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Desert_Rat
10-21-2009, 7:34 PM
Well it finally happened.I went to the local CHP office to meet my wife there for Vin verification on a motorcycle.I pulled into the lot.The officer was there already He shakes my hand and goes into bringing Me up speed on the bike.Then I say"In accordance with the instructions set by the county Sheriff,I need to tell you that I have a CCW license and am armed at this time"The officer replies fine with Me,we need to go into the office so leave it in your truck."Then while he waits I unloaded it and lock it up in the service body of My truck. Then we go about business as usual.Kinda weird to handle it in front of a LEO for Me, but as it turns out it was a non-event as well.

Blue
10-21-2009, 7:36 PM
Sweet.

EBR Works
10-21-2009, 9:19 PM
Good job!

bballwizard05
10-21-2009, 9:26 PM
cool story! now if only i could get a ccw....

ZirconJohn
10-21-2009, 9:31 PM
Nice job.
My first encounter w/ LEO I said nothing until he asked... that sitch did not go too well. I got my gun back after he unloaded it... no ticket, just a good chew-out session.
Second encounter in another County, I came clean immediately. No ticket, and Officer was just very cool.
The CCW is not a 'get out of ticket free card'... of that I am certain, I just happened to get luck on that deal.

Big Jake
10-22-2009, 6:33 AM
This is how it should be. A non-issue!

bigcalidave
10-22-2009, 11:08 PM
Are you sure you have to tell any LEO you come across? Or is it just ones you have dealings with? Are pulled over by?
I'm fairly positive we don't have to up here (shasta) or I can see how annoying it could get whenever an LEO walks by you. Also, whats with the unloading and securing? You have a CCW. You can have a loaded and concealed weapon. Why are you unloading it?

Gnzrme
10-22-2009, 11:12 PM
Is this a requirement of all Kern Permits?....As far as unloading, are you infact supposed to obey all orders from a Peace Officer in regards to CCW? Would probably be in your best interest to do so....

Desert_Rat
10-23-2009, 12:12 PM
Telling LEO is a condition of Kern permits,Only LE you are in contact with.I'd consider a LEO I'm in contact with as being the guy I was going into the station with to fill out a report.So,I informed before we went any further.And if the LEO says leave it in the truck,that's what I'd do.and did do.As farf as unlloading,If I'm not there in control of the firearm then it's not being carried and it's just a gun locked up.

Swatguy10_15
10-26-2009, 10:40 PM
Are you sure you have to tell any LEO you come across? Or is it just ones you have dealings with? Are pulled over by?
I'm fairly positive we don't have to up here (shasta) or I can see how annoying it could get whenever an LEO walks by you. Also, whats with the unloading and securing? You have a CCW. You can have a loaded and concealed weapon. Why are you unloading it?

You cannot take a loaded weapon into a state bulding,ESPECIALLY A CHP OFFICE CCW OR NOT. hahahahah That sounds like bad ju ju no? And as far as county rules??There are? Ive got a CCW and no one ever mentioned anything as far as rules pertaining to when to tell an LEO. I wouldnt tell an LEO unless he asked..That just sounds like coomplications..

GrinderCB
10-26-2009, 11:07 PM
I think the key part of this encounter is the attitude and professionalism of the specific officer. Cops are human beings like the rest of us and as such are susceptible to all sorts of emotional weakness - their training and experience helps them overcome those weaknesses in most cases, but not all. This LEO clearly behaved appropriately and professionally instead of hassling you over your CCW declaration. The latter response is something I could easily see happening.

bigcalidave
10-27-2009, 1:22 AM
You cannot take a loaded weapon into a state bulding,ESPECIALLY A CHP OFFICE CCW OR NOT. hahahahah That sounds like bad ju ju no? And as far as county rules??There are? Ive got a CCW and no one ever mentioned anything as far as rules pertaining to when to tell an LEO. I wouldnt tell an LEO unless he asked..That just sounds like coomplications..

PC? You absolutely CAN carry in a state building.

a1c
10-27-2009, 9:12 AM
PC? You absolutely CAN carry in a state building.

Not in a courthouse, I can tell you that for a fact.

CWM4A1
10-27-2009, 4:26 PM
Same condition for OC permits as well, need to inform LEO if we encounter them while CCWing.

My last encounter was back in 04 when I got involved in an accident. Responding CHP ask for my ID and I handed my permit along with it, kind of a silent way to inform him I was lawful carrying. He didn't even ask where my gun was. Wrote the incident report and sent both of us on our way.

ke6guj
10-27-2009, 4:40 PM
Not in a courthouse, I can tell you that for a fact.The PC allows for a CCW'er to legally carry in a state courthouse, but good luck making it past the metal detectors. Federal courthouses, no way.

http://www.calccw.com/Forums/where-can-t-i-carry/1090-can-i-carry-courthouse.html

CCWUSA
10-27-2009, 5:08 PM
San Diego County - The Sheriff RECOMMENDS letting the Officer know you have a permit. For Officer Safety Reasons. There is NO STATE LAW that requires you tell the LEO, however, telling him you have a permit is recommended over him/her seeing or finding your gun and responding accordingly by either pointing his gun at you and/or shooting you. I clearly state that the Sheriff recommends it, and I recommend telling the LEO if there is any chance that you may be asked to step out of the vehicle, any chance the LEO could see your gun, ammo, or magazine, or anything that might make him think you have a weapon, and represent a possible threat to the officer. I have given my License, Registration, Proof of Insurance, and CCW Permit on several occasions. Never had a problem, other than a traffic ticket.

Some LEO's want to know if there is a gun in your vehicle. Some don't care unless you are pointing it at them. :)

peter95
12-28-2009, 6:14 AM
Did you really said it word for word what you typed here? Sounds a bit nerdy... =)

Then I say "In accordance with the instructions set by the county Sheriff, I need to tell you that I have a CCW license and am armed at this time"

CAL.BAR
12-28-2009, 10:47 AM
The vast majority of us don't have to worry about the details of CCW since we will NEVER get them. OC, LA, SD - i.e. MOST of CA.

everything is more laid back in small towns and counties.

professorhard
12-28-2009, 10:53 AM
It would be nice if CA went to Alaska/Vermont style carry and this sort of thing wasn't a big deal

paul0660
12-28-2009, 10:57 AM
171b. (a) Any person who brings or possesses within any state or
local public building or at any meeting required to be open to the
public pursuant to Chapter 9 (commencing with Section 54950) of Part
1 of Division 2 of Title 5 of, or Article 9 (commencing with Section
11120) of Chapter 1 of Part 1 of Division 3 of Title 2 of, the
Government code, any of the following is guilty of a public offense
punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one
year, or in the state prison:
(1) Any firearm.
(2) Any deadly weapon described in Section 653k or 12020.
(3) Any knife with a blade length in excess of four inches, the
blade of which is fixed or is capable of being fixed in an unguarded
position by the use of one or two hands.
(4) Any unauthorized tear gas weapon.
(5) Any taser or stun gun, as defined in Section 244.5.
(6) Any instrument that expels a metallic projectile, such as a BB
or pellet, through the force of air pressure, CO2 pressure, or
spring action, or any spot marker gun or paint gun.
(b) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to, or affect, any of the
following:
(1) A person who possesses weapons in, or transports weapons into,
a court of law to be used as evidence.
(2) (A) A duly appointed peace officer as defined in Chapter 4.5
(commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, a retired peace officer with authorization to carry concealed weapons as described in subdivision (a) of Section 12027, a full-time paid peace officer of
another state or the federal government who is carrying out official
duties while in California, or any person summoned by any of these
officers to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace while he
or she is actually engaged in assisting the officer.
(B) Notwithstanding subparagraph (A), subdivision (a) shall apply
to any person who brings or possesses any weapon specified therein
within any courtroom if he or she is a party to an action pending
before the court.
(3) A person holding a valid license to carry the firearm pursuant
to Article 3 (commencing with Section 12050) of Chapter 1 of Title 2
of Part 4.

There might be something specific about cop shops, I dunno.

And, when you disarm and leave your gun in the car, you are not CCWing anymore, and it needs to be empty and locked.

Fjold
12-28-2009, 10:58 AM
The two biggest issueing counties for CCWs in California are the 10th and 13th highest population counties in the State (blue). (Soon Kern will pass San Fran). There are a lot of smaller counties that won't issue (red)

Los Angeles 10,363,850
San Diego 3,146,274
Orange 3,121,251
Riverside 2,088,322
San Bernardino 2,055,766
Santa Clara 1,820,176
Alameda 1,543,000
Sacramento 1,424,415
Contra Costa 1,051,674
Fresno 931,098
Ventura 831,537
San Francisco 824,525
Kern 817,517
San Mateo 734,453
San Joaquin 680,183
Stanislaus 525,903
Sonoma 484,470
Tulare 435,254
Monterey 428,549
Solano 423,970
Santa Barbara 425,710
Placer 333,401
San Luis Obispo 267,154
Santa Cruz 265,183
Marin 257,406
Merced 255,250
Butte 220,407
Yolo 199,066
Shasta 181,380
El Dorado 179,722
Imperial 176,158
Kings 154,434
Madera 150,887
Napa 136,704
Humboldt 132,821
Nevada 99,186
Sutter 95,878
Mendocino 90,163
Yuba 71,929
Lake 64,059
Tehama 62,419
San Benito 57,784
Tuolumne 56,799
Calaveras 46,127
Siskiyou 45,695
Amador 37,943
Lassen 35,757
Del Norte 29,419
Glenn 29,195
Colusa 21,910
Plumas 20,917
Mariposa 18,406
Inyo 18,152
Mono 13,759
Trinity 13,966
Modoc 9,702
Sierra 3,400
Alpine 1,222



Source: CA Department of Finance

MrClamperSir
12-28-2009, 2:54 PM
There might be something specific about cop shops, I dunno.

And, when you disarm and leave your gun in the car, you are not CCWing anymore, and it needs to be empty and locked.

PC?

Packy14
12-28-2009, 4:33 PM
PC?

penal code

Desert_Rat
12-28-2009, 5:36 PM
Did you really said it word for word what you typed here? Sounds a bit nerdy... =)

Then I say "In accordance with the instructions set by the county Sheriff, I need to tell you that I have a CCW license and am armed at this time"

Verbatim,Nerdy Quite possibly so,but there was a clear communication of what I needed to say.This resulted in the "Cop say in Fine with Me"
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Now,If if super Gangster cool I could have said "I have a Gun":DI'm sure I would have gotten a different response from the Cop.

E Pluribus Unum
12-28-2009, 5:38 PM
There rarely is an issue with CCW holders.

They know there is a background check involved and they are pretty much powerless to do anything beings loaded/concealed firearms are legal.

Try open-carrying that firearm without a CCW and see what happens. :)

Desert_Rat
12-28-2009, 5:43 PM
Whats worse than that,is,I have passed the background and all of the HOOPS Set up by the state and local authorities.and if I carry any gun NOT listed on the license.I'm busted.

MrClamperSir
12-28-2009, 7:05 PM
penal code

I'm wondering which one he is referencing.