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Big O
10-20-2009, 12:42 AM
Good cause? Like most people here, I don't carry large amounts of cash or other valuables, and have no documented threats. Is there another good cause?

Billy Jack
10-20-2009, 12:19 PM
I have been unable to identify any city in Los Angeles County that has declared 12050 (g) PC. That means they have not delegated to the LASO and they must have a policy and they must issue. (Salute v Pitchess)

If you live a city with its own PD and you have GC you have nothing to lose by applying. Those who do not know will tell you how bad it is to have a denial on your record. If a department is denying everyone then it is them, not you that are responsible for the denial.

Another department can not deny you based upon an illegal denial by another department. Here is where I share with you again. I was denied by LASO, LAPD, SAPD and OCSO and I have a CCW. I have had the opportunity to meet with Command Staff and it is a joke that I was denied by so many departments with my obvious GC.

If you are serious, contact us and we will walk you through the process with your department. Yes, I am an arrogant Adam Henry. I know that and so do the Chiefs and many Sheriffs. Do not let that deter you. All e-mails are answered and usually followed up with a phone call when a number is provided.

Sincerely,

Billy Jack
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OlderThanDirt
10-20-2009, 12:57 PM
GC is in my immediate future, hopefully with documentation from a department in Riverside County. I'll probably start the process before the end of the year.

dantodd
10-20-2009, 1:03 PM
What is Billy Jack's real name? I know it's been posted before but my search-fu is weak today.

bwiese
10-20-2009, 1:13 PM
What is Billy Jack's real name? I know it's been posted before but my search-fu is weak today.

Preston Guillory, of landmark Guillory v. Gates.

7x57
10-20-2009, 1:16 PM
Interesting. I thought I'd read that Pasadena has a MoU with LASD, but perhaps someone just assumed that because they refer you to LASD without having done the formal paperwork to do so?

I imagine it would take a lawsuit to force such departments to either implement a policy (which would no doubt end up like LAPD's until forced to do otherwise) or do the MoU.

7x57

Gray Peterson
10-20-2009, 1:17 PM
What is Billy Jack's real name? I know it's been posted before but my search-fu is weak today.

Preston Guillory, of Guillory v. Gates fame.

Billy Jack
10-20-2009, 4:09 PM
Chiefs do not like to do an MOU as it takes away their discretion to issue. Many may be no issue but they like to retain that authority just in case a 'special' person applys.

Look at it logically. If a Chief does not want to issue to anyone, then the logical thing to do is a MOU. CCW issuance for a small department is a pain in the A**, but they do not want to give up that authority.

7x57 is correct as to the probable outcome. Some Judges are lazy and do not want to take the time to draft a CCW Policy. They love to use an existing policy that has been mandated by another court. The goal with both the large and small departments is to get them to adopt the LAPD Stipulated Settlement. Once such a policy is in place it would be easy to get them to fine tune it to allow other professions and situations.

Now that Trutanich is City Attorney I feel he will advise the City Council against spending tax money they do not have to defend an issue that has already been decided by a Superior Court.

Billy Jack