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locosway
10-27-2009, 9:00 PM
I just couldn't stop laughing... No wonder we're viewed like gun toting red necks...


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Capt. Speirs
10-27-2009, 9:22 PM
I just couldn't stop laughing... No wonder we're viewed like gun toting red necks...


This is pure propaganda. My Grandfather was in propaganda during WWII and you can make anyone or any country look bad on unchallengeable media.

locosway
10-27-2009, 9:25 PM
Like I said, I couldn't stop laughing...

oaklander
10-27-2009, 9:31 PM
Good stuff. . .

I actually understood a lot of what he was saying. . . Must be some Dutch blood in my ancestry. . .

jayjay
10-27-2009, 9:33 PM
This is pure propaganda. My Grandfather was in propaganda during WWII and you can make anyone or any country look bad on unchallengeable media.

Not sure how this makes the US look bad. Also, I take it you speak Dutch?

andrewj
10-27-2009, 9:50 PM
Get me out of this state!!

devildog999
10-27-2009, 9:56 PM
What we should do is send a copy of this to every country on the globe. Should cause some pause if they ever decide they want to invade us ;)

jamesob
10-27-2009, 10:04 PM
i'm irish and redneck, that looks like a family reunion

bigstick61
10-27-2009, 10:37 PM
So can anyone translate this for those of us who don't speak Dutch?

locosway
10-27-2009, 10:39 PM
So can anyone translate this for those of us who don't speak Dutch?

That would take all of the fun out of it.

Brianguy
10-27-2009, 11:01 PM
All those wonderful firearms i'll never own :(

510shooter510
10-27-2009, 11:01 PM
What we should do is send a copy of this to every country on the globe. Should cause some pause if they ever decide they want to invade us ;)

+1. If this is how the world views us, then ok.

slik556
10-27-2009, 11:16 PM
I don't know about you all but I think it would be a kick in the pants to go to Knobcreek and let all that lead fly:36::25::83:
Redneck or not!

chuckdc
10-27-2009, 11:35 PM
I could go for that rather large one they were firing in the last part of the video. Nothing says "hello" quite like artillery.

tankerman
10-27-2009, 11:41 PM
Damn, I want a flamethrower real bad.

Vanguard
10-28-2009, 12:02 AM
This video is hilarious to me because I don't care how other countries view us.

I hope they think every American owns a flame thrower and an AT gun.

Comical! :D

joelukehart
10-28-2009, 12:02 AM
What we should do is send a copy of this to every country on the globe. Should cause some pause if they ever decide they want to invade us ;)

Who gives a **** how we look to other countries. They are just jealous. I would forward this video to Mexico but the invasion is already under way.

xibunkrlilkidsx
10-28-2009, 7:33 AM
WTF....dd anyone else notice the guy with the rather large artillery shell being loaded.

mgbebout
10-28-2009, 8:49 AM
+1 on that.
This video is hilarious to me because I don't care how other countries view us.

I hope they think every American owns a flame thrower and an AT gun.

Comical! :D

trickyvic
10-28-2009, 9:07 AM
Damn, I want a flamethrower real bad.

Me too! :D

paul0660
10-28-2009, 9:17 AM
Hmmm.....at 1:48, that's a full auto sks.

Dirtbiker
10-28-2009, 9:21 AM
I can't get my head around how people can own artillery, not why but how they can be legally possessed.

Dirtbiker
10-28-2009, 9:22 AM
Hmmm.....at 1:48, that's a full auto sks.

I didn't think there was such a thing.

paul0660
10-28-2009, 9:30 AM
I have heard that it is an easy modification to the sear and there are other ways to do it. Also, there is a rumor that some early Russian models were built FA/SA.

Hayashi Killian
10-28-2009, 10:34 AM
I can't get my head around how people can own artillery, not why but how they can be legally possessed.
Easy. Live in a state that doesn't prohibit it, and get a DD permit from the ATF. Bingo bango bongo, done.

k1dude
10-28-2009, 10:39 AM
OMG. That video was hilarious. If that's what they think of us, then good. They won't be messing with us, that's for sure. I want to move to Kentucky now.

afro
10-28-2009, 11:14 AM
Damn, looks like a whole lot of fun! Hilarious to think what must be going through someone's mind when watching that video if they can't own guns in their country.

SJgunguy24
10-28-2009, 11:51 AM
So can we have a 2 minute video of the islamists torching France?
How about some of that wholesome euro porn?
Maybe the crowds of men who cruise around looking for people to beat up for fun in Great Briton?
Yeah try that in "the fly over states" or maybe even out side of the bay area, and see how many M.Fer's don't get shot.

SimpleCountryActuary
10-28-2009, 7:05 PM
WTF....dd anyone else notice the guy with the rather large artillery shell being loaded.

Yes, I did. I have a sneaking suspicion that we're not allowed to shoot those in California. Maybe we should petition to be allowed to start a competitive artillery shooting league.

Desert_Rat
10-28-2009, 8:05 PM
Makes me feel like the guys at the end

THT
10-28-2009, 8:10 PM
I heard "Kentucky" and immediately thought, "Knob Creek" Good to see I wasn't disappointed :D

rolo
10-29-2009, 7:37 AM
So, anyone here speak Dutch? I have a passing familiarity with Afrikaans and it didn't sound like a hit piece. More like "oooo, look at what they can do." The Dutch have more firearm rights than much of Europe.

gregorylucas
10-29-2009, 8:07 AM
I visited Holland for 3 weeks in the late 90's on a student exchange program. I was staying with the more well-to-do folks of Dutch society and I seem to remember that they were envious of America. I'm not so sure if it was the culture or the prosperity they were seeking to emulate.

This is one of the places that I learned that socialism is not your friend, it may provide for you personally but darn, it sure tore away any amount of motivation/drive that you may have had to be something more in life.

-Greg

rolo
10-29-2009, 8:58 AM
Sometimes it takes a wake up call like spending time in another country to realize how good we have it here. My first visit to Denmark woke me up to the horrors of creeping socialism.

Walker
10-29-2009, 9:27 AM
I am going to be going to Ireland for three months. I know I am going to miss my dogs, and being able to go out and shoot now and then. If I could take a few with me I would.

beerup949
10-29-2009, 1:06 PM
That was great

pp03337
10-30-2009, 3:47 AM
The comments of the presenter are quite neutral, just stating facts. He just mentions that most Americans like to own firearms and shooting stuff and that this gathering is like heaven for gun enthusiasts. To them the sound of gun-fire is like the sound of freedom.

It seems to be a Belgian program.

Regarding the socialism in Holland. I can understand that for some Americans it feels suffocating, but it is not too bad. For my taste there are too many rules but there are also possibilities to succeed in life, we do have self-made millionaires.

Gun-laws are very strict, like the rest of Europe. However, we are allowed to own guns. You can buy AR's, SKS, AK-47, etc. they are more expensive than in the US, but we can have them. Near my town there are dozens of shooting clubs where we can shoot up to 100 meters. In the weekend we can shoot at a military range up to 500 - 600 meters. In Bisley in England one can shoot over 1000 meters.

Each country has its share of positives and negatives. I love the US, friendly people and amazing landscapes, but your health care system scares me to death.

locosway
10-30-2009, 6:22 AM
I kept seeing reports of people having to leave the UK to do their Olympic shooting. But you say you can still do target shooting there?

pp03337
10-30-2009, 6:54 AM
I believe you still can shoot all kind of disciplines there.

Here is the website of Bisley:

http://www.nsc-bisley.co.uk/

B Strong
10-30-2009, 7:56 AM
Foreign media loves the Knob Creek shoots.

Every time I went there were Asian and European media pukes walking around dumbstruck.

Whether ornot any of them took the time to learn anything, I have no idea.

pp03337
10-30-2009, 8:01 AM
Foreign media loves the Knob Creek shoots.

Every time I went there were Asian and European media pukes walking around dumbstruck.

Whether ornot any of them took the time to learn anything, I have no idea.

I can't blaim them (media pukes). I am a gun owner and loves to shoot. But even I am a bit surprised that one can shoot a canon at Knob Creek. :eek:

Dr Rockso
10-30-2009, 8:07 AM
I believe you still can shoot all kind of disciplines there.

Here is the website of Bisley:

http://www.nsc-bisley.co.uk/

My understanding is that handguns are pretty much completely illegal in Britain, aside from some antiques and long-barreled revolvers with wire buttstocks. I think it is indeed true that their Olympic pistol team has to go out of the country to practice with their real guns. At home they're limited to airguns.

I saw some videos from the British version of NRA highpower. They mostly seemed to use AR-15s but no gas parts in them, instead they have a little knob sticking out the ejection port to use as a straight pull bolt action. My understanding is that rifles and shotguns are at least possible to obtain, but the process is very long and your application can be arbitrarily denied.

B Strong
10-30-2009, 8:11 AM
I can't blaim them (media pukes). I am a gun owner and loves to shoot. But even I am a bit surprised that one can shoot a canon at Knob Creek. :eek:

Nothing at all wrong with being surprised on that, it's the fact that the visuals are used for propaganda (for the most part) and no effort (imo) ever gets put into telling the true story of how things works in the NFA world.

I have seen USA news reports that hint around that there are no restrictions on the possession of NFA weapons and devices, and even go so far as to show type 01 AW sales in the same story, inferring that the stuff is sold OTC.

The foreign media reports aren't any better.

pp03337
10-30-2009, 8:17 AM
In Holland it takes about 12 - 15 months to get a permit to own a firearm, first you have to be member of a shooting club for at least 1 year before you can apply for the permit.

Folks with a criminal record can forget about it.

Once the permit is given, you can buy pretty much anything except automatic weapons, canons, .50 cal rifles, granates, rockets, mines, nukes, what have you.

Like in the US, AR's are quite popular next to Sigs. Although the AR's from Oberland Arms and Sabre Defense will cost you at least a kidney or two.

Afterburnt
10-31-2009, 2:51 PM
the French laugh at us, game over

Napalm Bulldog
10-31-2009, 5:55 PM
If anything it shows why you shouldnt mess with America! I see it in a positive light! :drool5:

Hoop
10-31-2009, 6:15 PM
Like in the US, AR's are quite popular next to Sigs. Although the AR's from Oberland Arms and Sabre Defense will cost you at least a kidney or two.

Yeah, but they can still buy dragunovs there when we can't (such BS, part of the Clintoonius legacy).

PressCheck
11-01-2009, 9:20 AM
Been to Knob Creek twice. About as much fun that you can have with your cloths on.

locosway
11-01-2009, 9:33 AM
Been to Knob Creek twice. About as much fun that you can have with your cloths on.

Hmm... Wonder is there's ever nudist shoots...

Hayashi Killian
11-01-2009, 9:56 AM
I imagine nudist shoots would hurt a lot due to hot brass flying *everywhere*.

I would think the simple thought of a chance of hot brass running along your meat & 2 veg would shyanyone away from that.

locosway
11-01-2009, 9:59 AM
Ok, maybe a BDSM nudist shoot then... :43:

SJgunguy24
11-01-2009, 1:00 PM
So they gaze at the wonder of civilian firearms ownership. The fact that anybody with a clean record and who isn't insane can own a gun.
Who cares what they think, i'll tell you guys this. Next time there is a disaster or some issue that a country can't deal with on their own. Lets sit back and laugh.......but gun toting Americans don't do that..no we help because it's in our nature as a people.

locosway
11-01-2009, 3:19 PM
So they gaze at the wonder of civilian firearms ownership. The fact that anybody with a clean record and who isn't insane can own a gun.
Who cares what they think, i'll tell you guys this. Next time there is a disaster or some issue that a country can't deal with on their own. Lets sit back and laugh.......but gun toting Americans don't do that..no we help because it's in our nature as a people.

This reminds me of an email I read some time ago... Let me see if I can work it up through the magic of gmail...


Then there was a conference in France where a number of international
engineers were taking part, including French and American. During a
break one of the French engineers came back into the room saying 'Have
you heard the latest dumb stunt Bush has done? He has sent an aircraft
carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami victims. What does he intend
to do, bomb them?'

A Boeing engineer stood up and replied quietly: 'Our carriers have three
hospitals on board that can treat several hundred people; they are
nuclear powered and can supply emergency electrical power to shore
facilities; they have three cafeterias with the capacity to feed 3,000
people three meals a day, they can produce several thousand gallons of
fresh water from sea water each day, and they carry half a dozen
helicopters for use in transporting victims and injured to and from
their flight deck.. We have eleven such ships; how many does France
have?'

locosway
11-01-2009, 3:21 PM
Ok, it was a good email whether or not it's true. So, I'm going to post the entire thing. :)

When in England at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by
the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example
of empire building' by George Bush.

He answered by saying, 'Over the years, the United States has sent many
of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom
beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in
return is enough to bury those that did not return.

You could have heard a pin drop.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Then there was a conference in France where a number of international
engineers were taking part, including French and American. During a
break one of the French engineers came back into the room saying 'Have
you heard the latest dumb stunt Bush has done? He has sent an aircraft
carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami victims. What does he intend
to do, bomb them?'

A Boeing engineer stood up and replied quietly: 'Our carriers have three
hospitals on board that can treat several hundred people; they are
nuclear powered and can supply emergency electrical power to shore
facilities; they have three cafeterias with the capacity to feed 3,000
people three meals a day, they can produce several thousand gallons of
fresh water from sea water each day, and they carry half a dozen
helicopters for use in transporting victims and injured to and from
their flight deck.. We have eleven such ships; how many does France
have?'

You could have heard a pin drop.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A U .S. Navy Admiral was attending a naval conference that included
Admirals from the U.S., English, Canadian, Aust ralian and French Navies.
At a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a large group of
Officers that included personnel from most of those countries. Everyone
was chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks but a French
admiral suddenly complained that, 'whereas Europeans learn many
languages, Americans learn only English.' He then asked, 'Why is it that
we always have to speak English in these conferences rather than
speaking French?'

Without hesitating, the American Admiral replied 'Maybe it's because
the Brits, Canadians, Aussies and Americans arranged it so you wouldn't
have to speak German.'

You could have heard a pin drop.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

AND THIS STORY FITS RIGHT IN WITH THE ABOVE ...

A group of Americans, retired teachers, recently went to France on a
tour. Robert Whiting, an elderly gentleman of 83, arrived in Paris by
plane. At French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his passport
in his carry on.




"You have been to France before, monsieur?" the customs officer asked

sarcastically. Mr. Whiting admitted that he had been to France previously.

"Then you should know enough to have your passport ready."

The American said, "The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it."

"Impossible. Americans always have to show your passports on arrival in
France!"

The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he
quietly explained. "Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-Day in
'44 to help liberate this country, I couldn't find any damn Frenchmen to
show it to."

You could have heard a pin drop.

SJgunguy24
11-01-2009, 4:24 PM
Locos......fake or not, it's all true and it never gets old.

:79:

Intimid8tor
11-01-2009, 6:14 PM
I hope they view us as armed to the hilt. We are!

gregorylucas
11-01-2009, 6:18 PM
In Holland it takes about 12 - 15 months to get a permit to own a firearm, first you have to be member of a shooting club for at least 1 year before you can apply for the permit.

Folks with a criminal record can forget about it.

Once the permit is given, you can buy pretty much anything except automatic weapons, canons, .50 cal rifles, granates, rockets, mines, nukes, what have you.

Like in the US, AR's are quite popular next to Sigs. Although the AR's from Oberland Arms and Sabre Defense will cost you at least a kidney or two.

Well that's good that Dutch society allows it's citizens to own a variety of firearms but what do you do if you need a gun sooner than 1 year + 12-15 months? Say for self-defense? When I was there I remember Holland being a pretty friendly place but there again I was not staying in questionable places but there has to be some sort of crimminal element somewhere.

-Greg

SJgunguy24
11-01-2009, 6:51 PM
Well that's good that Dutch society allows it's citizens to own a variety of firearms but what do you do if you need a gun sooner than 1 year + 12-15 months? Say for self-defense? When I was there I remember Holland being a pretty friendly place but there again I was not staying in questionable places but there has to be some sort of crimminal element somewhere.

-Greg

In Holland I believe they're called muslum fundamentalists. Holland is waking up and deporting them also. When that Van Gough dude was murderd a few years ago that got their attention.

SJgunguy24
11-01-2009, 6:51 PM
I hope they view us as armed to the hilt. We are!

Check

pp03337
11-02-2009, 2:47 AM
Well that's good that Dutch society allows it's citizens to own a variety of firearms but what do you do if you need a gun sooner than 1 year + 12-15 months? Say for self-defense? When I was there I remember Holland being a pretty friendly place but there again I was not staying in questionable places but there has to be some sort of crimminal element somewhere.

-GregThey allow us the firearms for shooting competitions and shooting practice only and NOT for self defense. At home, we have to store them in a gun-safe with the ammo locked separately.

When the bad-guys come, we cannot roll out of bed in our mickey-mouse underwear and our Ho-Chi-Minh flip-flops, grab the loaded AR-15 from the night-stand and start engaging them bad-guys.

Once a year the police come by surprise to see if you have stored the weapons correctly. They take your Permit and the weapons if you don't.

Regarding self-defense. There are some liquidations now and then, but they are rare and relates mostly to criminals taking care of each other. The real dangerous killers do not go to people houses to steal the silverware from Ikea. They deal in drugs, women, what have you. The burglars most of the time flee when the owners wake up and stumble down the stairs.

One jewelry-shop owner has gunned down two robbers some time ago in Rotterdam, he putted two .45 ACP slugs in one of the robbers.

caoboy
11-02-2009, 11:38 AM
I wish california was like that.