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Leo762
03-27-2005, 4:18 PM
UPDATE!
i finished off the uppper and some other parts with allumahyde, it seems to stick pretty well the colors match better now.

http://img273.echo.cx/img273/3383/stg147qh.th.jpg (http://img273.echo.cx/my.php?image=stg147qh.jpg)

http://img277.echo.cx/img277/6241/stg154ui.th.jpg (http://img277.echo.cx/my.php?image=stg154ui.jpg)

http://img277.echo.cx/img277/4817/stg168rl.th.jpg (http://img277.echo.cx/my.php?image=stg168rl.jpg)


Hey! After several months of buying up parts and putting things together in Jan a gunsmith did the headspace and barreling. I wanted to take pics sooner but never had a chance so here they are!

its an STG kit from dsa and an Imbel rec i got from river city gun ex.

on some of the pics i have the original rec cover because i like the way it looks more but the tapco cover functions better.

i used the dsa stg brake, i like the original more but im not sure if its legal.

http://img94.exs.cx/img94/1210/stg18wo.th.jpg (http://img94.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img94&image=stg18wo.jpg)

http://img199.exs.cx/img199/4251/stg26kt.th.jpg (http://img199.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img199&image=stg26kt.jpg)

http://img199.exs.cx/img199/5986/stg37bk.th.jpg (http://img199.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img199&image=stg37bk.jpg)

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http://img110.exs.cx/img110/6489/stg50nr.th.jpg (http://img110.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img110&image=stg50nr.jpg)

this is a pic from the oroville range, it was nice but dirty
http://img110.exs.cx/img110/4792/stg66ux.th.jpg (http://img110.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img110&image=stg66ux.jpg)


thanks for looking!

xsquid
03-27-2005, 4:44 PM
Originally posted by Leo762:

on some of the pics i have the original rec cover because i like the way it looks more but the tapco cover functions better.


If you were going to use a non stripper clip guide dust cover - you'd have to break your rifle open and move the cover back to reload. You should look into getting a Canandian stripper clip guide - would look more "original" to the gun than the Tapco one.


i used the dsa stg brake, i like the original more but im not sure if its legal.


Yes it would be illegal (at least here in CA) - the original is a flash hider - not a muzzle brake . Did you also use the DSA muzzle brake as one of your 7 US made parts count? Nice rifle BTW http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

pidooma
03-27-2005, 5:51 PM
Nice looking rifle. Did you do any refinishing to the parts? If so, what?

Leo762
03-27-2005, 7:31 PM
thanks!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by xsquid:

If you were going to use a non stripper clip guide dust cover - you'd have to break your rifle open and move the cover back to reload. You should look into getting a Canandian stripper clip guide - would look more "original" to the gun than the Tapco one.
QUOTE]

actually if you load it one round at a time, you can do it really easily with the original reciver cover. you put the round in there and press it down - works just as well once you get used to it. on my next rifle i will open up the opening a little to make it even easier - save 30 bucks http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

as far as i know the reason the flash suppressor is illegal is not because of it being a f/s but because it can work as a grenade launcher. some people say that because it wasnt specifically designed to launch grenades like a yugo sks - its legal but its too sketchy and im not 100% sure so i wont use it for now.

If you have a fixed mag rifle you can use a flash suppressor, but the grenade launcher isnt under the assault weapons ban but destructive devices ban.

pidooma

when i got the kit the bolt and most parts were unissued (no wear at all) but the handguards and bipod had some handling dings and scratches (either from shipping or regular use) so i got some matte black gunkote and refinished it - it didnt come out like i wanted it to but good enough.

i also did the original stock, it had lots nasty scratches so i wet sanded it with 400 paper but it still wasnt what i wanted so i used black plastic paint and sprayed to have some texture.

6172crew
03-27-2005, 8:45 PM
Nice FAL Im getting ready to have one built out of the same parts kit. Should be a nice rifle!

Turbinator
03-28-2005, 11:52 AM
Fantastic, I am envious!!

Turby

minion82@yahoo.com
03-30-2005, 5:26 PM
Originally posted by xsquid:
Yes it would be illegal (at least here in CA) - the original is a flash hider - not a muzzle brake .

Bzzzt!!! Wrong! http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif The correct answer, since this is a fixed-mag rifle (or at least it appears to have a non-detachable mag), is that a flash suppressor would not be illegal.

However, I'm not sure the Stoll suppressor itself is legal in CA... I've heard that it is properly sized for rifle grenades, and therefore CA would consider it a "destructive device" http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif, like the "grenade launchers" on those Yugo SKSs. The Imbel brake suffers from the same problem.

You can, theroetically, fix that problem by altering the diameter of the suppressor (in a permanent manner) so that it is no longer capable of accepting rifle grenades, e.g. welding on a ring. Or take the easy route and buy a different flash suppressor.

Oh, and very nice FAL. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

minion82@yahoo.com
03-30-2005, 5:30 PM
Note to self: in the future, completely reading each previous post will alert you when you are about to say exactly the same thing as someone above you. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Carry on.

Rascal
03-30-2005, 7:18 PM
Originally posted by Minion82:

However, I'm not sure the Stoll suppressor itself is legal in CA... I've heard that it is properly sized for rifle grenades, and therefore CA would consider it a "destructive device" http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif, like the "grenade launchers" on those Yugo SKSs. The Imbel brake suffers from the same problem.


There is a differance between the Yugo grenade launchers and the Stoll suppressor. The Yugo grenade launcher IS SPECIFICALLY made to launch grenades, the Stoll supperssor in not specifically made for grenade launching, and might not infact be considered a "Destructive Device". Don't hold this as fact yet, but I remember reading about this awhile ago and I will look up the information on this. I know that this was discussed somewhere on another board and I think there was even a letter sent to DOJ, and them saying that because the Stoll suppressor main purpose was a flash hider and not a grenade launcher, it was acceptable. Please allow me to research this and I'll get back to you with the information, which ever way it goes.

icormba
03-30-2005, 7:46 PM
Originally posted by Rascal:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Minion82:

However, I'm not sure the Stoll suppressor itself is legal in CA... I've heard that it is properly sized for rifle grenades, and therefore CA would consider it a "destructive device" http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif, like the "grenade launchers" on those Yugo SKSs. The Imbel brake suffers from the same problem.


There is a differance between the Yugo grenade launchers and the Stoll suppressor. The Yugo grenade launcher IS SPECIFICALLY made to launch grenades, the Stoll supperssor in not specifically made for grenade launching, and might not infact be considered a "Destructive Device". Don't hold this as fact yet, but I remember reading about this awhile ago and I will look up the information on this. I know that this was discussed somewhere on another board and I think there was even a letter sent to DOJ, and them saying that because the Stoll suppressor main purpose was a flash hider and not a grenade launcher, it was acceptable. Please allow me to research this and I'll get back to you with the information, which ever way it goes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah, I think I mentioned it last month... couldn't find it here, but it is on falfiles & it pretty much states what you mentioned.

I guess you could just take of the little ring thing, thus making it a Not able to launch granades any longer. But I guess you could go to your local home depot and buy a new one.... I think they are located right next to the Nato Granade Bin in aisle 8. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

oh yeah... Leo762, looks GREAT!

Leo762
03-30-2005, 10:17 PM
thanks for the comments!

Rascal, thats as far as i got in my search for the truth http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif please get back with any updates - i like the original a lot more but dont want to risk it yet http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

i also would prefer a type 2 receiver but it just costs too much and not even counting the transfer fess and all that crap

double_action
04-13-2005, 12:12 PM
Nice Leo762!

6172crew
04-27-2005, 8:30 AM
Any updates on that Flash hider? I would really like to keep the rifle as original as possible.

Leo762
04-27-2005, 1:30 PM
nope, not that i know of

slo5oh
05-24-2005, 1:13 PM
SEXY FAL!!!

you left out one key point. How much did this beauty cost you?

Fixed mag is a good solution, but how come no one make a butt stock that's shaped similar to the pistol grip? All you'd have to do is follow the lines of the pistol grip and buttstock connecting them in a "rounded" fasion and viola! instant full feature FAL

C.G.
05-24-2005, 3:11 PM
Fixed mag is a good solution, but how come no one make a butt stock that's shaped similar to the pistol grip?
Can't get it close enough to the trigger and if you did it would be below the line.

slo5oh
05-25-2005, 9:20 AM
below the line?

*edit*
something like this:
sporter (http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/0100/128.htm)

It would probably need the giant hole to be filled in, but something like that in a nice light weight build.

slo5oh
05-25-2005, 12:47 PM
point made.

How about a filled in sock similar with a thumb catch... like a dowel or tigger coming off the stock to wrap your thumb around. I just hate the idea of a fixed mag. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Now that the federal ban has gone bye bye I wonder if it's ok to put a front pistol grip on like the one's made for ARs.

C.G.
05-25-2005, 1:06 PM
Now that the federal ban has gone bye bye I wonder if it's ok to put a front pistol grip on like the one's made for ARs.
Not in Kali.
How about a filled in sock similar with a thumb catch... like a dowel or tigger coming off the stock to wrap your thumb around. I just hate the idea of a fixed mag.
Still considered a pistol grip in Kali.

Leo762
05-25-2005, 2:35 PM
im telling ye guys, the fixed mag is fine! stripper clips are fine once you get used to them, and i dont even use them, just load one by one - takes longer to shoot up the ammo http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif its not like im preparing it for when TSHTF, if that happensyou can just replace the mag catch and stick the mag spring back in.

the thing costed me about 800 - 850 with the gunsmith fee. i think its not bad, its a really accurate and well functioning rifle that i can say that i put together (mostly http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

if you really strain your budget you can pretty easily get one together for about ~~ 600, used a cheaper kit, find cheaper US parts sets, do the timing/hedspace yourself, not get a stripper clip cover but load it through the ejector port or just cut the cover.

I wasnt planning on getting another FAL so i used an expensive kit, i didnt want to wait for transfers so i got an imbel rec from gunshop for more than they usually go.

C.G.
05-25-2005, 3:27 PM
im telling ye guys, the fixed mag is fine! stripper clips are fine once you get used to them, and i dont even use them, just load one by one - takes longer to shoot up the ammo its not like im preparing it for when TSHTF, if that happensyou can just replace the mag catch and stick the mag spring back in.
Precisely why I am waiting for two Imbel receivers.

-hanko
05-25-2005, 3:37 PM
Originally posted by Leo762:
im telling ye guys, the fixed mag is fine! stripper clips are fine once you get used to them, and i dont even use them, just load one by one - takes longer to shoot up the ammo http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif its not like im preparing it for when TSHTF, if that happensyou can just replace the mag catch and stick the mag spring back in.
Not as quick as a mag change, but easily fast enough for an mbr. You can also get by with fewer mags.

Canada, Belguim, and Britain had the same idea. The FAL submitted for USMC testing could also use clips.

-hanko