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CHS
11-01-2009, 8:25 PM
This thing looks like a blast!!

http://www.thureondefense.com/

Most importantly, it takes regular 9mm AR mags (and therefore has a standard AR mag catch - Bullet button anyone???!), and has an AR FCG, pistol grip, and stock! It even breaks down like an AR.

Supposedly it's going to be about 600-700 though. Sounds like a great deal!

jchen76@gmail.com
11-01-2009, 8:32 PM
Last year, someone on calguns saw it at the Shot Show, IIRC, one of the vendors here contacted them to see if it could have been made cali compliant.

D53
11-01-2009, 8:35 PM
I didn't see a cost for one



edit: For dealer purchases only

CHS
11-01-2009, 8:38 PM
Last year, someone on calguns saw it at the Shot Show, IIRC, one of the vendors here contacted them to see if it could have been made cali compliant.

I'm going to call them tomorrow about getting them CA-compliant (or middleman'ed) and pricing.

DREADNOUGHT78
11-01-2009, 8:48 PM
Kinda cool I am definately interested! Looks like you could slap some Magpul parts on it as well.

DREADNOUGHT78
11-01-2009, 8:50 PM
So this would be legit the same as an AR just in need of 10 round mag and BB correct??

CHS
11-01-2009, 8:50 PM
Kinda cool I am definately interested! Looks like you could slap some Magpul parts on it as well.

First thing I would do: Ergo Suregrip.
Second: Replace commercial buffer tube with milspec and add a CTR.

VegasND
11-01-2009, 8:52 PM
I saw it posted on another forum last week and was underwhelmed when I heard it was in the 6 / 7 hundred dollar range.

I'd rather just build an AR in 9mm.

Gio
11-01-2009, 8:57 PM
FUGLY all I have to say :43:

-Gio

CHS
11-01-2009, 9:26 PM
So this would be legit the same as an AR just in need of 10 round mag and BB correct??

Correct.

10rd mags are $15-$20 and a bullet button is $25.

Might even be raddlock compatible.

supermario
11-01-2009, 9:39 PM
I love it.. Looks simple, reliable and magazine plentifull. I am sucker for 9mm carbines though.. I love it!

I would fix the stock, add a solar tac grip wrap and use my preban 9mm Beta...:43:

alain209
11-01-2009, 9:48 PM
hope they will make a cali-compliant one. give us a heads up after you call.

rct442
11-01-2009, 9:48 PM
http://www.thureondefense.com/images/stories/tdcarbinesplash.jpg

It even has a evil barrel shroud :43:

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hkdad
11-01-2009, 10:03 PM
i hate it when he says "CLIP" all the time....:rolleyes:

xm177
11-01-2009, 10:09 PM
Not bad. :D Looks like an AR with an UZI bolt. Has a considerable advantage in reliability compared to a AR 9mm conversion. Downsides are the lack of a bolt hold open feature and those silly short radius sights machined into the upper.

Beatone
11-01-2009, 10:25 PM
Looks like fun.

CHS
11-02-2009, 8:35 AM
Not bad. :D Looks like an AR with an UZI bolt. Has a considerable advantage in reliability compared to a AR 9mm conversion. Downsides are the lack of a bolt hold open feature and those silly short radius sights machined into the upper.

He explicitly states that the gun is built with a rail for optics, and those backup sights are just that. Backups.

As to the BHO, yeah I was pretty bummed about that too since the only AR 9mm mags that DONT actuate a BHO are the converted UZI mags.

Colt, C Products, and Metalform all will activate a BHO device.

Still, for the price they are supposed to be, I think it looks like an awesome little 9mm carbine. Looks very lightweight and easy to shoot.

evollep3
11-02-2009, 10:45 AM
First thing I would do: Ergo Suregrip.
Second: Replace commercial buffer tube with milspec and add a CTR.

I would leave the commercial Spec and just slap the CTR they are still rock solid thats why the CTR will always hold a special place in my heart :)
other than that i would have to agree with GIO that thing is fugly i like my 9mm conversion much better.

KevinXT
11-02-2009, 11:18 AM
FUGLY all I have to say :43:

-Gio

i agree.. it looks kinda like a paintball gun...

CHS
11-02-2009, 12:16 PM
Good news!

They ALREADY have a CA-compliant rifle ready to go and are fully willing to support California!

Comes with a factory bullet button type device (the way he explained it, at least)
OAL with stock collapsed = 30.25"
Takes all 9mm AR mags except the Promag (but they're working with promag on that one).

Appears to have a standard AR FCG pocket, and will accept drop-in triggers like the Timney.

There is a certain Southern California dealer who is probably going to start carrying these... :)

radioburning
11-02-2009, 12:25 PM
Looks fun, but it'd have to be sub $450 for me to pick one up.

Beatone
11-02-2009, 12:26 PM
Price?

TheClap1
11-02-2009, 12:31 PM
I like it. I've been looking to get a pistol caliber rifle.

Dirtbiker
11-02-2009, 12:33 PM
Now fix the stock and slip on a kydex grip wing and you can run your standard cap mags. No BB required.

alain209
11-02-2009, 7:42 PM
I'm going to call them tomorrow about getting them CA-compliant (or middleman'ed) and pricing.
what did they say?

CHS
11-02-2009, 7:44 PM
what did they say?

You failed english classes, didn't you?

Good news!

They ALREADY have a CA-compliant rifle ready to go and are fully willing to support California!

Comes with a factory bullet button type device (the way he explained it, at least)
OAL with stock collapsed = 30.25"
Takes all 9mm AR mags except the Promag (but they're working with promag on that one).

Appears to have a standard AR FCG pocket, and will accept drop-in triggers like the Timney.

There is a certain Southern California dealer who is probably going to start carrying these... :)

freakshow10mm
11-02-2009, 8:02 PM
Pretty neat.

Cool it's in my home state a few hours away.

Bugs the crap out of me he says "clip" and pronounces carbine as "carbeen".

CHS
11-02-2009, 8:05 PM
Yeah, the video's are pretty funny, and I cringed EVERY time he said "clip", but it looks like a good little gun and he's supporting CA. Can't beat that!

Since it seems to have a standard AR FCG pocket (you can get a drop-in timney trigger for it), what I REALLY want to know is whether or not it's RLL/RDIAS compatible :) That would be AWESOME.

technique
11-02-2009, 8:09 PM
From looking at it...does it actually need that buffer tube?

freakshow10mm
11-02-2009, 8:17 PM
Probably not.

technique
11-02-2009, 8:19 PM
well, hello folding stock :D

CHS
11-02-2009, 8:20 PM
From looking at it...does it actually need that buffer tube?

I'm guessing not.

I assume that the entire point is simply so that it can use AR stocks.

freakshow10mm
11-02-2009, 8:22 PM
It has to have a mechanism to return to battery, most likely a spring, but the bolt can be short and not enter the extension.

sytfu_RR
11-02-2009, 8:23 PM
I swear I saw something like this at Irvington Arms over the weekend, I noticed on one rack they had an AR-looking rifle, but had a pistol mag in it, but the thing that was unique was the magwell was the exact size of a 9mm mag, so it wasn't a conversion but some dedicated lower.

technique
11-02-2009, 8:25 PM
I swear I saw something like this at Irvington Arms over the weekend, I noticed on one rack they had an AR-looking rifle, but had a pistol mag in it, but the thing that was unique was the magwell was the exact size of a 9mm mag, so it wasn't a conversion but some dedicated lower.

It took glock mags and it was a Lonewolf lower.;)

bigcalidave
11-03-2009, 1:07 AM
Looks cheap. Make it sub $500 and I want one!

marxdspot
11-03-2009, 1:52 AM
I've held one and looked at it up close. It felt like billet built carbine. One complaint I had were the iron sights...look how close the sights were...from one end of the upper receiver to the other. I also felt that they could've done better with the design of integrating the picatinny rail on the upper receiver. It looked like someone soldered a separate picatinny mount just above the receiver. Pros, it shoots cheap ammo and felt solid. It did feel lighter than my M4ry. This local gunshop was setting up a group buy for this over a year or two ago, but didn't move any further. Price wasn't available at the time.

Norccer
11-03-2009, 7:11 AM
Lol, in the video he calls it a "clip."

tiger222
11-03-2009, 7:23 AM
I hope they make it possible to use an AR handguard, like the Colt MARS carbine, that would be super cool, the current one detracts for it's looks IMHO - it would also be neat if they made one for HK mags :)

Neat idea - they should make a pistol variant :)

CHS
11-13-2009, 12:29 PM
There is a certain Southern California dealer who is probably going to start carrying these... :)

Riflegear has 5 of them coming in in about a week.

$699

pTa
11-13-2009, 1:33 PM
no bad price... a 9mm upper can run you that much

hmmm... great work guys!

alain209
11-13-2009, 3:14 PM
very nice.

slappomatt
11-13-2009, 4:30 PM
too spendy for me. I'd rather have a 9mm upper for less. and it would look alot better. but more options are a good thing and its got alot going for it.

CHS
11-13-2009, 5:04 PM
too spendy for me. I'd rather have a 9mm upper for less. and it would look alot better. but more options are a good thing and its got alot going for it.

The thing I like about it is the whole GUN weighs as much as a 9mm upper (6lbs).

That's pretty awesome!

nitrofc
11-28-2009, 2:20 PM
This thing looks like a blast!!

http://www.thureondefense.com/

Most importantly, it takes regular 9mm AR mags (and therefore has a standard AR mag catch - Bullet button anyone???!), and has an AR FCG, pistol grip, and stock! It even breaks down like an AR.

Supposedly it's going to be about 600-700 though. Sounds like a great deal!

Neat!
If they ever make one CA compliant in .40 S&W I would be all over it.

CHS
11-30-2009, 10:47 AM
On the wall, in the store, RIGHT NOW :)

These things are LIGHT and pretty dang cool.

pacrimguru
11-30-2009, 11:49 AM
On the wall, in the store, RIGHT NOW :)

These things are LIGHT and pretty dang cool.

on the wall, at which shop? interesting and ugly gun. lightweight and cheap sounds good though. do you know if the hand guard can be replaced with a rail system?

series8217
11-30-2009, 1:02 PM
on the wall, at which shop?

Rifle Gear...

Riflegear
11-30-2009, 1:23 PM
We have 3 of the M4-stocked models in as of this morning.

We are the shop bdsmchs is referring to :)

Riflegear
11-30-2009, 1:24 PM
do you know if the hand guard can be replaced with a rail system?

Not currently. The manufacturer has stated that he's got plans to come out with a different handguard system which will be railed or compatible with rails.

We're pretty impressed with this thing so far. It's extremely simple and lightweight. Only 6 pounds and it's very small.

Dirtbiker
11-30-2009, 1:28 PM
I was just at Riflegear and it is a simple, well made, 9mm carbine. The fit and finish was great.

If I got one I'd bolt on an A2 stock (you can) put a kydex grip wrap on it, remove the FH, and run my standard cap UZI mags in it. (need to be slightly modded to fit)

Riflegear
11-30-2009, 1:49 PM
If I got one I'd bolt on an A2 stock (you can) put a kydex grip wrap on it, remove the FH, and run my standard cap UZI mags in it. (need to be slightly modded to fit)

FYI, it's a muzzle-brake :)

afro
11-30-2009, 2:31 PM
Heh, "clip."

Anyway, looks sweet. I want one!

pacrimguru
11-30-2009, 5:37 PM
We are the shop bdsmchs is referring to :)

i might have just have to pick one up when i swing by to pick up the calguns lower i got from you guys at the show this past weekend.

i wish they had more / better pics of this thing. any way you guys can post up some pics of one of the ones you have?

leelaw
11-30-2009, 5:46 PM
Man, that thing is ugly...

...yet I want one.. :43: