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TurnersGunslinger
10-20-2009, 9:39 AM
I have lived all over the United States and now that im here in Kalifornia I have noticed that the residents here that lean to the right are just lazy! Our rights are being nothing short of stripped and raped!

What do we do? I dont know what the answer is to be honest but I know it isnt to keep shoveling money to organizations and hope that they protect our god given rights wich better men from our history books died to protect.

We must get off our butts and do someithing, maybe organize a massive protest at the state capital building, protests at our city hall's, and what ever suggestions any of you have! Im open to ideas because like I said im not sure what to do but sitting on our lazy butts with our credit cards out isnt the answer!!
FIRE BACK WITH ANY IDEAS YOU HAVE AND LETS MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!

professionalcoyotehunter
10-20-2009, 9:44 AM
there is really almost nothing we can do anymore. They have exhausted all of our ideas to overcome this over whelming situation.

BIGCHRIS
10-20-2009, 9:44 AM
I think donating to a great cause like Calguns, or the NRA is alot better then getting some people together that really dont know what is going on and marching down to a Gov. or Fed building to stand out front with signs.

Hopi
10-20-2009, 9:48 AM
Lazy?



* District of Columbia v. Heller
* Guy Montag Doe v. San Francisco Housing Authority
* McDonald v. Chicago Seventh Circuit "Chicago Gun Case"
* Nordyke v. King Ninth Circuit
* Pena v Cid Challenge to Roster of Handguns, April 2009
* Sykes v. McGinness Carry in Yolo and Sacramento Counties, May 2009
* Palmer v. District of Columbia Carry in District of Columbia, August 2009
* Jackson v San Francisco Gun storage, May 2009
* Fiscal v. City and County of San Francisco (2008) 158 Cal.App.4th 895


It looks like you've only been here a few minutes...welcome!!

Something is being done by folks that know how to win. Your/Our donations and memberships fuel the fire and have brought us this far. We're close, our foes are standing on their own goal line.....

TurnersGunslinger
10-20-2009, 9:50 AM
im not saying stop donating. im a life member of he NRA and I donate myself but we cant leave it in these peoples hands. a perfect example is to look at our current laws. our founders and men like them died for our rights they fought tooth and nail and most people have given up in this state but they sure like to wimper about our state of affairs. so im saying you cant cry if you arent willing to act. Im willing to act and I want to act but we have to band together and act with numbers! so im looking for like minded people and suggestions for action not fair weather patriots.

Warhawk014
10-20-2009, 9:52 AM
Lazy?



* District of Columbia v. Heller
* Guy Montag Doe v. San Francisco Housing Authority
* McDonald v. Chicago Seventh Circuit "Chicago Gun Case"
* Nordyke v. King Ninth Circuit
* Pena v Cid Challenge to Roster of Handguns, April 2009
* Sykes v. McGinness Carry in Yolo and Sacramento Counties, May 2009
* Palmer v. District of Columbia Carry in District of Columbia, August 2009
* Jackson v San Francisco Gun storage, May 2009
* Fiscal v. City and County of San Francisco (2008) 158 Cal.App.4th 895


It looks like you've only been here a few minutes...welcome!!

Something is being done by folks that know how to win. Your/Our donations and memberships fuel the fire and have brought us this far. We're close, our foes are standing on their own goal line.....

^im with him

BIGCHRIS
10-20-2009, 9:52 AM
you are really making no sense, "These peoples hand" meaning the NRA and CALGUNS? I trust CALGUNS,and the NRA fighting for my rights more then I trust some pissed off group of guys, you are also acting like the reason the laws are changing is at the faults of Calguns and NRA....you my friend are wrong.

technique
10-20-2009, 9:53 AM
I agree with you Mr. OP....Its hard trying to get people to band together. There isn't a whole lot most of can do on our own...We did do a great job rallying the troops, calling, faxing, distributing flyers, and stuff like that recently for AB962 and SB585...

I have found that contributing to CGF and NRA are some of the best thing each individual can do. These guys are dedicated, thats what they do. So helping them out helps us out...we can still do what we can when we can in support...but our financial assistance IS needed to help these groups move forward. Any little bit counts.

hoffmang
10-20-2009, 9:54 AM
Stick around. Your attendance at courts and public hearings will be requested to support all of the above. Right now we're in a waiting period for McDonald v. Chicago (June 2010) and the next legislative session early next year.

-Gene

TurnersGunslinger
10-20-2009, 9:57 AM
If our founders thought that way and just leaft it to someone else there wouldnt be an America.

Hopi
10-20-2009, 9:58 AM
im not saying stop donating. im a life member of he NRA and I donate myself but we cant leave it in these peoples hands. a perfect example is to look at our current laws. our founders and men like them died for our rights they fought tooth and nail and most people have given up in this state but they sure like to wimper about our state of affairs. so im saying you cant cry if you arent willing to act. Im willing to act and I want to act but we have to band together and act with numbers! so im looking for like minded people and suggestions for action not fair weather patriots.


If you're a NRA life member, then it is in your hands. You are the NRA. What have you done to help them besides charge your card?

Further, there are a few different Calguns initiatives running now. Jump on board with one of the outreach programs and lead by action. Contact Brandon (wildhawker) and Ivan (Ivanimal) and they'll help you put your ambition to work in areas that will positively impact our cause.

BIGCHRIS
10-20-2009, 9:59 AM
Im not saying to 100% leave it to somebody else, but sometimes you have to because you could in the long run do more damage then good.

berto
10-20-2009, 10:01 AM
If our founders thought that way and just leaft it to someone else there wouldnt be an America.

What are your ideas for action?

wash
10-20-2009, 10:03 AM
Yeah, get a suit and show up at court.

Don't be a Gorski...

KCM222
10-20-2009, 10:08 AM
Soap box -> ballot box -> jury box -> ammo box

I hope you're advocating something in the range of ballot box to jury box because that is where we are at in the political process.

If you're interested in "doing" something, Calgunner "wildhawker" organizes people for town hall meetings. Send him a PM, I'm sure he can find something for you to do.

Something else you can do is get your friends and family into shooting. Or at the very least educate them about what is going on. The more people you make gun rights a voting issue for the better.

wash
10-20-2009, 10:08 AM
If our founders thought that way and just leaft it to someone else there wouldnt be an America.
Listen up, you're either part of the solution or part of the problem.

CGF has been working. Nordyke vs. King is a big reason why McDonald vs. Chicago is being heard by SCOTUS (circuit court split).

We can either continue doing what is working (legal challenges) or take your advice and march on the capitol.

If my memory is correct, the Black Panthers tried that and it didn't turn out too well.

TheCilician
10-20-2009, 10:11 AM
Look my friend. You're not comprehending the vastness of the situation. Gun-Rights are some of the most talked about legislation on Capitol Hill. No government wants their people to be armed, and they will, everyday, wake up, go to work, and sit there for 8-10 hours brainstorming on new tactics to utilize that would disarm the public...as we just saw in AB962 and SB585...

I agree that we should mobilize and protest, but most of these gun-owners are family men, and get hit just as hard as any other American. We can only do so much for our gun-rights before it starts to interfere with the way we value and care for our family's at home and our own well being...that is also another part of the American Dream.

Foundations like this will be the hammer of your labor, of your protests, and of your fight. We are taking on a government that we have let grow for far too long, and they are armed to the teeth. Short of a nationwide revolution that might collapse our nation, we have great 'hammers' and 'swords' of justice to fight for us...NRA, CGF..more. They also wake up and go to work, brainstorming for 8-10 hours about how to protect us...and they do so with will power and passion, something the enemy does not have, and something that will win this 'war.'

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither, and will lose both." Ben Franklin

We are trying to preserve, the little liberty we have saved. Once we have an iron grip on that, we will advance, and be on the offensive. Have hope my friend..No blood is meant to be shed, that which can be avoided by means of the republic and law, as this nation was founded on.

wildhawker
10-20-2009, 11:07 AM
You rang?

Shoot me a PM with your contact info and location. We'll find something productive to do that suits your interests.

Your frustrations are shared by many, and I'm glad that there are less-public spaces (like Calguns) for gunnies to blow off steam together rather than at the steps of the Capitol building on television and radio. Remember, primum non nocere.

Some fairly impressive infrastructure is being created as we speak to more effectively put the power of communication and outreach in your hands. California is going to be a gun-friendly state once again, and it's going to happen as a result of the hard work of coalition forces (NRA, CRPA, CGF, SAF, CGN and other active orgs - this means *you*); we here at Calguns will equip thousands of grassroots activits with powerful tools, opportunities for positive social change and on/offline outreach and last, but certainly not least, a space to communicate to/with the online gun community here in California (Calguns forums, right here).

Welcome, and enjoy this robust e-neighborhood of friends and fellow RKBA supporters.

bridgeport
10-20-2009, 11:32 AM
If our founders thought that way and just leaft it to someone else there wouldnt be an America.


Please don't be condescending, nor insult our intelligence.

DarkHorse
10-20-2009, 11:43 AM
The way I see it, gun rights in CA are a lot like Gay rights (assuming that term is appropriate to use; I just don't know anymore).

It's not something we want to take to the uneducated masses that sit in front of their TV's and believe the crap the media is shoving down their throats.

We lost our rights through the legislative branch, and we must gain our rights back through the the judicial system. That is the purpose of the court system - to make sure that 51 voters out of 100 aren't simply taking away the rights of the other 49.

Helping the NRA and CGF is how we can do that. Some folks are able to get more directly involved, but many of us can't. We all play our part, and when the time comes, we rally together and show unity in a manner that supports our cause, not dtracts from it.

I, for one, don't see the need to protest about our rights to the Capitol, because they don't care about our rights. The only way to make them care is to take them to court and show them we have both the backbone AND intelligence to beat them with their own shoes. Metaphorically speaking, of course.

Thanks for joining the fight. But, just as a platoon of Rangers could defeat a battalion of janitors, we need to use our skills to defeat their numbers.

kf6tac
10-20-2009, 11:46 AM
The way I see it, gun rights in CA are a lot light Gay rights (assuming that term is appropriate to use; I just don't know anymore).

It's not something we want to take to the uneducated masses that sit in front of their TV's and believe the crap the media is shoving down their throats.

We lost our rights through the legislative branch, and we must gain our rights back through the the judicial system. That is the purpose of the court system - to make sure that 51 voters out of 100 aren't simply taking away the rights of the other 49.

Helping the NRA and CGF is how we can do that. Some folks are able to get more directly involved, but many of us can't. We all play our part, and when the time comes, we rally together and show unity in a manner that supports our cause, not dtracts from it.

I, for one, don't see the need to protest about our rights to the Capitol, because they don't care about our rights. The only way to make them care is to take them to court and show them we have both the backbone AND intelligence to beat them with their own shoes. Metaphorically speaking, of course.

Thanks for joining the fight. But, just as a platoon of Rangers could defeat a battalion of janitors, we need to use our skills to defeat their numbers.

You've clearly never had to fight the Janitor from Scrubs.

But no, in all seriousness, I agree 100% with what you and others have said. What CGF and NRA are doing in the courts right now is absolutely "for real."

wash
10-20-2009, 12:28 PM
The way I see it, gun rights in CA are a lot light Gay rights (assuming that term is appropriate to use; I just don't know anymore).

It's not something we want to take to the uneducated masses that sit in front of their TV's and believe the crap the media is shoving down their throats.
Kind of, but queer folks did it with rainbows and musical theater.

Look how long it took for a lesbian kiss to get in prime time TV.

If they had started with hardcore male on male during the Saturday morning cartoons, every state would still have anti-sodomy laws.

nicki
10-20-2009, 1:27 PM
This Sept Calguns was recognized as the most effective grass roots organization in the country.

My friend Dina Boyer is currently editing and downloading the speakers from that event and putting them on you tube.

Yes, it says norcal Pink Pistols, but Dina and I co own the rights and our goal is to get the conference out to as many people as possible.

When we are finished, I will call the SAF so that they can notify all gun groups. When SAF does officially notify everyone, who do you think is going to help them with their draft e mail?

People such as the OP will see that things are being done, and the reality is under Alan Gottlieb's leadership, everyone across the country is learning to be more effective.

The reality is gun rights is being handled on many levels. This is the first year someone actually video taped the conference and this effort will mean next years SAF GRPC will be even more effective.

It is in San Fran btw, so I expect a huge Calguns presence.

What can we do for real, well, take a look and decide for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/user/SAFGRPC2009

There were 72 speakers, 14 hours, still have much to download.

The conference had over 700 people in St Louis, next year I predict we will have 2000 people plus we will run a live web cam so that those who can't travel can still see the conference.

My goal is to have 100,000 people plus online for the conference, it is a large goal, but not impossible.

That would make next year's GRPC the biggest gun rights conference ever.
Does this meet your definition of doing something for real?

Welcome to Calguns.

Nicki

Gp100
10-20-2009, 5:04 PM
When AB962 was almost up for a vote, KFI did not even tell the listeners about no INTERNET sale of ammo.Those snakes at KFI pretend there conservative radio.

KFI AM 640 promoted the bill in my opinion, they talked about the felon catching part of the bill and specifically left out the "NO INTERNET AMMO SALES TO CALIFORNIA".

After the bill passed KFI was all over the no Internet sales, thats all they reported on. KFI is traitors another fake conservative station.

kf6tac
10-20-2009, 5:38 PM
When AB962 was almost up for a vote, KFI did not even tell the listeners about no INTERNET sale of ammo.Those snakes at KFI pretend there conservative radio.

KFI AM 640 promoted the bill in my opinion, they talked about the felon catching part of the bill and specifically left out the "NO INTERNET AMMO SALES TO CALIFORNIA".

After the bill passed KFI was all over the no Internet sales, thats all they reported on. KFI is traitors another fake conservative station.

Are the news segments on KFI produced by KFI? Or are they piped in from other sources like ABC? I've listened to AM radio stations that only play conservative talk shows, but when it came time to do news coverage, they'd cut over to a newsreel pre-recorded by some major news outlet. The better ones at least used Fox News.

Gp100
10-20-2009, 5:50 PM
IF we know here at calguns for 1 month before it happens, the REPORTERS at KFI Know, they get breaking news don't they?
How did they know the full story all at once after the bill passed?

Hunt
10-20-2009, 6:01 PM
im not saying stop donating. im a life member of he NRA and I donate myself but we cant leave it in these peoples hands. a perfect example is to look at our current laws. our founders and men like them died for our rights they fought tooth and nail and most people have given up in this state but they sure like to wimper about our state of affairs. so im saying you cant cry if you arent willing to act. Im willing to act and I want to act but we have to band together and act with numbers! so im looking for like minded people and suggestions for action not fair weather patriots.

I am a big believer in unconventional asymetrical warfare to use a metaphor.
I am all for having a tea party type protest or doing to DeLeon what they have done to Sarah Palin. We need to make a special action committee to end DeLeons career.

kf6tac
10-20-2009, 6:04 PM
IF we know here at calguns for 1 month before it happens, the REPORTERS at KFI Know, they get breaking news don't they?
How did they know the full story all at once after the bill passed?

What I'm asking is, ARE THEY KFI's reporters? Or is KFI just importing pre-recorded news updates that are produced by some major news outlet?

Hunt
10-20-2009, 6:05 PM
Are the news segments on KFI produced by KFI? Or are they piped in from other sources like ABC? I've listened to AM radio stations that only play conservative talk shows, but when it came time to do news coverage, they'd cut over to a newsreel pre-recorded by some major news outlet. The better ones at least used Fox News.

the news is edited for global distribution by "the peoples committee for global social justice" at the Ministry of Truth, headquarters in Bejing and Moscow.

hawk81
10-20-2009, 6:10 PM
The OP is right, fighting these unconstitutional laws in the corrupt court systems is not cutting it. We are fighting a battle we will never win. You can't win against people that make the rules up as they go along. We need to start making up the rules. The whole government is infested with corrupt anti-American politicians and dirt bags. They want to control us. We seriously need to start thinking of other ways to defeat these anti american Socialistic-fascist politicians.

ENTHUSIAST
10-20-2009, 6:14 PM
The OP is right, fighting these unconstitutional laws in the corrupt court systems is not cutting it. We are fighting a battle we will never win. You can't win against people that make the rules up as they go along. We need to start making up the rules. The whole government is infested with corrupt anti-American politicians and dirt bags. They want to control us. We seriously need to start thinking of other ways to defeat these anti american Socialistic-fascist politicians.

This. Well said hawk81. ^^^

FastFinger
10-20-2009, 6:18 PM
The OP is right, fighting these unconstitutional laws in the corrupt court systems is not cutting it. We are fighting a battle we will never win. You can't win against people that make the rules up as they go along. We need to start making up the rules. The whole government is infested with corrupt anti-American politicians and dirt bags. They want to control us. We seriously need to start thinking of other ways to defeat these anti american Socialistic-fascist politicians.



Okay. Do you have a idea in mind to get the ball rolling?

catnipper
10-20-2009, 6:19 PM
While I commend the folks here, we must be vocal and visible, I agree with both sides but the OP is correct. Fight fire with fire, we need to get people like deleon out of office, if it works for them it can work for us.

Kid Stanislaus
10-20-2009, 6:22 PM
TurnersGunslinger said: "What do we do? I dont know what the answer is to be honest but I know it isnt to keep shoveling money to organizations and hope that they protect our god given rights wich better men from our history books died to protect."

We are in a political struggle. Jesse Unruh, former speaker of CA Assembly, once said "Money is the mother's milk of politics". It was true then and its true now. Give to the CGF on a regular basis because they ARE doing something real, they're fighting this battle in the courts where it'll be won or lost.

Kid Stanislaus
10-20-2009, 6:28 PM
If our founders thought that way and just leaft it to someone else there wouldnt be an America.

Our nation's founders lived in the 18th century, we live in the 21st. Things have changed a bit in the meantime, it just is not feasible to load up our AW's and march on Washington, D.C.!!

wildhawker
10-20-2009, 6:35 PM
I am a big believer in unconventional asymetrical warfare to use a metaphor.
I am all for having a tea party type protest or doing to DeLeon what they have done to Sarah Palin. We need to make a special action committee to end DeLeons career.

I'm sorry, I can't discern the answer from your posts. Could you clarify if your goals are to vent your frustrations in public or to win back our rights and culture in a politically hostile state?

Gp100
10-20-2009, 6:35 PM
Our nation's founders lived in the 18th century, we live in the 21st. Things have changed a bit in the meantime, it just is not feasible to load up our AW's and march on Washington, D.C.!!

Wrong! human nature has not changed.

Hunt
10-20-2009, 6:53 PM
we are at war, we need to target a socialist just like they went after Sarah Palin. We need to find one that is vulnerable and file ethics charges and protests and FOIA on every memo they ever wrote, hound them and hound them. We are free American citizens and will not stand for our civil rights to be stolen, furthermore, we will not stand for Marxists the likes of Cass Sunstein and Ms Sotomayor to interprit what our Constitution means.
we the people have a right to keep and bear arms for sporting purposes, defense against tryanny and self defense-- end of story. We really need to make noise about this registration scheme.

Seesm
10-20-2009, 6:55 PM
YEAH what he said... "Let's do something FOR REALZ!! AHhh what are we doing btw?

GrizzlyGuy
10-20-2009, 6:59 PM
I have lived all over the United States and now that im here in Kalifornia I have noticed that the residents here that lean to the right are just lazy! Our rights are being nothing short of stripped and raped!

Very astute observation. A suggested action plan:

1) Realize that what you said is absolutely true, even though it may be an uncomfortable truth and therefore difficult to accept. Further realize that Kalifornia is a lost cause, and demographic patterns assure that this will remain true in the future. Even the liberty-minded citizenry has become so brainwashed and beaten down by the statists that this simply cannot be reversed, and their non-activist apathy looks very much like the laziness you observed.

2) Accept the reality of #1 and make whatever changes in your life that are necessary so that you can move to a free state where liberty still has a chance.

3) One possible free state destination: Keene, NH where you can join the Peaceful Evolution where real activism is the focus:

http://freekeene.com/about/

Thousands of other liberty-minded people are on their way there as well:

http://www.freestateproject.org/

FastFinger
10-20-2009, 7:10 PM
3) One possible free state destination: Keene, NH where you can join the Peaceful Evolution where real activism is the focus:

http://freekeene.com/about/

Thousands of other liberty-minded people are on their way there as well:

http://www.freestateproject.org/


Check out that site - found this little titbit..

Charge dropped against teenager
Free Stater went topless in city
By PHILLIP BANTZ
Sentinel Staff

Cassidy Nicosia, 18, of Manchester no longer faces a misdemeanor charge of indecent exposure and lewdness.

Nicosia was arrested Aug. 23 after police received complaint calls about a topless teenager standing near the Main-Marlboro-Winchester streets roundabout with a handgun holstered on her hip.

State law does not require residents to have permits to openly carry guns, and she was not charged with any firearm-related crimes.

Last week, police prosecutors D. Chris McLaughlin and Eliezer Rivera decided to drop the charge of indecent exposure and lewdness against Nicosia. The charge was dropped because walking down the street topless does not qualify as a crime under state law, Keene police Lt. Jay U. Duguay said.

The law states that a person commits indecent exposure and lewdness if he or she fornicates, exposes genitals or performs any other “act of gross lewdness … likely to cause affront or alarm” in public.

“She wasn’t fornicating or exposing genitals — breasts aren’t genitals,” Duguay said. “No one who complained about it said that it was gross lewdness.”...

And no - no pictures (http://freekeene.com/2009/09/08/police-admit-toplessness-is-legal-in-keene/#more-3284)

wildhawker
10-20-2009, 7:17 PM
This thread is worthless without... oh, what a letdown.

bigcalidave
10-20-2009, 7:21 PM
Wow what a picture that would be!!!

wildhawker
10-20-2009, 7:21 PM
Hunt,

While you spend your nights plotting the next move in your asymetrical [sic] war on socialist terror, the rest of us will be productively working to further our rights here in California and throughout the United States.

Oh, and you might want to look into CPRA for folks here in CA.

Can we please not reinforce the stereotype of gun owners being right-wing kooks by being... well, you know where I'm going with this.

we are at war, we need to target a socialist just like they went after Sarah Palin. We need to find one that is vulnerable and file ethics charges and protests and FOIA on every memo they ever wrote, hound them and hound them. We are free American citizens and will not stand for our civil rights to be stolen, furthermore, we will not stand for Marxists the likes of Cass Sunstein and Ms Sotomayor to interprit what our Constitution means.
we the people have a right to keep and bear arms for sporting purposes, defense against tryanny and self defense-- end of story. We really need to make noise about this registration scheme.

trashman
10-20-2009, 7:25 PM
Can we please not reinforce the stereotype of gun owners being right-wing kooks by being... well, you know where I'm going with this.

QFT.

--Neill

yellowfin
10-20-2009, 7:27 PM
The OP is right, fighting these unconstitutional laws in the corrupt court systems is not cutting it. We are fighting a battle we will never win. You can't win against people that make the rules up as they go along. We need to start making up the rules. The whole government is infested with corrupt anti-American politicians and dirt bags. They want to control us. We seriously need to start thinking of other ways to defeat these anti american Socialistic-fascist politicians. The way to do that is to cut off their sources. The problem is that the politicians in office are a product of funding by their donors, exposure by their media flunkies, promotion of their disgusting and twisted ideas by universities and law schools and even as far down as grade schools, and so on. Beat one or two or ten and you've really accomplished nothing as they will simply be replaced. Vote out DeLeon and another will push his bills. You're just mowing the lawn, a lawn that has kudzu growth genes and will grow back six inches every time you cut one and a half.

For some reason or another this particular point of focus gets near zero attention. Why I don't know, I don't get an answer for that either.

CharlieK
10-20-2009, 7:57 PM
If you have money to burn, you could undertake a court challange to AB962 or another of the myriad of what just might be unconstitutional laws. Even the CA constitution provides for a right to bear arms, yes?

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS

SECTION 1. All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.

I suspect it would cost a lot but it's doing something.

wshenkle
10-20-2009, 8:05 PM
God bless all;
Have enjoyed all the dialogue;
My take;
We must keep the high ground;
I am a member of the NRA and the CRPA;
hope soon to donate to the CalGuns Foundation;
We need these dedicated hearts to go up against
the likes of the 'blue staters';
The average person is not involved;
Remember, the founding citizens were at the top of
the heap; they still needed ground troops to give
King George the info;

Purple K
10-20-2009, 9:01 PM
Doing something FOR REAL! If you've got money, donate some of it. If you're short on money, donate some time. If you've got a special (graphic arts, IT, etc.) skill, exploit it for our cause. If you've got connections, use them for our cause. Turn off the TV and work a gun show or other event. Download and print Calguns information (flowchats, etc.) and hand them out at the range. Offer to recruit family, friends and co-workers for a trip to the range if they've never shot a gun before. We must be more active and more adament about our beliefs as the anti-gunners are in their efforts.

hoffmang
10-20-2009, 9:05 PM
Even the CA constitution provides for a right to bear arms, yes?


The California Supreme Court ruled in Kasler v. Lockyer that there is no right to arms in the California Constitution.

-Gene

mmartin
10-20-2009, 11:18 PM
What I'm asking is, ARE THEY KFI's reporters? Or is KFI just importing pre-recorded news updates that are produced by some major news outlet?

KFI uses their own reporters (although some are shared with other clearchannel stations). don't know if they write all their own stories, they may take some stories off the news feeds but they do a great deal of their own work.
megan

GrizzlyGuy
10-21-2009, 6:54 AM
If you have money to burn, you could undertake a court challange to AB962 or another of the myriad of what just might be unconstitutional laws. Even the CA constitution provides for a right to bear arms, yes?

The CA state constitution is a joke. Not only is there no RKBA, but it allows citizens to amend it via a simple majority vote in a referendum. That effectively makes CA a democracy instead of a republic, therefore subject to mob rule of the citizenry instead of rule by law.

Here is what RKBA would look like in a state constitution (from New Hampshire's):

"[Art.] 2-a. [The Bearing of Arms.] All persons have the right to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves, their families, their property and the state."

They enumerate separate rights dealing with militias and standing armies so that no one can say RKBA only applies to militias or the government, as some anti-gunners argue about 2A. To assure that their citizens actually keep all their rights, they have this one as well:

"[Art.] 10. [Right of Revolution.] Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind."

New Hampshire doesn't allow the constitution to be amended by simple majority votes so it is truly and effectively a republic, unlike the mob-driven People's Republik of Kalifornia.

http://www.nh.gov/constitution/billofrights.html

mmartin
10-21-2009, 7:28 AM
Doing something FOR REAL! If you've got money, donate some of it. If you're short on money, donate some time. If you've got a special (graphic arts, IT, etc.) skill, exploit it for our cause. If you've got connections, use them for our cause. Turn off the TV and work a gun show or other event. Download and print Calguns information (flowchats, etc.) and hand them out at the range. Offer to recruit family, friends and co-workers for a trip to the range if they've never shot a gun before. We must be more active and more adament about our beliefs as the anti-gunners are in their efforts.

^^ this.

can't turn the tide without enough water behind the wave. every time you bring someone new into the sport, re-excite a former shooter, dispel some FUD, get someone involved, you add another drop.

some folks here are working on the big stuff... law suits and court cases and law. support their action with your time and money and phone calls and emails and letter writing, and get others to do so also. we leverage their actions that way. in the mean time, change some people's minds.

this isn't a shooting war, its a war of persuasion.
megan

hawk81
10-21-2009, 3:27 PM
Yes, gun owners and freedom lovers need to unite and take this country back. Unfortunately, less than 1% or the population is willing to get their hands dirty and don't want to rock the boat.


Okay. Do you have a idea in mind to get the ball rolling?

KylaGWolf
10-21-2009, 8:20 PM
Ack lets not give that book any more on-line time please.

But I find it funny they only had five posts and had the balls to ask what are we doing? The better question what is it YOU are doing to change things in California for 2A rights. But I have a feeling that would be Nada.

jimmy2.8
10-21-2009, 10:31 PM
you guys sure know how to rip a new GUY a new ONE! hope that your this tuff when U.N. troops come rolling down American streets! Cuz when shi@ goes down, talk is cheap, and believe me, I KNOW. Sometimes the fine line between polotics and war are hard to see. especially when you've been bred to tolerate total control since you were watching sesame street and captain kangaroo.I in no way intend to embarass or disrespect anyone, but i think that living in our comfortable society has made us weak and easily subject to being controlled. I'm also not suggesting any method of defense against gun control, but maybe you guys were a little harsh:shrug:. God bless you all. Vivat Jesus!

Chatterbox
10-22-2009, 8:00 AM
you guys sure know how to rip a new GUY a new ONE! hope that your this tuff when U.N. troops come rolling down American streets! Cuz when shi@ goes down, talk is cheap, and believe me, I KNOW. Sometimes the fine line between polotics and war are hard to see. especially when you've been bred to tolerate total control since you were watching sesame street and captain kangaroo.I in no way intend to embarass or disrespect anyone, but i think that living in our comfortable society has made us weak and easily subject to being controlled. I'm also not suggesting any method of defense against gun control, but maybe you guys were a little harsh:shrug:. God bless you all. Vivat Jesus!

UN Troops? Stop living in the 80s, friend, it's UN zombies you have to worry about. What have you done to prepare for that, hmm? Does your house have a 3/4 inch steel door, with recessed hinges to protect yourself? What about STANAG 2174 certified Z-Viral class outbreak shelter? UN troops....you might as well be preparing for invasion by a boy scout troop!

wildhawker
10-22-2009, 8:03 AM
Yes, gun owners and freedom lovers need to unite and take this country back. Unfortunately, less than 1% or the population is willing to get their hands dirty and don't want to rock the boat.

This isn't a forum to promote civil unrest.

you guys sure know how to rip a new GUY a new ONE! hope that your this tuff when U.N. troops come rolling down American streets! Cuz when shi@ goes down, talk is cheap, and believe me, I KNOW. Sometimes the fine line between polotics and war are hard to see. especially when you've been bred to tolerate total control since you were watching sesame street and captain kangaroo.I in no way intend to embarass or disrespect anyone, but i think that living in our comfortable society has made us weak and easily subject to being controlled. I'm also not suggesting any method of defense against gun control, but maybe you guys were a little harsh:shrug:. God bless you all. Vivat Jesus!

Frankly, I'm not sure where anyone ripped into anyone else; a few really dumb statements were made and were responded to accordingly. Let's not get into a pissing match of who's tough and who's not over some perceived unwillingness to take action against an enemy that does not exist.

Nodda Duma
10-22-2009, 8:11 AM
The folks here tend to be short on patience when it comes to all talk and no action (and civil unrest is definitely NOT the answer), or when someone gripes about lack of action when the action is all around them! Open your eyes, OP!

I think this is a Good Thing.

-Jason

you guys sure know how to rip a new GUY a new ONE! hope that your this tuff when U.N. troops come rolling down American streets! Cuz when shi@ goes down, talk is cheap, and believe me, I KNOW. Sometimes the fine line between polotics and war are hard to see. especially when you've been bred to tolerate total control since you were watching sesame street and captain kangaroo.I in no way intend to embarass or disrespect anyone, but i think that living in our comfortable society has made us weak and easily subject to being controlled. I'm also not suggesting any method of defense against gun control, but maybe you guys were a little harsh:shrug:. God bless you all. Vivat Jesus!

Bizcuits
10-22-2009, 8:14 AM
* Sykes v. McGinness Carry in Yolo and Sacramento Counties, May 2009

Didn't even hear about this one, thanks!

jimmy2.8
10-22-2009, 8:49 AM
An enemy that does not exist? U.N. zombies? Good luck with all that!lol

wildhawker
10-22-2009, 8:53 AM
I'm looking out my window and the only blue I see is up, and no, it's not jumping out of a black helicopter.

jimmy2.8
10-22-2009, 9:13 AM
Your lucky you've never lived in a country where you would see something that terrifying,but it happens. All over the world. Right now families are being torn apart, peoples are being murdered because of their tribe or color of skin. I'm not saying that that will happen here but I am not so naive to believe it could not. I'm not making a call to arms, but rather spreading an awareness that although we live in the 21st century, and that we have progressed as a civilization to an almost Godly stature through the use of technology and science. We are still slaves to our basic instincts and our inherited vices like greed, envy and adultery. We are not protected simply because we have the most advanced military or the fastest airplane and biggest navy. Just like the roman empire, some nations, at the peak of power, fall from within(not a suggestion, just fact!). History has proved to us, even within this last century, that genocide, slavery and bloody war are real and can reach anyone's front door. We need to just keep that in perspective whether here in the United States or abroad. God bless and Vivat Jesus!!

Stockton
10-22-2009, 9:38 AM
^^ I see where you are coming from jimmy2.8. I've lived/spent time in those places. Unfortunately a large percentage of Americans have not. All they know and understand is "we vote on it" and "we'll live with it till the next election". America has never been told flat and outright "this is the way its going be". Instead, we have been stripped of our rights little by little over a very long period of time. Rights that should have never been questioned nor had to be re-evaluated and voted on again and again. BUT...they do...and so what we're left with is HOPE. Hope that they will not fully take our rights away in one swoop.

wildhawker
10-22-2009, 9:41 AM
For two people who have never come across our volunteer list you sure do like to tell us what we're ignorant of and not fighting for.

MasterYong
10-22-2009, 9:45 AM
Am I the only one that sees the OP as a giant steaming pile of trollbait???

Seriously- someone comes on here with one of their firsts posts stating that no one's fighting for our rights anymore and it's taken seriously?

The fight is moving forward gloriously, IMHO. There's always room for improvement, but CG has made leaps and bounds just in the last 18 or so months that I've been reading it.

Thanks Wildhawker for helping us organize, as well as all the other oldschoolers like Gene, Bill, Kes, etc.

Kestryll
10-22-2009, 9:48 AM
Can we please not reinforce the stereotype of gun owners being right-wing kooks by being... well, you know where I'm going with this.
This isn't a forum to promote civil unrest

Memorize these two statements and repeat them daily.

The 'tin foil hat/take it back by force' nonsense is not welcome here.
There are other forums for that silliness that are willing to be marginalized by sounding like paranoid kooks, this isn't one of them.

We work within the system and according to the laws to restore and protect our rights here.
If it ever truly came to the point of 'civil unrest/ammo box time' we'd be well past the time where internet discussion would even be viable.


Let's focus on continuing to making real change in a real world manner.