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WarEagle
10-24-2009, 5:18 PM
Sorry to excite you all, Gene is not running for Congress (that I know of ;))

Doug Hoffman (I-NY) is running and we need more people like him in Congress.

Where do you stand on the Second Amendment?
The Second Amendment is far more vital to our nation than just protecting the recreational activities of hunters and target shooters. The Founding Fathers thought these right’s so vital to a free country that they specifically created the Bill of Rights. They did not want to leave any doubt as to what tools must be available to the lone citizen.

• The first amendment's protection of the ability to question government and assuring the capacity of citizens to communicate to one another.
• The fifth amendment's designation of property rights as the clear demarcation line between the individual and the community.
• The fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh's establishing the due process by which the judiciary and law enforcement officers must adhere to in applying the law to individuals.

But the second amendment was included to give bite to the other protections outlined in the Bill of Rights. Without it, all other amendments are nothing more than talk.

Doug Hoffman believes citizens in all states plus the District of Columbia should have a “Right to Carry” with a CCW permits, a right that is now enjoyed in over 38 states.

Doug Hoffman opposes any federal ban or registration on the types and cosmetics of rifles that law-abiding American citizens can own.

If you've already contributed to CalGuns recently and have a few extra bucks to spare, Doug Hoffman can use your contributions. His stance on the RKBA earned him a few of my bucks today.

http://www.doughoffmanforcongress.com/

unusedusername
10-24-2009, 6:02 PM
Oh Doug Hoffman.... I was thinking Gene... lol

JagerTroop
10-24-2009, 6:05 PM
Seems almost too good to be true.

A politician with these views are few and far between. However, does he have the stones to back it up (if elected)? Time will tell...

hoffmang
10-24-2009, 6:31 PM
If you've already contributed to CalGuns recently and have a few extra bucks to spare, Doug Hoffman can use your contributions. His stance on the RKBA earned him a few of my bucks today.


Does he have a chance of winning? Hate to be crass about it but I don't want folks to waste $$$. However, if he has a real chance, $$$ matter.

-Gene

dustoff31
10-24-2009, 6:42 PM
Does he have a chance of winning? Hate to be crass about it but I don't want folks to waste $$$. However, if he has a real chance, $$$ matter.

-Gene

There was a spot on TV today about him. He appears to be doing rather well against both the Dem. and Rep. candidates.

It seems that Sarah Palin has endorsed him over the Republican candidate that the party hacks appointed to run. I don't know if that will help or hurt him.

WarEagle
10-24-2009, 6:47 PM
Actually if the RINO Republican in the race bows out, he has an excellent chance of winning. What are the chances of her bowing out? Unlikely, but there has been talk she may switch parties because she has no party support from the GOP.

hoffmang
10-24-2009, 7:04 PM
Yep. Just saw the Palin endorsement. I take back my concern.

-Gene

dantodd
10-24-2009, 7:53 PM
Not real fond of the way he posthumously connects himself with Reagan and the tenuous connection to the "Miracle on Ice." But, if he's THE pro-2A candidate and has a shot at winning I'll watch most interestedly.

USAFTS
10-25-2009, 2:53 AM
Seems almost too good to be true.

A politician with these views are few and far between. However, does he have the stones to back it up (if elected)? Time will tell...

The District 11 Congressional race has a candidate for us to really look at. I spent nearly 30 minutes on the phone with him last evening and seems to be the real deal. Brad's answer to "Where do you stand on the 2nd Amendment?" was "Well, I'm probably the only candidate with a concealed weapons permit."

If you are a voter in the 11th district, do yourself a favor and go to his website and consider supporting Brad in his attempt at unseating Democrat Jerry McNerny. Brad Goehring for Congress (http://www.goehringforcongress.com/)

JagerTroop
10-25-2009, 11:47 AM
The District 11 Congressional race has a candidate for us to really look at. I spent nearly 30 minutes on the phone with him last evening and seems to be the real deal. Brad's answer to "Where do you stand on the 2nd Amendment?" was "Well, I'm probably the only candidate with a concealed weapons permit."

If you are a voter in the 11th district, do yourself a favor and go to his website and consider supporting Brad in his attempt at unseating Democrat Jerry McNerny. Brad Goehring for Congress (http://www.goehringforcongress.com/)

I like what you're saying, but that answer isn't going to cut it. The question should've been, " how do you feel about 2a, and how it applies to the people?"

Hell, Feinstein had a CCW...

USAFTS
10-25-2009, 12:23 PM
I like what you're saying, but that answer isn't going to cut it. The question should've been, " how do you feel about 2a, and how it applies to the people?"

Hell, Feinstein had a CCW...

I agree JT. That was not the entire answer but attached to the rest of the answer was a clear desire for a government that truly represents the people by living up to and upholding the Constitution. Take a look for yourself.

ALSO - The last time I spoke with Feinstein I asked her, Point-Blank, "How do you justify your desire to take away my gun while you have your own CCW?".

Her complete answer was, "This is not the time for that".

The translation of her answer is..."I really don't want to answer that question right now because this is a fundraiser and I don't want to look bad".

JagerTroop
10-25-2009, 1:21 PM
...ALSO - The last time I spoke with Feinstein I asked her, Point-Blank, "How do you justify your desire to take away my gun while you have your own CCW?".

Her complete answer was, "This is not the time for that".

The translation of her answer is..."I really don't want to answer that question right now because this is a fundraiser and I don't want to look bad".

DUDE! NICE! :thumbsup: I would've loved to have seen that b*tch sweat.


eta* you should've asked her," so when is the time? Give me a time and place (in writing, signed) and I'll ask you again. This time I'll have a video camera. You're not slithering away from this." :D

USAFTS
10-25-2009, 1:35 PM
DUDE! NICE! :thumbsup: I would've loved to have seen that b*tch sweat.

Actually, I don't think it's possible for her to sweat. She had so much makeup on that shee looked like a wax figure. The look on her face was PRICELESS, however. I was working and professionally, I should not have even spoken to her at all. I found myself with her and out of the earshot of her staff. I broke my own rule and I decided to go for the question. I never heard anything about it, so she obviously did not complain to my employer. (She likely did not want it to become worthy of the 11:00 news) Little does she know I would have gone strait to Beck, Hannity and the NRA if she would have chosen to make it an issue.

Dr Rockso
10-25-2009, 2:19 PM
This is her typical response to CCW questions:

"I possessed a concealed weapon permit for a short time beginning in 1976. In the mid‑1970s, a terrorist organization ‑‑ the New World Liberation Front ‑‑ carried out two attacks against me and my family. In the first, a bomb was placed outside the window of my daughter's bedroom. It detonated but did not explode. We were lucky: the weather was particularly (and unusually) cold, and the explosive they used didn't explode in below‑freezing temperatures. In the second, they shot out the windows of our beach home. My husband was terminally ill with cancer at the time.

Later, some of the members of the New World Liberation Front were arrested, and the threat abated. At that point, I had the gun -- and several other weapons that were turned into the police -- melted into a cross, which I presented to Pope John Paul II when I visited Rome in 1982. Currently, I do not possess a gun, nor do I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon."

USAFTS
10-25-2009, 6:27 PM
This is her typical response to CCW questions:

"I possessed a concealed weapon permit for a short time beginning in 1976. In the mid‑1970s, a terrorist organization ‑‑ the New World Liberation Front ‑‑ carried out two attacks against me and my family. In the first, a bomb was placed outside the window of my daughter's bedroom. It detonated but did not explode. We were lucky: the weather was particularly (and unusually) cold, and the explosive they used didn't explode in below‑freezing temperatures. In the second, they shot out the windows of our beach home. My husband was terminally ill with cancer at the time.

Later, some of the members of the New World Liberation Front were arrested, and the threat abated. At that point, I had the gun -- and several other weapons that were turned into the police -- melted into a cross, which I presented to Pope John Paul II when I visited Rome in 1982. Currently, I do not possess a gun, nor do I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon."

I have seen this crap before. It's interesting that when SHE feels there is a threat and a reason to protect HERself and HER family...getting a weapon and a permit to carry it is OK. BUT THE REST OF US? NO! We are not responsible, intelligent or important enough to exercise the same right.

I have bad news for Pe-lousy...Her threat NEVER went away. It is ALWAYS there...and it goes up and down all day long, every day. She STILL has the need for a CCW.

I am an Executive Security provider for a well known business man and his family. He carries the same elevated threat-level as every other celbrity and because of the size of his bank account as well as his political ties, he has been confirmed by Homeland Security as a valid and varified soft-target for international and domestic terrorism. Because I am tasked with his protection...HIS THREAT BECOMES MY THREAT. That threat follows me home to my wife and children. Because I am unfortunate enough to live in the land of Pelosi and Boxer, I am unable to obtain a CCW. When we leave the relative safety of the estate, I am unable to provide a viable level of protection for myself, let alone my employer.

How can she (They) justify this infringment? They cannot. True justification is not Constitutional or possible...an agenda-driven "excuse" is an entirely different story.

WarEagle
10-31-2009, 10:41 AM
Update:

The RINO Dede Scozzafava has "suspended" her campaign for the NY-23 race, leaving the Dem and the Pro-2A, Conservative Independent. When I originally posted this thread, I was hopeful but not confident that Hoffman could make a difference. I'm predicting a Hoffman win on Tuesday. Hope I'm not wrong.

Paul E
10-31-2009, 11:33 AM
thats great news! thanks for the update.

WarEagle
10-31-2009, 12:14 PM
Scozzafava Spokesperson Gracious in Defeat Salutes the Efforts of Tea Party Activists and the Conservative Blogosphere

http://www.tcotreport.com/gracious1031.html

bulgron
10-31-2009, 12:17 PM
Update:

The RINO Dede Scozzafava has "suspended" her campaign for the NY-23 race, leaving the Dem and the Pro-2A, Conservative Independent. When I originally posted this thread, I was hopeful but not confident that Hoffman could make a difference. I'm predicting a Hoffman win on Tuesday. Hope I'm not wrong.

Any word on how Hoffman polls against the Dem challenger?

hoffmang
10-31-2009, 1:03 PM
Before Scozzafava dropped:
NY-23 SIENA POLL: Hoffman 35, Owens 36, Scozzafava 20

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2009/house/ny/new_york_23rd_district_special_election-1119.html

-Gene

Timberline
10-31-2009, 2:02 PM
Sorry to excite you all, Gene is not running for Congress (that I know of ;))

Doug Hoffman (I-NY) is running and we need more people like him in Congress.

If you've already contributed to CalGuns recently and have a few extra bucks to spare, Doug Hoffman can use your contributions. His stance on the RKBA earned him a few of my bucks today.

http://www.doughoffmanforcongress.com/

Hoffman is a looney fringer, is unaware of local issues and not even a homeowner in the district he wants to represent. Have you seen his positions on other issues? :rolleyes: Why should the good people of the 23rd Congressional district support a blatant carpetbagger?

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/conservative-partys-hoffman-unable-to-answer-questions-on-local-issues-in-ny-23.php

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/conservative-partys-hoffman-previously-sought-earmark-now-opposes-them.php

As to money... I wonder how the RNC is feeling, after pouring out $900k on the lady with the funny-sounding last name? :D

Timberline
10-31-2009, 2:04 PM
The District 11 Congressional race has a candidate for us to really look at. I spent nearly 30 minutes on the phone with him last evening and seems to be the real deal. Brad's answer to "Where do you stand on the 2nd Amendment?" was "Well, I'm probably the only candidate with a concealed weapons permit."

If you are a voter in the 11th district, do yourself a favor and go to his website and consider supporting Brad in his attempt at unseating Democrat Jerry McNerny. Brad Goehring for Congress (http://www.goehringforcongress.com/)

If you're going to base your vote solely on RKBA issues, what has McNerney done to deserve not being returned to office?

dustoff31
10-31-2009, 2:26 PM
Why should the good people of the 23rd Congressional district support a blatant carpetbagger?

According to this, the people of the 23rd district don't have a problem with him. Why would you?

Before Scozzafava dropped:
NY-23 SIENA POLL: Hoffman 35, Owens 36, Scozzafava 20

It seems Hoffman has at least as much a grip on local issues as the Dem and much more than the RINO.

As to money... I wonder how the RNC is feeling, after pouring out $900k on the lady with the funny-sounding last name? :D

Probably much the same as the DNC feels about the NJ and VA governor races.

Timberline
10-31-2009, 2:42 PM
Probably much the same as the DNC feels about the NJ and VA governor races.

Ah, but Corzine and Deeds aren't pulling Palins... they're still in the race. :D

dustoff31
10-31-2009, 2:45 PM
Ah, but Corzine and Deeds aren't pulling Palins... they're still in the race. :D

Yes, but like Palin, Deeds and quite likely Cozine will become former Governors.

WarEagle
10-31-2009, 3:45 PM
Hoffman is a looney fringer, is unaware of local issues and not even a homeowner in the district he wants to represent. Have you seen his positions on other issues? :rolleyes: Why should the good people of the 23rd Congressional district support a blatant carpetbagger?

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/conservative-partys-hoffman-unable-to-answer-questions-on-local-issues-in-ny-23.php

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/conservative-partys-hoffman-previously-sought-earmark-now-opposes-them.php

As to money... I wonder how the RNC is feeling, after pouring out $900k on the lady with the funny-sounding last name? :D

If you're going to call someone a "looney fringer" at least post evidence to backup that claim. If it was so important for someone to live in the district they run for, they would make it a requirement. It's not a requirement so if it's so important to you, do something to try and spark a change.

The people of NY-23 will vote for the person they want to represent them come Tuesday. I'll guess we'll see if they agree with you or not.

7x57
10-31-2009, 3:50 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/conservative-partys-hoffman-unable-to-answer-questions-on-local-issues-in-ny-23.php

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/conservative-partys-hoffman-previously-sought-earmark-now-opposes-them.php


Well, I'm not going to bother reading anything at TPM, but if they're against Hoffman that would be good enough for me to volunteer with the campaign if I were anywhere nearby. To misquote Churchill, if TPM were to come out against the devil in a race for public office I would at least undertake to make positive remarks about his candidacy. :43:


As to money... I wonder how the RNC is feeling, after pouring out $900k on the lady with the funny-sounding last name? :D

Very, very gunshy about trying that again, one hopes.

7x57

OntheRocks
10-31-2009, 4:55 PM
Don't you just hate it when the socialists troll the board.:rolleyes:

7x57
10-31-2009, 5:08 PM
Don't you just hate it when the socialists troll the board.:rolleyes:

It would be nice if they'd try to do something about their own party's hatred of guns so gun-banning is too dangerous to touch for either party, but they'd rather repeat media lies about people who believe in the Constitution I guess.

It just motivates me to spend more time and energy on issues they hate. :43:

7x57

Timberline
10-31-2009, 5:27 PM
It would be nice if they'd try to do something about their own party's hatred of guns so gun-banning is too dangerous to touch for either party, but they'd rather repeat media lies about people who believe in the Constitution I guess.

It just motivates me to spend more time and energy on issues they hate. :43:

Francis Bellamy was a Socialist, go figure.

But do today's Socialists have a party? Indeed they do, although not one with any impact at a state or national level. Strictly marginal fringers, they are.

7x57
10-31-2009, 5:58 PM
But do today's Socialists have a party? Indeed they do, although not one with any impact at a state or national level. Strictly marginal fringers, they are.

That one is only there to distract the audience from the real Socialist party. That is, the party in power right now. :chris:

You can learn a lot about politics from stage magicians. Sometimes, though, they slip: "We Are Trying on Every Front to Increase the Role of Government in the Area of Regulation.”

The guy who architected the bank failures would know, I guess.

7x57

yellowfin
10-31-2009, 6:00 PM
From what I gather, Corzine's replacement is scarcely better if at all. NJ can't find anyone to run for office other than gun hating corrupt to the core lunatics.

Telperion
10-31-2009, 6:38 PM
One wonders why Scozzafava was being supported by the Republicans in the first place. According to the WSJ, she was being attacked by her Democrat opponent as being a tax hiker, and she has backed union card check.

Foulball
10-31-2009, 6:42 PM
One wonders why Scozzafava was being supported by the Republicans in the first place. According to the WSJ, she was being attacked by her Democrat opponent as being a tax hiker, and she has backed union card check.

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Her husband is also a local union boss.
Kind of makes you wonder where the Republican Machine's head was at.

Quser.619
10-31-2009, 7:53 PM
The worst part about the money being spent is that this is a special election & the seat will be back up next year

Codelphious
10-31-2009, 8:52 PM
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Her husband is also a local union boss.
Kind of makes you wonder where the Republican Machine's head was at.


Republicans see the "R" next to her name, and that's all that matters. Hitler could be elected today if he ran as a Republican.

I encourage everyone to join the "Decline to state" (i.e. "independent") party. It's the party of George Washington.

MolonLabe2008
10-31-2009, 8:55 PM
Isn't Doug Hoffman the guy Palin endorsed?

Yes, it is.

Aptos
10-31-2009, 10:15 PM
$25.00 sent.

OntheRocks
11-01-2009, 1:20 PM
But do today's Socialists have a party? Indeed they do...

Yes. They are now known as democrats.

OntheRocks
11-01-2009, 1:22 PM
Scozzafava drops out and endorses the DEMOCRAT.:rofl2:

7x57
11-02-2009, 8:07 AM
Scozzafava drops out and endorses the DEMOCRAT.:rofl2:

And it sure did help:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NY23_1101424.pdf


Hoffman primed for dominant victory
Raleigh, N.C. – Doug Hoffman has a large lead in his bid to be elected the new
Congressman from New York’s 23rd Congressional District.
Hoffman is at 51% to 34% for Bill Owens and 13% for Dede Scozzafava in the poll
conducted over the weekend. In a two way contest against Owens, Hoffman holds a 54-
38 advantage.
Among Republicans Hoffman is at 71% to 15% for Scozzafava and 12% for Owens.
With independents Hoffman holds a 52-30 lead over Owens. Owens is getting 67% of
the Democratic vote to 21% for Hoffman and 10% for Scozzafava.
It was somewhat of a tumultuous polling weekend, first with Scozzafava’s withdrawal on
Saturday and then with her endorsement of Owens on Sunday. But there were no
significant differences in the numbers at any point over the course of the weekend.
Hoffman led Owens by 18 points in interviews before Scozzafava’s withdrawal, 19
points in between her withdrawal and the announcement of her endorsement, and by 14
points subsequent to her encouraging people to vote for Owens.
“NY-23 is shaping up as a huge victory for the grassroots conservative wing of the
Republican Party,” said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. “Doug
Hoffman was able to convince GOP voters to choose him over the party’s own nominee
and it looks like he will win a resounding victory.”
Barack Obama’s approval rating in the district is 39%. Those planning to vote Tuesday
say they voted for John McCain by a 51-43 margin last year, an indication of reduced
Democratic turnout.
PPP surveyed 1,747 likely NY-23 voters on October 31st and November 1st. The
survey’s margin of error is +/-2.3%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and
weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.
Complete results are attached and can be found at www.publicpolicypolling.com.


:smilielol5:

That said, triumphalism isn't in order--lasting victory is created by attracting new voters, not simply depending on the other guy's voters not showing up. However, PPP has the conservative winning in all three bellweather races.

7x57

WarEagle
11-02-2009, 7:47 PM
I never thought I would be so interested in an upstate NY Congress race and races in Virgina, New Jersey and CA-10 but tomorrow will definitely be an interesting day indeed.

bomb_on_bus
11-02-2009, 8:16 PM
If hes related to Gene he's got my support!

But on a side note WE NEED SOMEONE LIKE THIS RUNNING FOR GOVRENOR IN CA!!!!!!!!!!!!

bomb_on_bus
11-04-2009, 8:08 AM
Looks like the dems took a big hit and lost a couple of states.

I guess people don't want to loose healthcare, 401K's, homes, and jobs like BO thought.

EastBayRidge
11-04-2009, 8:38 AM
All in all, not bad for the 2nd, according to Dave Kopel. (http://volokh.com/2009/11/04/another-good-night-for-the-second-amendment/)

"NY-23: Winning Democrat Bill Owens was A-rated by NRA (as was Hoffman)."

Timberline
11-04-2009, 6:42 PM
Looks like the dems took a big hit and lost a couple of states.

I guess people don't want to loose healthcare, 401K's, homes, and jobs like BO thought.

"lose"

The Democrats added two votes in the House, one from California (Tauscher's old seat, which was vacant) and McHugh's in the NY-23 race, subject of this thread. NY-23 had been Republican since even before John McCain was voting, and those crackerjack Yankees went for the Democrat, rejecting the carpetbagger Hoffman.

Interestingly, all of New England's 22 congressional seats are held by Democrats, and now 27 of New York's 29 seats are held by Democrats. A pretty solid regional base, of practical and pragmatic citizens, most of whom are not wild-eyed gun grabbers. What is Michael Steele's plan to gain congressional seats in the North East?

USAFTS
11-04-2009, 6:52 PM
If you're going to base your vote solely on RKBA issues, what has McNerney done to deserve not being returned to office?

Where in ANY of my posts did I ever say that I was voting solely on RKBA issues? This is calGUNS.net. I thought perhaps there may be an individual or two that would appreciate a pro-gun candidate.

Timberline
11-04-2009, 7:00 PM
Where in ANY of my posts did I ever say that I was voting solely on RKBA issues? This is calGUNS.net. I thought perhaps there may be an individual or two that would appreciate a pro-gun candidate.

It was a rhetorical question, not directed at anyone in particular, and certainly not meant to imply that you base your own votes solely on RKBA issues. Since you only presented reasons associated with RKBA in your support of McNerney's 2010 opponent, I asked for any information that would indicate McNerney is weak on that point.

In other words, were you claiming McNerney is anti-gun?

USAFTS
11-04-2009, 7:43 PM
It was a rhetorical question, not directed at anyone in particular, and certainly not meant to imply that you base your own votes solely on RKBA issues. Since you only presented reasons associated with RKBA in your support of McNerney's 2010 opponent, I asked for any information that would indicate McNerney is weak on that point.

In other words, were you claiming McNerney is anti-gun?

My apologies. The way it was worded did, in fact, seem to be directed at me specifically.

Without spending a half hour retrieving supporting links, I can tell you that McNerney has a history of being less-than-sympathetic to the rights of legal gun owners. In 2008 he was given an "F" rating by the NRA as an enemy of the second amendment:

Jerry McNerney - F

F = True enemy of gun owners’ rights. A consistent anti-gun candidate who always opposes gun owners’ rights and/or actively leads anti-gun legislative efforts, or sponsors anti-gun legislation.

There is also a laundry list of other liberal reasons, opinions and votes cast by McNerney that will lead my vote elsewhere. I happen to know Brad personally and I am comfortable with him as a person as well as a political candidate.