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wksun88
10-19-2009, 12:40 PM
Hi guys, I'm currently looking for options on a 30-06 semi auto battle rifle
that isn't a garand. Are there any options for me or is this round mostly
reserved for hunting?

bridgeport
10-19-2009, 12:42 PM
Ohio Ordinance works BAR.

charliedontsurf334
10-19-2009, 12:42 PM
Springfield M1903 1100 yard hits at the Battle of Bello Wood.

wksun88
10-19-2009, 12:47 PM
thanks for the suggestions, but something around the 600 dollar price range would be nice as well

professionalcoyotehunter
10-19-2009, 12:48 PM
Browning BAR .30-06.

wksun88
10-19-2009, 12:52 PM
I found a page on ohio ordnance reviewing the BAR but no actual price on it.
Also, keep in mind I am looking for something in the 600-700 dollar range.
Something 1000 bucks is out of the question for me

professionalcoyotehunter
10-19-2009, 12:53 PM
they come on here for around 5-600 all the time. there is a 7mm BAR for $400 on here also.

wksun88
10-19-2009, 12:55 PM
ok, got it, but I think you're talking about the modern BAR that limits you to 4-5 rounds in the mag. I'm looking more for something that will hold 10 rounds and has more of a military appearance to it. :)
The WW2 BARs are too cost prohibitive for me to buy, what a shame.

professionalcoyotehunter
10-19-2009, 12:57 PM
Cant help you then. Maybe the M1 Carbine but you are going to spend more unless you get a Universal for around $500 or so.

wksun88
10-19-2009, 1:01 PM
I guess I might just be stuck with the garand as my only option

jinggoyd1967
10-19-2009, 1:07 PM
Hi guys, I'm currently looking for options on a 30-06 semi auto battle rifle
that isn't a garand. Are there any options for me or is this round mostly
reserved for hunting?
Any reason you prefer a .30-06 over a .308/7.62x51? There are a lot more options with the latter.

caldude
10-19-2009, 1:09 PM
I'm not sure if you can find one in your price range, but some FN49s were chambered for 30-06.

coop44
10-19-2009, 1:09 PM
rem 742,7400,and bar, all have 10 rnd mags available

Plisk
10-19-2009, 1:10 PM
Might want to try looking into a Remington 7400 in 30.06. They aren't as expensive as the BAR everyone keeps suggesting. They come with 3-4 round mags for hunting.

I'm not sure about their price, but its as close as I can think of for what you're looking for.

EDIT: ^^ Damn, he beat me to it.

Dirtbiker
10-19-2009, 1:15 PM
RAA imports the Saiga 100 in 30-06.

maschronic
10-19-2009, 1:21 PM
i think the OP is looking for a "military looking" rifle. i think the BAR is a good option. however, in a 308, you have more options.

there is nothing wrong with a Garand!!

mls343
10-19-2009, 1:24 PM
I second that - Nothing wrong with the old M1 Grand!

Get it and be happy!

maschronic
10-19-2009, 1:25 PM
you can even buy a winchester 100 in 308 for about $425. it is semi auto. it shoots good. the only reason why i know this is that i'm selling one right now. haha

wksun88
10-19-2009, 1:49 PM
I guess the only reason I want something in 3006 is because I don't want to add another round to what I have already. I will look into those options, thanks guys!

Iknownot
10-19-2009, 1:51 PM
Why wouldn't you want a garand? 30-06 + Semi-auto-battle rifle-ish pretty much = garand.

You could go the soviet route and get something like an SVT-40, but then you're looking at a different round type.

maschronic
10-19-2009, 1:52 PM
Why wouldn't you want a garand? 30-06 + Semi-auto-battle rifle-ish pretty much = garand.

You could go the soviet route and get something like an SVT-40, but then you're looking at a different round type.

the M1 Garand is not battle rifle-ish, it is a battle rifle. :)

Dirtbiker
10-19-2009, 1:57 PM
I'm not sure if you can convert a Saiga 100

http://www.raacfirearms.com/Saiga_100.htm

but you can convert a 308 Saiga in an AK replica.

http://www.raacfirearms.com/Saiga_308.htm

socomIInato
10-19-2009, 2:04 PM
try a FN49 in 3006, you can also remove the top cover and add a scope mount receiver cover. fn49 was the forerunner of the FAL. but for open sights I prefer my M1 garand.

Iknownot
10-19-2009, 2:15 PM
You could get an M1941 johnson, if you wanted something different, but that wouldn't be around $600.....

bridgeport
10-19-2009, 2:16 PM
OOW BAR would set you back about 4K. Garand, What are they going for now?
$600....$800? The venerable '06 round is an old timer, so you will mostly see it chambered in weaponry from the WWI WWII Korea time period, Saiga notwithstanding. Average Johnsons seem to go for between $4500 and $6500 on up so this does not sound like an option.

five.five-six
10-19-2009, 2:17 PM
1919?

bondmid003
10-19-2009, 2:31 PM
There is a reason the 30-06 has been replaced in modern battle rifles, keep that in mind. I know you don't want to add another type of ammo but you'd really have alot more options in .308

meltyman
10-19-2009, 3:04 PM
Are there reasons for the replacement of 30-06 other than action length and NATO? Aside from that, the only difference I see is that the 30-06 has a wider range of possible loads on the heavier side.

Sailormilan2
10-19-2009, 4:41 PM
30-06 battle rifle??

Service Grade M1 Garand from the CMP. $595 + $22.95 S&H = $617.95.

stix213
10-19-2009, 4:42 PM
If you are against the Garand and have a low price point to hit, just forget about the 30-06 and go .308 with a Saiga, leaving you money to spare for the ammo too. You won't regret your purchase, and the reliability of the AK rifle family is legendary. Is there any semi-auto rifle more reliable than an AK?

http://www.raacfirearms.com/Saiga_option.htm

bridgeport
10-19-2009, 5:14 PM
The Garand is simply a beautiful rifle. No other rifle has that feel, that look.
When you put the butt to your shoulder, and sight down the barrel.... it has a look and a feel that just says BUSINESS !! The Garand is the rifle that conquered the world... the M-14.... just a product improved garand.. not the same though.

Triple R Munitions
10-19-2009, 6:08 PM
i know somone who is selling garands for around the 600 range. they are shooters/ mixmasters. they are not show stoppers, but will do any bowling pin thats in the sights.

NRAhighpowershooter
10-19-2009, 6:16 PM
1919?

almost 85%+ of the 1919A4's out there are Izzy kits that are .308

bomb_on_bus
10-19-2009, 6:19 PM
the 30.06 doesnt have too many options to choose from either M1 garand, BAR, m1919, johnson 1941, remington 7400,740,742. all I can think of

NSR500
10-19-2009, 6:19 PM
Outside your budget, but still very cool:

Tromix 30-06 conversion

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l246/TonyRumore/3006LH.jpg

sevensix2x51
10-19-2009, 6:20 PM
imho, the garand is the (almost) only semiauto battle rifle in 30.06 worth owning. why wouldnt you want one??? theyre listed for $595 on the cmp website.... service grade. and you get free clips for half the surplus out there! i dont get it... please elaborate...

nrakid88
10-19-2009, 6:33 PM
Are there reasons for the replacement of 30-06 other than action length and NATO? Aside from that, the only difference I see is that the 30-06 has a wider range of possible loads on the heavier side.

Just be careful... A m1 garand will only shoot neutered 150 grain lower velocity rounds... I am actually quite sure that my .308 ar will put out much hotter rounds, from 110 grain to 200, without hitting a danger area...

The Garand you are stuck with 150 M2 Ball, unless you want to play around with an adjustable gas plug.

sevensix2x51
10-19-2009, 6:42 PM
Just be careful... A m1 garand will only shoot neutered 150 grain lower velocity rounds... I am actually quite sure that my .308 ar will put out much hotter rounds, from 110 grain to 200, without hitting a danger area...

The Garand you are stuck with 150 M2 Ball, unless you want to play around with an adjustable gas plug.

just to throw a monkey wrench in the thread, here is my garand. take note of the .308 in the clips, and it most definitely does NOT have an adjustable gas plug. it will shoot any .308 factory round on the market without issue. granted it does have an h&r navy barrel, but regardless, it is still using the 30.06 gas system...

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=35494&stc=1&d=1255923147
(in case you missed my pointless shtf derail thread)

maschronic
10-19-2009, 6:44 PM
that is a clean Garand. is it time to take pictures of Garands and post them? haha

sevensix2x51
10-19-2009, 6:45 PM
that is a clean Garand. is it time to take pictures of Garands and post them? haha

yes. please. mine is a mccoy. the wolf doesnt go through it, its just for zombies, and frees up room in my ammo boxes. ;)

tombinghamthegreat
10-19-2009, 6:56 PM
Saiga in 30-06 might be your best option or move over to a better semi auto caliber like the 7.62x39

SJgunguy24
10-19-2009, 7:03 PM
The Saiga 100, The Benelli R1, and the BAR are the only semi's I can think of besides your Garand.
I think the 30.06' is a pretty hefty round to build a semi with a lot of moving parts. By that I mean thats one hell of an explosion to contain.

Pthfndr
10-19-2009, 7:13 PM
FN-49, holds 10 rounds, loads with stripper clips.

If you keep a sharp eye on the gun auction sites, sometimes you can pick one up for under $800.

The 3 on the left are all FN 49 rifles.

8mm, 7mm, 30-06

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/Pthfndr/JSRack2.jpg

sevensix2x51
10-19-2009, 7:19 PM
they make a saiga in 30.06???? now i have heard everything....

dont you dare say they are better than a garand. ive heard enough "aks/saigas/wtfever" are better than m1a/mini14/thisthat, that i might call you a very bad person, and be very angry at your terrible fibs. rawr. :mad:

rp55
10-19-2009, 8:04 PM
Find a used Remington 7400 and bubba it out.

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/attachments/remington/5873d1186436891-remington-7400-auto-load-30-06-7400-bipod-up-4-.jpg

sevensix2x51
10-19-2009, 8:08 PM
Find a used Remington 7400 and bubba it out.

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/attachments/remington/5873d1186436891-remington-7400-auto-load-30-06-7400-bipod-up-4-.jpg

pretty cool. 2 thumbs up. but not a battle rifle...

but i like it, regardless. :thumbsup:

lineman66
10-19-2009, 8:53 PM
I believe the FN-49 comes in 30.06 flavor, but it'll most likely run you $800+ for a nice one.

wksun88
10-19-2009, 9:29 PM
awesome ideas guys, and just to clarify, I am NOT against the garand. I want one pretty badly, but 6 months is a pretty long time to wait and I also just want to see what other semi autos are out there.
Those FN49s are looking really good.

SJgunguy24
10-19-2009, 9:29 PM
they make a saiga in 30.06???? now i have heard everything....

dont you dare say they are better than a garand. ive heard enough "aks/saigas/wtfever" are better than m1a/mini14/thisthat, that i might call you a very bad person, and be very angry at your terrible fibs. rawr. :mad:
Yessir they do.......WAAAAAYYY better than any stinkin Garand

Naw just kidding.
www.raacfirearms.com/Saiga_100.htm

Can't find any prices for this thing. PM BVamp. He works with CGW of Ohio and I know they have some ties with the factory.

sevensix2x51
10-19-2009, 9:34 PM
Yessir they do.......WAAAAAYYY better than any stinkin Garand

Naw just kidding.
www.raacfirearms.com/Saiga_100.htm

lol ok thank you. :)

wksun88
10-19-2009, 9:37 PM
and also I forgot to add, I am paranoid about messing up a nice wooden stock :P

sevensix2x51
10-19-2009, 9:39 PM
and also I forgot to add, I am paranoid about messing up a nice wooden stock :P

thats ok, a lot of garands have crappy wooden stocks. :)

Triple R Munitions
10-19-2009, 10:00 PM
as soon as these garands check out with the guage, you could be able to purchase one. wont have to wait 6 months....

i will ask my buddy.

wksun88
10-19-2009, 10:01 PM
wow have you guys seen this website?
http://www.remington7400.com/index.php
They don't give a price for only the stock, but I'm thinking that may be a possible solution to my tacticool need :)

Stork
10-19-2009, 11:08 PM
The FN 49 is WAY cooler than that remington thing. I love the history behind old battle rifles. I vote for a FN or a Garand.

technique
10-20-2009, 12:51 AM
test this is only a test..(having issues with calguns please ignore this post)

reidnez
10-20-2009, 7:26 AM
Are there reasons for the replacement of 30-06 other than action length and NATO? Aside from that, the only difference I see is that the 30-06 has a wider range of possible loads on the heavier side.

Basically, .30-06 was replaced by 7.62x51 because with the advancement of powders in a half-century, the engineers found that they could duplicate M2 Ball ballistics in a shorter cartridge. Thus was born 7.62x51. So yes, the standard "ball" loadings that you see are pretty similar between the two cartridges. HOWEVER, keep in mind that the .30-06 does give you a larger powder capacity to play with if you are a reloader. There are handloads for it that are on par with some of the newer magnum cartridges out there, assuming the rifle itself can handle it (don't try it in a milsurp!)...the 7.62x51 is pretty much loaded to the gills in its standard ball form, so there is not as much room to play with.

To me, these factors aren't really that important. I'm not a reloader and I don't hunt with my battle rifles, so I stick to milsurp ammo for my Garand. I could buy an adjustable gas plug and use commercial ammo, but that would only drive up my cost of shooting and offer me no real benefits for my uses. So I don't mind being "locked into" 150gr M2 ball. And to the guy who called that round "neutered," :rolleyes: there are a few hundred thousand Japanese, German, and Italian corpses who would beg to differ if they were still around...

wksun88
10-20-2009, 1:19 PM
I currently have a 3006 bolt action tikka and I'm going to buy reloading dies for it pretty soon. So I really don't wanna buy components for another round like 308

Milsurp Collector
10-20-2009, 2:44 PM
I currently have a 3006 bolt action tikka and I'm going to buy reloading dies for it pretty soon. So I really don't wanna buy components for another round like 308

Reloading dies are not expensive ($23) http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=538030

I have dies for 10 different cartridges.

Don't let the tail wag the dog i.e. don't let a $23 purchase sway your choice of rifles that cost hundreds of dollars. ;)

technique
10-20-2009, 4:17 PM
test this is only a test..(having issues with calguns please ignore this post)

okay..Calguns is working now....I posted this just a few minutes ago and it says I posted at 130am...it put my post in between a bunch of other posts out of order. This was the top post in the forum and it shot it to the second page when I posted sooooooo

BTT!!!!:D sorry bout that!

xr650r
10-20-2009, 5:04 PM
Ohio Ordinance works BAR.

this

Rob454
10-20-2009, 5:13 PM
Saiga has a 30-06. not sure if its sold here though

sevensix2x51
10-20-2009, 6:01 PM
Reloading dies are not expensive ($23) http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=538030

I have dies for 10 different cartridges.

Don't let the tail wag the dog i.e. don't let a $23 purchase sway your choice of rifles that cost hundreds of dollars. ;)

+1. and the two cartridges use the same components. same shellholder, same projectiles, same primers, and rumor has it, they both love IMR 4895. ;)
so reloading cost is not really a reason not to expand into the .308win cartridge. you will already have 80% of the stuff to reload it! :thumbsup:

wksun88
10-20-2009, 9:08 PM
+1. and the two cartridges use the same components. same shellholder, same projectiles, same primers, and rumor has it, they both love IMR 4895. ;)
so reloading cost is not really a reason not to expand into the .308win cartridge. you will already have 80% of the stuff to reload it! :thumbsup:

So I guess the brass is the only thing I need to worry about?

Jpach
10-20-2009, 11:47 PM
+1. and the two cartridges use the same components. same shellholder, same projectiles, same primers, and rumor has it, they both love IMR 4895. ;)
so reloading cost is not really a reason not to expand into the .308win cartridge. you will already have 80% of the stuff to reload it! :thumbsup:

Mine and alot of other .308s like IMR 4064 better :eek: ! Ha, i still use 4895 at times.

Those FN49s are looking pretty cool. I need one in 8mm.

sevensix2x51
10-21-2009, 6:38 AM
Mine and alot of other .308s like IMR 4064 better :eek: ! Ha, i still use 4895 at times.

Those FN49s are looking pretty cool. I need one in 8mm.
lol, well old habits die hard. :)
OP- all youll need is brass and dies.doesnt get much easier than that!

CAL.BAR
10-21-2009, 9:41 AM
Ohio Ordinance works BAR.

+1 there - I love mine! (18 month waiting list from Ohio Ordnance however)

wksun88
10-26-2009, 7:55 AM
Ok guys, a little update. I decided on a 308 saiga with a 21 inch barrel as my DMR rifle. I bought it from DDsRanch and I'm planning on putting a POSP scope on there and a bipod.
I already have a 7.62x39 saiga and wasr10 so I figured what the heck, already familiar with the platform anyway :)

FeuerFrei
10-26-2009, 8:57 AM
CMP Garand in service grade.
Buy and wait...a long, long time.
Worth every penny.
BTW...is there any other 30-06 semi auto that is really as good as a Garand?

WeekendWarrior
10-26-2009, 11:38 AM
WWRTW

X-NewYawker
10-26-2009, 11:50 AM
thanks for the suggestions, but something around the 600 dollar price range would be nice as well

You're back in Garand CMP land there. Call gun world in burbank they just got in a period 3006 semi hunting rifle.

fragthefreaks
11-20-2009, 5:11 PM
rem 742,7400,and bar, all have 10 rnd mags available



???????? No disrespect but where are you finding a 10 round clip for a BAR? unless it's a 1918 of course, But for Mark II ? Safari?

Bucky G
11-20-2009, 8:12 PM
BAR lol

I had a nice remington semi auto woodsmaster 30.06... my first centerfire
that was a great rifle

I just saw one used at our local gunshop, I might have to pick it up

killshot44
11-21-2009, 3:55 PM
Sevenzix, that is a nice looking stock. Seriously.

sevensix2x51
11-21-2009, 4:09 PM
thanks! she's my baby. bit of a safe queen these days..... scared ill shoot out the barrel....

CAL.BAR
11-21-2009, 5:46 PM
???????? No disrespect but where are you finding a 10 round clip for a BAR? unless it's a 1918 of course, But for Mark II ? Safari?

Ohio Ordnance works (who makes the Ca Legal BAR) sells them pre-modified for $150.00 for two)