am short on my own reloads i can stop in at any ole store buy a few boxes of production ammo and fire form some more brass. plus my .223 barrel has a little less twist in it then a my 22-250 so i was able to load heavier rounds for those high line coyote hunts on a windy winter mornings food for thought. when i hit the praire dog towns in SD there isnt much difference between my 220 swift, the 22-250 or the223 they all seem to vaporize things in about the same form its just at the end of a day and after 500+ rounds you start too look at how much brass you have for each gun and evaluate the cost.

I've moved away from my 22-250 to my .223's since leaving Montana its been even more difficult to chase down a box of 22-250 in a pinch. it's 1/2 dozen or 6 to another but for me since i have so much .223 ammo already for the AR etc keeping the 22-250 is becoming harder and harder to justify. empty brass is cheaper for me too.

guess i should probably will retire the old 22-250 seems that when i dont take the 223 i tend to have the 220 swift with me so too many .22 caliber guns not enough fingers.

You should have no problems dropping a flea infested critter easily out to 400 yards with either the 22-250 or the 223.

all the above is with my bolt action rifles.

Fjold
11-04-2009, 4:24 PM
If you are using the varmint grenades you will be limited to the 36 grain bullets in the 22.250 because of the slow twist but they will go out at over 4,000 fps. The 50 grain VGs need at least a 9" twist to stabilize.

professionalcoyotehunter
11-04-2009, 4:31 PM
How do I find the twist rate of a 1976 Ruger M77 .22-250 Bicentennial Model?
I googled it but found nothing.


http://personalsecurityzone.com/cgi-win/order/prodlist.exe/PSZ/?Template=ProdDetail.htm&ProductID=31322

this is it other than it is not the Bicen model.

7.62 FMJ
11-04-2009, 4:45 PM
How do I find the twist rate of a 1976 Ruger M77 .22-250 Bicentennial Model?
I googled it but found nothing.


http://personalsecurityzone.com/cgi-win/order/prodlist.exe/PSZ/?Template=ProdDetail.htm&ProductID=31322

this is it other than it is not the Bicen model.

I doubt the twist rate would be different just because it was a bicentennial.

professionalcoyotehunter
11-04-2009, 4:46 PM
I dont think it would either 1:14" isn't that good.

Fjold
11-04-2009, 5:54 PM
All the Rugers 22.250's are (and were) 1:14" twist.

Bucky G
11-04-2009, 7:12 PM
great cartridge, it was my first varmint gun
excellent for jack rabbits way out there
I moved up to 6mm because coyotes are tougher than they look

Adrien
11-04-2009, 8:10 PM
I've been wanting to pick up a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight...just hadn't decided on a caliber yet. I'd really like it in 30-06 but a 22-250 would be nice as well. *shrug*

Adrien

CavTrooper
11-04-2009, 8:42 PM
Im pushing 60gr Sierra HPs out of my 1-12 twist Savage factory barrel at about 3400 or so, havent chronoed them, just guesstimating off of published data. Shooting around an inch or so @ 100yds out of a sporter barrel is good enough for me.

JTROKS
11-04-2009, 9:31 PM
I have 223s (TCs and ARs) and a 22-250 (Win 70 HBV). I've taken my 14" and 21" TC, Colt H-Bar w/ 1/7 twist, and my Win 70 HBV to Arizona near Peach Springs. The 22-250 with 50 grain Sierra Blitz will take out prairie dogs out to 400 yards no problem whist the 50 grain Blitz from the 223s are just enough to knock them down with not a lot of mist. It is easier to hit with the 22-250 when shooting light bullets, but use a 1-8 or 1-9 twist 223 it will give the 22-250 a run for it's money without the explosive mist display. If I can do it over again, I'd go with a bolt 223 with a 26" barrel and 1-9 twist and have it reamed to an AI w/ 40* shoulder. I'd skip the 22-250 and go to a 243 Winnie as my long range varminter.

Just take a look at the 87 grain V-Max, but the 75 grain is also hella accurate.

https://www.hornady.com/shop/shop_image/product/22440_rif_bul_6-87_VMAX_BT.jpg

Fjold
11-04-2009, 9:57 PM
BTW, my regular coyote gun (before the leadfree law) was a Savage model 110CL chambered in 22.250 (1:14" twist) with 55 grain Hornady VMax and was deadly on coyotes out to 400 yards.

swerv512
11-05-2009, 5:14 AM
nothing beats having a dedicated rifle for a particular task. if you want to blow up varmints- look no further than that 22-250. i always wanted one.... in fact i might put an AR on the selling block to get one....

Ivanhoe
11-05-2009, 8:51 AM
The coyote doctors love the .22-250. I love mine (Weatherby Vanguard sub moa)

http://www.huntingcoyotes.com/

gunn
11-05-2009, 10:22 AM
How do I find the twist rate of a 1976 Ruger M77 .22-250 Bicentennial Model?
I googled it but found nothing.


http://personalsecurityzone.com/cgi-win/order/prodlist.exe/PSZ/?Template=ProdDetail.htm&ProductID=31322

this is it other than it is not the Bicen model.

Have you called them? I've found Ruger to be quite helpful on questions like this.

-g

professionalcoyotehunter
11-05-2009, 10:23 AM
I found it already. It was 1:14" which I dont think is that good but I can try it.

lewdogg21
11-05-2009, 10:43 AM
Good reading. Thanks for all those that share their experiences. Not to thread jack but last Sunday I was at my fathers for dinner and he talked about doing a squirrel hunt this spring so I'm very interested in this thread.

professionalcoyotehunter
11-05-2009, 11:02 AM
Go with the 17HMR for squirrels it is devastating them.

xxdabroxx
11-05-2009, 12:23 PM
22-250 will vaporize squirrels. It will definitely knock down a yote. I would not be afraid of 55-60 grain bullets out of a 1:14 twist. Particularly if it is a fairly long barrel.

And you could always rebarrel if you want. The M77 action is a pretty good base.

DJBSR
11-05-2009, 2:00 PM
:D22-250 will vaporize squirrels. It will definitely knock down a yote. I would not be afraid of 55-60 grain bullets out of a 1:14 twist. Particularly if it is a fairly long barrel.

And you could always rebarrel if you want. The M77 action is a pretty good base.

AH the Beautiful rainbow effect of squirrel guts :D

mls343
11-05-2009, 2:51 PM
I have a nice heavy barrel Sako in 22-250 and it just destroys squirrels. I've had shots that were out to about 200 yards and it still just blows them up.

It's a very good cartridge. You will not be dissappointed.

mif_slim
11-05-2009, 7:49 PM
I doubt a MINI can out shoot a bolt action .223 or .22-250 is what I am saying. I am sure my AR's can keep up with it I just dont hunt with those since they make people nervous.

haha, the mini has no chance even in its next after after after after life.

dchang0
11-05-2009, 9:10 PM
I have a nice heavy barrel Sako in 22-250 and it just destroys squirrels. I've had shots that were out to about 200 yards and it still just blows them up.

It's a very good cartridge. You will not be dissappointed.

+1. I too had a Sako Forester bull barrel .22-250. AWESOME rifle. Vaporizes rabbits, prairie dogs, and squirrels.

Yes, the throat erosion will occurr faster with the 22-250, but it will take several thousand rounds to see it and a lot of hot hand loads.

And luckily, you can under-load the .22-250 a bit and still produce devastating loads. There is just so much powder behind such a tiny little bullet--I remember being able to shake my handloads and hear the gunpowder shaking around like teeny little maracas.

Fjold
11-05-2009, 9:34 PM
My brother and I flipping squirrels with a 223 and a 22.250

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professionalcoyotehunter
11-06-2009, 8:25 AM
Nice Vid! Thanks for sharing.

hlcarbine
11-06-2009, 9:03 AM
my son has a rem700 in 22-250 and i shoot it more than him. its an awesome round! deadly accurate. his grandpa gave it too him it has a weaver grand slam scope and its real hard to miss with his rifle. even during the ammo shortage i could go to walmart and find the wwb in 22-250, that and shotgun shells were the only ammo available during that time.

if you want to hit the range i am a member of the wecg and they have a 200 meter range. pm me and we'll set something up.

professionalcoyotehunter
11-06-2009, 9:34 AM
That sounds fun. Let me know when ou want to roll. I will have to set mine up soon.

xxdabroxx
11-06-2009, 11:37 AM
My brother and I flipping squirrels with a 223 and a 22.250

"Oh, the humanity!" :rolleyes:

Awesome video. I popped a squirrel up about 6' in the air the other day with the 223. Nothing like the local flying squirrels.

bombadillo
11-06-2009, 4:01 PM
I KNOW it will kill yotes. I have a co-worker who takes out a 22-250 every year and get a buck with it almost every year. I didn't even think it was legal to shoot deer with that.

professionalcoyotehunter
11-06-2009, 4:15 PM
As long as it is a center fire it is good to go.

atavuss
11-06-2009, 5:51 PM
have you considered the .204 Ruger? at long ranges the .204 Ruger actually has better ballistics than the .223 or the .22-250. do a google search and see for yourself. another plus is that you can actually spot most of your own hits with a .204 Ruger due to the mild recoil. it is also a great squirrel round, it will easily launch and splatter squeaks. the disadvantage is that .204 Ruger ammo may be harder to find on your dealer's shelf. if you reload the .204 Ruger uses less powder per round

Overkill
11-06-2009, 6:18 PM
Someone mentioned it earlier, so I'm going to second the vote for a .223 Ackley. Great performance, better barrel life, long brass life, significantly less powder, still allows the use of factory 223 ammo... Do some research - it's a fantastic round.

Adrien
11-06-2009, 11:30 PM
So if I were to be running a Winchester Model 70 22-250 with a 22" barrel 1:14 what grain bullet would I want to be shooting?

EDIT: It would seem the only lead free options I can find are 45 grain. I guess that's what I will be shooting!

Adrien

RugerNo1
11-07-2009, 11:05 AM
My Ruger No. 1 is a 22-250 and I love it. I set a Leupold 6.5-20 scope on it and it is perfect for varminting. On paper it will hold about 1/3 moa and the best group is three rounds into one ragged hole. I have been told, however, that my factory rifle has uncommon accuracy...I think they were just envious.:p

bridgeport
11-07-2009, 5:00 PM
Why not go with the Barnes, varmint grenades at 36 gr and 50 gr. or the MLE
at 55 gr. All lead free

olhunter
11-07-2009, 6:02 PM
I think I will sell the MINI to get the cash to buy a bolt action .223 and have the .22-250.

..and also sell the Ruger MKII dammit!

You know you want to sell it...you're getting sleeeeeeeepy...sleeeeeeepier.....sellllll the Ruuuuuuger...lol

olhunter
11-07-2009, 6:08 PM
BTW, my regular coyote gun (before the leadfree law) was a Savage model 110CL chambered in 22.250 (1:14" twist) with 55 grain Hornady VMax and was deadly on coyotes out to 400 yards.

Dude, you killed a striped Unicorn? Where?

Fjold
11-07-2009, 7:53 PM
Dude, you killed a striped Unicorn? Where?


Namibia, they're very rare.

RugerNo1
11-07-2009, 8:25 PM
Can I get a rim shot?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQZi7tmWhR4&feature=related

professionalcoyotehunter
11-24-2009, 8:41 AM
My deal for the .22-250 fell through when I found out it was a bull barrel.:(

bombadillo
11-24-2009, 8:46 AM
Between the two, I would stay with a .223 anyway. Grab a tikka T3 Varmint in .223 and call it a day. Those things are spot on and you can stay with the light loads with them. They're a slow spin so you can knock out those little varmint grenade rounds with ease. Plus .223 is so much more abundant than .22-250

professionalcoyotehunter
11-24-2009, 8:49 AM
I need to get a .223 Tikka T3 varmint non-SS. I just like trying out new calibers to kill coyotes with just to say I have done it !

xxdabroxx
11-24-2009, 9:37 AM
get a 6mm or a .243. Hot little rounds too.

professionalcoyotehunter
11-24-2009, 9:38 AM
If someone on here will sell me one I would.

StraightShooter
11-24-2009, 11:18 AM
You can shoot bullets in the 50-55gr range through a .243 over 4000fps. That will inflict massive damage on anything within 400 yards. I have shot 3 coyotes with the .243 I use for long range comps shooting 115 gr bullets at 3000 fps and I have never had a coyote take even a single step after getting hit. Always instant lights out. I also built myself a .338 federal for all around mid sized game hunting (deer, blackbear, etc) and have killed the last two coyotes with it just for fun. Talk about a mess.

professionalcoyotehunter
12-04-2009, 8:24 AM
I have a buddy who shoots .243 and loves it. I hope to get a Tikka before christmas.

swerv512
12-04-2009, 9:52 PM
My brother and I flipping squirrels with a 223 and a 22.250

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where was this video taken??

PlacerTactical
12-20-2009, 4:58 PM
Try using Rem 55g accelerators out of your 30-06. Now we are talking fast! They are a .224 with a sabot in a 30-06 casing flying north of 4000fps

professionalcoyotehunter
12-20-2009, 6:54 PM
Where do I get some?

PlacerTactical
12-20-2009, 7:15 PM
My distributor doesnt stock them, I did do a quick search and Ables shows them.
http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=74281

PlacerTactical
12-20-2009, 7:16 PM
I cant say how good or accurate they are though, I've had a box for a couple years and still have yet to try them out. I just thought it was cool to have a .224 loaded in a 30-06:cool: