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pratchett
10-25-2009, 12:12 PM
Would rail mounting a hand stop (like this one from Falcon Industries (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=53360/pid=22496/sku/SureStop_Rail_Handstop?mc_id=10000)) be considered construction or possession of an AOW by the ATF?

JagerTroop
10-25-2009, 12:18 PM
I would say,"it's not worth it"

if you want a handstop, get this one (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=22496/Product/ERGO_GRIP_reg__RAIL_HANDSTOPS)

Dr Rockso
10-25-2009, 12:23 PM
I think the one in your original post is too borderline. Do like Jager said or, if you want to spend money, get the Knight (http://www.knightarmco.com/shop2/index.php?productID=308) version.

bohoki
10-25-2009, 5:56 PM
or better yet just use a laser or something maybe even a sling swivel

adamsreeftank
10-25-2009, 6:05 PM
Would rail mounting a hand stop (like this one from Falcon Industries (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=53360/pid=22496/sku/SureStop_Rail_Handstop?mc_id=10000)) be considered construction or possession of an AOW by the ATF?

If you had the separate parts and the only logical combination of them was an illegal configuration, you could be prosecuted for "constructive posession". If you actually put the pieces together, then you could be charged with manufacturing or posession of an illegal item.

Either way, I would not risk using the item in your link on a pistol.

gunn
10-26-2009, 6:40 AM
As a corollary, what do you guys think of the magwell grips that are available and wrap around the magwell?

http://www.makosecurity.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/MWG_full.jpg
http://www.natchezss.com/images/products/NAMWG.jpg

Similar, but lower on the magwell and doubles as an oversized magwell.
http://www.ar15products.net/l_069000007_1.jpg

My suspicion is that on an AR pistol, installation would mean that you intend to use it as a vertical grip. Hence, a no-no unless you have an AOW stamp.

Any other opinions?
-g

Untamed1972
10-26-2009, 12:45 PM
I'm not even quite sure based on that picture linked in the OP how the thing even works or what it's for.

Fate
10-26-2009, 6:14 PM
I think the one in your original post is too borderline. Do like Jager said or, if you want to spend money, get the Knight (http://www.knightarmco.com/shop2/index.php?productID=308) version.
Agree. The KAC one is also a sling swivel mount. In no way is it intended to be a grip.

pratchett
10-26-2009, 8:27 PM
As a corollary, what do you guys think of the magwell grips that are available and wrap around the magwell?

http://www.makosecurity.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/MWG_full.jpg

Now THAT is an interesting idea. Thoughts?

Cokebottle
10-26-2009, 8:32 PM
Now THAT is an interesting idea. Thoughts?
IMHO, forward vertical grip is a forward vertical grip, whether it's mounted to the bottom rail or the mag well.

bigcalidave
10-26-2009, 9:21 PM
Seriously, I think its bad enough that they could just construe anything already there as a VFG, am I missing something, wasn't part of the law anything around the barrel that you could hold as well?
Adding something with finger grooves is really pushing it.
That said, I'd love to see someone fight it.