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HondaMasterTech
10-30-2009, 11:21 PM
Has anyone done this? This would fall under NFA and firearms manufacturing, correct? And, considered full-auto, correct? For the record, I have not done this. Just asking. :)

GSequoia
10-30-2009, 11:46 PM
If it's not a finger it's not legal.




Also - let's not get into severed fingers and solenoids, I know it's officially Halloween and all but that's just weird.

obeygiant
10-30-2009, 11:47 PM
CA PC12020
12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following
is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year
or in the state prison:
(1) Manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the
state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives,
lends, or possesses any cane gun or wallet gun, any undetectable
firearm, any firearm which is not immediately recognizable as a
firearm, any camouflaging firearm container, any ammunition which
contains or consists of any flechette dart, any bullet containing or
carrying an explosive agent, any ballistic knife, any multiburst
trigger activator, any nunchaku, any short-barreled shotgun, any
short-barreled rifle, any metal knuckles, any belt buckle knife, any
leaded cane, any zip gun, any shuriken, any unconventional pistol,
any lipstick case knife, any cane sword, any shobi-zue, any air gauge
knife, any writing pen knife, any metal military practice
handgrenade or metal replica handgrenade, or any instrument or weapon
of the kind commonly known as a blackjack, slungshot, billy,
sandclub, sap, or sandbag.


(23) As used in this section, a "multiburst trigger activator"
means one of the following devices:
(A) A device designed or redesigned to be attached to a
semiautomatic firearm which allows the firearm to discharge two or
more shots in a burst by activating the device.
(B) A manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed
and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it
increases the rate of fire of that firearm.

HondaMasterTech
10-31-2009, 12:25 AM
Thanks for doing my homework for me. Very generous. Like I said, haven't done it. No intention of doing so. :)

Kharn
10-31-2009, 4:32 AM
Electricity and any form of semiauto is a no-go under the NFA as some simple soldering would result in an MG. You could use one on a bolt action or single shot as long as the mechanism did not work the action.

oldrifle
10-31-2009, 9:13 AM
Damn, you got me. My thoughts were going right to cadaver fingers.:43:

If it's not a finger it's not legal.




Also - let's not get into severed fingers and solenoids, I know it's officially Halloween and all but that's just weird.

jaymz
10-31-2009, 11:23 AM
I'm not willing to be the test case because I'm too broke, but according to this:

(23) As used in this section, a "multiburst trigger activator"
means one of the following devices:
(A) A device designed or redesigned to be attached to a
semiautomatic firearm which allows the firearm to discharge two or
more shots in a burst by activating the device.
(B) A manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed
and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it
increases the rate of fire of that firearm.

Yes you can. Nothing that you attach to the trigger will accomplish any of those things because the bottom line is that a semi auto firearm is just that - one trigger pull, one bullet out the barrel. The rate of fire is not being increased, all semi's will fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, and you are not discharging more than one round per trigger pull. Anybody that says different is wrong. If they wanted to say that you can't use anything other than your finger to pull the frickin trigger, then that's what they should have said when they made the stupid law.

bwiese
10-31-2009, 11:25 AM
Has anyone done this? This would fall under NFA and firearms manufacturing, correct? And, considered full-auto, correct? For the record, I have not done this. Just asking. :)

No go.

Aside from any NFA FA issues, California bans (felony) "trigger activators" - probably like the Hellfire device.

jaymz
10-31-2009, 11:26 AM
Electricity and any form of semiauto is a no-go under the NFA as some simple soldering would result in an MG.

How so? How will some simple soldering (on the trigger, because that's what we are discussing) make a semi auto shoot more than bullet per trigger pull?

bohoki
10-31-2009, 3:43 PM
hmm how about hooking this up to a hydraulic pump

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HondaMasterTech
10-31-2009, 3:46 PM
Ok, for the sake of argument, ( Again, I'm not going to do this, haven't and will never do this ) is there anything in the PC about a device that isn't attached to the firearm? Such as a solenoid device which you hold in your hand but doesn't actually attach to the firearm?

bohoki
11-03-2009, 6:49 PM
Ok, for the sake of argument, ( Again, I'm not going to do this, haven't and will never do this ) is there anything in the PC about a device that isn't attached to the firearm? Such as a solenoid device which you hold in your hand but doesn't actually attach to the firearm?


you mean some kind of linkage in a glove that rapidly presses your finger

ojisan
11-03-2009, 7:02 PM
you mean some kind of linkage in a glove that rapidly presses your finger

If you are going to go with the glove, you might as well get the whole outfit.
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HondaMasterTech
11-03-2009, 9:04 PM
No. I mean if I hold my vibrator in my hand to activate the trigger as opposed to mounting it to the gun. Is there a law against that? I know, "What is a dude doing with a vibrator?". Trust me, every man should own a vibrator.