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MasterYong
10-19-2009, 8:51 AM
Here's the skinny:

I'm currently in AZ- I've moved here for at least the next six months, maybe a year. Based on the current situation, I'll probably always have a place here, at least for 5-10 years.

Now that I'm here, I'm absolutely overwhelmed with the amount of toys I can now buy that I didn't even know existed when I was in CA. I'm getting my AZ ID this week so soon I'll be able to purchase firearms here.

So I'm looking for a little input from the forum: what rifles should I look out for here that can't be had in CA? I have ARs so those are covered- but what about the other types that I can't have in CA? I am particularly interested in bullpups (Cabela's had a used MSAR STG 556 for $1400, and a CX4).

So what's on your wish list? Inspire me! :D

Barney Gumble
10-19-2009, 8:55 AM
IMO it's a bigger deal to be free of bullet buttons and mag capacity restrictions.

You can have an STG 556 in CA as long as it has a bullet button so I'm not sure that fits into what you're asking for.

On the AR side you could pick up a real Colt rifle but in reality a lower is a lower so it's not that big a deal.

Probably the best place to look would be the Roberti Roos list in 12276 and see if something there strikes your fancy. Most of this stuff has clones available in CA though so it's not quite as exciting a list as it was four or five years ago.

12276. As used in this chapter, "assault weapon" shall mean the
following designated semiautomatic firearms:
(a) All of the following specified rifles:
(1) All AK series including, but not limited to, the models
identified as follows:
(A) Made in China AK, AKM, AKS, AK47, AK47S, 56, 56S, 84S, and
86S.
(B) Norinco 56, 56S, 84S, and 86S.
(C) Poly Technologies AKS and AK47.
(D) MAADI AK47 and ARM.
(2) UZI and Galil.
(3) Beretta AR-70.
(4) CETME Sporter.
(5) Colt AR-15 series.
(6) Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C.
(7) Fabrique Nationale FAL, LAR, FNC, 308 Match, and Sporter.
(8) MAS 223.
(9) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, and HK-PSG-1.
(10) The following MAC types:
(A) RPB Industries Inc. sM10 and sM11.
(B) SWD Incorporated M11.
(11) SKS with detachable magazine.
(12) SIG AMT, PE-57, SG 550, and SG 551.
(13) Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48.
(14) Sterling MK-6.
(15) Steyer AUG.
(16) Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78S.
(17) Armalite AR-180.
(18) Bushmaster Assault Rifle.
(19) Calico M-900.
(20) J&R ENG M-68.
(21) Weaver Arms Nighthawk.
(b) All of the following specified pistols:
(1) UZI.
(2) Encom MP-9 and MP-45.
(3) The following MAC types:
(A) RPB Industries Inc. sM10 and sM11.
(B) SWD Incorporated M-11.
(C) Advance Armament Inc. M-11.
(D) Military Armament Corp. Ingram M-11.
(4) Intratec TEC-9.
(5) Sites Spectre.
(6) Sterling MK-7.
(7) Calico M-950.
(8) Bushmaster Pistol.
(c) All of the following specified shotguns:
(1) Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12.
(2) Striker 12.
(3) The Streetsweeper type S/S Inc. SS/12.

BlackDrop50
10-19-2009, 9:01 AM
Call me simple but I just want a real complete Colt AR-15

Black Majik
10-19-2009, 9:04 AM
The hell with "What gun to get," go suppressed and full-auto!

SJgunguy24
10-19-2009, 9:04 AM
Barrett M82A1

cortayack
10-19-2009, 9:08 AM
Without BB and be able to use high cap magz......WIN/WIN right there! Maybe look into the big boy toy: 50cal.............:36:

Enjoy your hunting for new toys...............

a1fabweld
10-19-2009, 9:15 AM
Old school genuine HK rifles like the 91/G3, 93, MP5. Barrett .50 semi auto.

Vin496
10-19-2009, 9:20 AM
I don't find the AW list as annoying as the safe handgun list. Anything new and modern except for .50 cal rifles can be had in California.

SCMA-1
10-19-2009, 9:28 AM
Barrett M82A1

THIS!


http://www.firearms.com.pl/m82foto/M82rys.jpg

hoozaru
10-19-2009, 9:31 AM
scorpion
Tec-22
AP 9

SCMA-1
10-19-2009, 9:33 AM
scorpion
Tec-22
AP 9

Those are pistols. The OP is asking about rifles.

pacrimguru
10-19-2009, 9:33 AM
- Thompson M1A1 SBR
- KAC SR-15 E3

evidens83
10-19-2009, 9:33 AM
SBR AR15 full-auto w/suppressor
HK MP5 full-auto w/suppressor
AA12 automatic shotgun

Just a few

kf6tac
10-19-2009, 9:34 AM
Not a must-have by any means, but I've always been a little intrigued by the Beretta CX-4 Storm carbine.

EDIT: Oh, you did mention the CX4 in your original post. In that case, I agree on the CX4 ;)

skylovia
10-19-2009, 9:44 AM
Something without a bullet button with 30 rounders that shoots either .223/5.56 or 7.62x39 with a pistol grip and collapsible stock:D

olhunter
10-19-2009, 9:49 AM
Those are pistols. The OP is asking about rifles.

Uh oh, forum foul. Call the CG police.

I REALLY want a Taurus Judge. Oh, crap, forum foul again. Sorry.

Anyhooo, I want a pistol-gripped AK47 with removable mag and an HK91.

Vin496
10-19-2009, 9:51 AM
Uh oh, forum foul. Call the CG police.

I REALLY want a Taurus Judge. Oh, crap, forum foul again. Sorry.

Anyhooo, I want a pistol-gripped AK47 with removable mag and an HK91.

You mean a 30 round removable mag.

Q
10-19-2009, 9:51 AM
HK 21E :D

scarville
10-19-2009, 9:54 AM
Seriously, the so called "assault rifles" hold little interest for me. The M-14 is OK and being able to use a flash suppressor and standard magazines would be nice. What does matter is that I am forbidden to own certain rifles. Like Edgar Friendly I want to know the choices are there if I suddenly feel the need for a full auto AR-15 with a drum magazine.

ghost
10-19-2009, 9:55 AM
nfa:43:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/jerad/CIMG6299.jpg

5ohguy
10-19-2009, 9:55 AM
http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/images/Gau8a_a.jpg

Hoolpe
10-19-2009, 9:55 AM
I want a Ruger Charger 10/22.

olhunter
10-19-2009, 9:56 AM
You mean a 30 round removable mag.

WTH, make it a 40-rounder!

BIGCHRIS
10-19-2009, 9:59 AM
I would first get my front windows tinted, then go and buy a AK and then take the BB off my AR and buy many high cap mags and use them without fear of getting in trouble.

PEBKAC
10-19-2009, 10:13 AM
FAMAS....

Barring that...KAC SR-M110 SASS. :D

badreligion
10-19-2009, 10:14 AM
Short barreled, Para FAL.
Integral Suppressed 10/22
308 Supressed Bolt Gun
Anything NFA

osis32
10-19-2009, 10:24 AM
m1a with ebr style stock.

Sick Boy
10-19-2009, 10:26 AM
Draco pistol, but in SBR form.

A real AK-10?

KAC SR-25 Carbine.

I don't need FA, just no BB and the use of standard cap mags.

dadoody
10-19-2009, 10:28 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/SturmGrenadier/SVD/SSG-97Package.jpg

Calishnikov
10-19-2009, 10:40 AM
You will have to get a class 3 license if you want full auto or suppressors in AZ....

inkedshooter
10-19-2009, 10:47 AM
Barret .50BMG that's in the newer Rambo movie :rolleyes:

MasterYong
10-19-2009, 10:47 AM
Sweet replies guys, thanks!

I forgot all about the SBR thing. What's the federal OAL?

I can have FA??? Really? What's the deal on that? (ETA: thanks Calishnikov for the clarification. I knew there had to be some sort of license for the FA. Didn't know about a license for suppressors though).

Mr. Gumble: Thanks for the list. I thought for some reason that getting the MSAR past the OAL requirement was difficult for CA, that's why I listed it. That and a buddy insisted it's the bees knees.

I know this is the centerfire forum, but since it came up: if I get an off-roster handgun in AZ, can I bring it back into CA with me if/when I move back? Most likely any rifles I get here will be left in AZ (especially if there's a legal requirement to do so) but handguns take up much less space to transport back and forth. So long as I leave the full-cap mags here can I take a non-rostered handgun back into CA? (I'm sure this has been asked on CG countless times but why not add it to the thread).

Back to centerfire rifles: to narrow it down, by three favorite calibers so far have been .308, .45, and 9mm. 5.56 is OK for plinking (great "fun gun" round).

tomd1584
10-19-2009, 11:00 AM
I agree, I'd take a SBR'd AR-15

Mute
10-19-2009, 11:17 AM
An AR15 in SBR format and a good quality suppressor.

reidnez
10-19-2009, 11:20 AM
Not a rifle, but I'd really love to have a collection of WWII SMG's to go with my service rifles :) . A Thompson, PPSH, An MP-40 and a Sten would do nicely. That way all four major powers in the European theater are represented (I don't have any Japanese weapons yet...)

Even if they were legally obtainable, I'm pretty sure the cost would be beyond-prohibitive for me anyway :(. But I can dream.

Stork
10-19-2009, 11:32 AM
A suppressed SBR would be awesome! That and a .50 cal

reidnez
10-19-2009, 11:36 AM
You will have to get a class 3 license if you want full auto or suppressors in AZ....

Actually, you only need a Class 3 SOT if you want to sell that stuff. Buying it requires an application process with BATFE and a tax stamp, not a license.

There is actually no such thing as a "Class 3 weapon," only a Class 3 dealer. But that is a very common point of confusion.

NavDoc
10-19-2009, 11:45 AM
Supressed and SBR'd 9mm AR.

MasterYong
10-19-2009, 11:49 AM
Supressed and SBR'd 9mm AR.

I was definitely thinking about an SBR in 9mm, whether or not it's an AR. I think the suppressor thing sounds like too much of a hassle though, what with having to apply to the BATFE and such.

IrishPirate
10-19-2009, 11:53 AM
A full-auto/3burst AK-47 with pistol grip, folding stock, flash suppressor, plenty of 20 and 30rd mags and NO BULLET BUTTON!!!!!

Shawn L
10-19-2009, 11:53 AM
MP5

God Bless The Mauser
10-19-2009, 11:57 AM
FA M1928 Thompson, Colt AR15, FA AK47, FA MG42 and .50BMG rifle of some sort.

tomd1584
10-19-2009, 12:17 PM
I was definitely thinking about an SBR in 9mm, whether or not it's an AR. I think the suppressor thing sounds like too much of a hassle though, what with having to apply to the BATFE and such.

if you're going to SBR a rifle, might as well get a suppressor too.

Flying_clutchman
10-19-2009, 12:26 PM
glock 18!!!! whoops, its supposed to be rifles, but a fully auto glock should be high on your list!

xxG3xx
10-19-2009, 12:30 PM
full auto's
suppressors
50 Cals
to drop mags without going featureless

oh to be free

WeekendWarrior
10-19-2009, 12:46 PM
WWRTW

stix213
10-19-2009, 1:09 PM
Full auto AK - I'm sure there is some tax stamp or something you can buy there to get one legally

Other than that, I'm more interested in high cap mags than anything else. Get yourself some freaking drum mags for your ARs.

MasterYong
10-19-2009, 1:12 PM
Full auto AK - I'm sure there is some tax stamp or something you can buy there to get one legally

Other than that, I'm more interested in high cap mags than anything else. Get yourself some freaking drum mags for your ARs.

I haven't run across any drums yet (though I heard that most jam a lot and there's only a few brands that work very well) but I've definitely taken care of getting 30 rounders for my ARs. I was tempted to buy a 33 rd Glock mag for my G19 just to mess around, but decided to apply my funds elsewhere.

GraveTrain
10-19-2009, 1:19 PM
Come on, these questions aren't even challenging anymore. :D

1) HK G36

2) HK UMP .45

3) Any gun that takes a 30 round magazine

O8SERVER
10-19-2009, 1:46 PM
Colt 6920 + suppressor

14'' pump shotgun

Full auto MP5

HK45

dchang0
10-19-2009, 2:50 PM
SBRed FN PS90 for sure. (Some guys on FNforum.net have had highdesertdog cut their barrels down and attach a P90-style flash hider, resulting in a close copy of the P90.)

http://fnforum.net/viewtopic.php?t=6905

AM9000
10-19-2009, 3:41 PM
nfa:43:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/jerad/CIMG6299.jpg

Well said. +1 on the KRINK!

Also, I want a KAC PDW and an SR-25.

EBR Works
10-19-2009, 4:12 PM
All you guys that want a .50 in California, get a .50 DTC. Identical ballistics that give a big FU to those in Cali that don't want you to have a .50.

Since I already have one, this is what I would get if I lived in a free state. 20mm Vulcan rifle shown next to a .50:

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/602/20mmwith50a1.jpg
http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/photos/weapons_fireams/20mmvsothersacee.jpg

joemama
10-19-2009, 4:19 PM
All you guys that want a .50 in California, get a .50 DTC. Identical ballistics that give a big FU to those in Cali that don't want you to have a .50.

Since I already have one, this is what I would get if I lived in a free state. 20mm Vulcan rifle shown next to a .50:

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/602/20mmwith50a1.jpg
http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/photos/weapons_fireams/20mmvsothersacee.jpg

That thing is awesome! Looks like it would split an elephant in two.

B Strong
10-19-2009, 4:32 PM
Here's the skinny:

I'm currently in AZ- I've moved here for at least the next six months, maybe a year. Based on the current situation, I'll probably always have a place here, at least for 5-10 years.

Now that I'm here, I'm absolutely overwhelmed with the amount of toys I can now buy that I didn't even know existed when I was in CA. I'm getting my AZ ID this week so soon I'll be able to purchase firearms here.

So I'm looking for a little input from the forum: what rifles should I look out for here that can't be had in CA? I have ARs so those are covered- but what about the other types that I can't have in CA? I am particularly interested in bullpups (Cabela's had a used MSAR STG 556 for $1400, and a CX4).

So what's on your wish list? Inspire me! :D

If you've never owned one, spend the dough and get a SIG AMT or PE-57, or a real FN G Series FAL.

You owe it to yourself to have at least one of those rifles in your lifetime.

Uriah02
10-19-2009, 4:37 PM
I want a SCAR-H without a bullet button.

B Strong
10-19-2009, 4:37 PM
All you guys that want a .50 in California, get a .50 DTC. Identical ballistics that give a big FU to those in Cali that don't want you to have a .50.

Since I already have one, this is what I would get if I lived in a free state. 20mm Vulcan rifle shown next to a .50:

I've fired a Lahti 20mm and it wasn't a pleasant experience.

I'll stick with the .50/.510 class.

tiger222
10-19-2009, 4:41 PM
1: HK93
2: HK94
3: SIG 551
4: AR180 (Howa)
5: FN FNC
6: Steyr AUG A1
7: Colt AR15 SP1 (mid 70's)
8: Walther WA2000

swerv512
10-19-2009, 4:43 PM
I'd get a real HK91 and one of those surefire suppressors... :drool5:

Army GI
10-19-2009, 5:01 PM
Not a rifle, but I'd really love to have a collection of WWII SMG's to go with my service rifles :) . A Thompson, PPSH, An MP-40 and a Sten would do nicely. That way all four major powers in the European theater are represented (I don't have any Japanese weapons yet...)

Even if they were legally obtainable, I'm pretty sure the cost would be beyond-prohibitive for me anyway :(. But I can dream.

THIS.

Might I also add: the Browning Automatic Rifle and a Barret .50.

ke6guj
10-19-2009, 5:05 PM
I was definitely thinking about an SBR in 9mm, whether or not it's an AR. I think the suppressor thing sounds like too much of a hassle though, what with having to apply to the BATFE and such.

same amount of "hassle" to get a suppressor as it is to get an SBR. Both of them go through the same process. If you local CLEO will sign off on the Form 1 or Form 4, it is a piece of cake to do the paperwork. If not, then you set up a trust and do it that way.

elSquid
10-19-2009, 5:11 PM
When the CA AW laws are tossed, I'm buying a FAL Para.

When we can get NFA items here, I'm buying an SBR'd AK.

Any day now....

-- Michael

HappyG
10-19-2009, 5:25 PM
Automatic and suppressed would probably rank highest among members...

Somekindagenius
10-19-2009, 6:39 PM
Suppressed SBRs

Ding126
10-19-2009, 6:50 PM
The barrett is about 9k,,,,a MP5 will run about 15K those are my 1st two choices

I would suggest SGC ( Scottsdale Gun Club ) to look, rent or drool. I did the opposite from Ca to Az and back again...I will always miss AZ

AR-SBR w/ Sure fire can..its a must

Ding126
10-19-2009, 6:53 PM
PS: If you get your CCW you can walk out with your purchase..or wait 5-10 min for back check with drivers license...enjoy but don't forget where you come from and keep the support for CA

Big D
10-19-2009, 7:01 PM
An official red ryder carbine action 200 shot bb gun with a compas in the stock, and this thing which tells time!

Oh well good thing I can't have it, I'd probably shoot my eye out.

thegrayham
10-19-2009, 7:27 PM
I dream of a land of 30rd magazines and the ability to change them without the use of a tool...

Vin496
10-19-2009, 7:29 PM
PS: If you get your CCW you can walk out with your purchase..or wait 5-10 min for back check with drivers license...enjoy but don't forget where you come from and keep the support for CA

More like 1-2 minutes max.

torsf
10-19-2009, 7:35 PM
Krinkovs, DSA's 13 inch FAL, and a 50 BMG

till44
10-19-2009, 7:42 PM
The hell with "What gun to get," go suppressed and full-auto!

This... with no bullet button and high cap mags.

Quiet
10-19-2009, 7:44 PM
I was definitely thinking about an SBR in 9mm, whether or not it's an AR. I think the suppressor thing sounds like too much of a hassle though, what with having to apply to the BATFE and such.
FYI.

All Title 2 firearms require BATFE approval.

The paperwork and money required to make or transfer a SBR is the same for a noise suppressor.

xm177
10-19-2009, 7:44 PM
HK 94 Suppressed, Colt 6920, Colt 6933 SBR, Steyr AUG, Knights SR-15 IWS E3, Maadi AK-47....AAC Suppressors, RDIAS...one can wish :43:

bigfrank
10-19-2009, 8:19 PM
Here's the skinny:

I'm currently in AZ- I've moved here for at least the next six months, maybe a year. Based on the current situation, I'll probably always have a place here, at least for 5-10 years.

Now that I'm here, I'm absolutely overwhelmed with the amount of toys I can now buy that I didn't even know existed when I was in CA. I'm getting my AZ ID this week so soon I'll be able to purchase firearms here.

So I'm looking for a little input from the forum: what rifles should I look out for here that can't be had in CA? I have ARs so those are covered- but what about the other types that I can't have in CA? I am particularly interested in bullpups (Cabela's had a used MSAR STG 556 for $1400, and a CX4).

So what's on your wish list? Inspire me! :D

SAW M249 and M60

GraveTrain
10-19-2009, 9:45 PM
Here's my other choice. But I think this is going to be a problem owning anywhere in the US....


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/GAU-8_Avenger_contrast.jpg/800px-GAU-8_Avenger_contrast.jpg
General Electric GAU-8 Avenger with a...

Fairchild Model A-10 Thunderbolt II Custom Holster
http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/photos/global_ranger/images/24792/640x480/fairchild-a-10-thunderbolt-ii.jpg

KAVEMAN762
10-19-2009, 10:03 PM
Here's my other choice. But I think this is going to be a problem owning anywhere in the US....


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/GAU-8_Avenger_contrast.jpg/800px-GAU-8_Avenger_contrast.jpg
General Electric GAU-8 Avenger with a...



Dude i love the sounds of a burst from a GAU 12!!(25 mike mike)bbbbbbbrrrrrrrraaaaapppppppppppppppp......... ...........tink tink tink boom boom boom boom!!...LOL

I want everything listed on the AW list. I would be happy with a select fire SR25

ejc999
10-19-2009, 10:39 PM
HK PSG-1 and AKM.

blackrifle242
10-19-2009, 10:58 PM
I really want to get rid of my HK91. I wish we were in a free state so I can put it up here and sell it It seems like allot of people like them. I would rather have something else. Buy the way it's in Nevada and if you have a out of state residence, than it's for sale. So I would get:

G36
Full Auto, Supressed AR SPR
KAC 110 SASS
Hell what ever my wife would let me buy.

paratroop
10-19-2009, 11:14 PM
aug, kac masterkey.

copperhead
10-20-2009, 8:25 AM
Full auto M-14, period.

technique
10-20-2009, 8:35 AM
Kinda sucks I can't participate it these types of threads anymore...but then again...it kinda doesn't. :D

PutTogether
10-20-2009, 8:42 AM
I am going to agree with the guy that suggested an integrally suppressed 10/22 and a suppressed .308 bolt gun.

Variable2147
10-20-2009, 11:36 AM
formula for most evil rifle

SBR+Suppressor+Select fire+drum mag

=making Democrats and zombies poop their pants simultaneously.

MasterYong
10-20-2009, 1:01 PM
Kinda sucks I can't participate it these types of threads anymore...but then again...it kinda doesn't. :D

It's still good to have ya around, tech- you can be like an ambassador! Telling folks in ID that not everyone in CA prays to the idols of Brady, Pelosi, and Feinstein the way folks think we do! (I'll always be a Californian no matter where I live)

supersonic
10-20-2009, 1:04 PM
F/A UZI or a Barrett M107.:cool:

hotwls13
10-20-2009, 1:30 PM
Yep, first thing that comes to my mind is a Barrett 50cal.

socomIInato
10-20-2009, 5:11 PM
Old school genuine HK rifles like the 91/G3, 93, MP5. Barrett .50 semi auto.HK93 to match my HK91, knew I should have bought one back in the day! bought a colt HBAR instead, was I wrong? to get me wrong I love my colt, just gettig greedy!:chris:

rabagley
10-20-2009, 7:38 PM
Suppressed .300 whisper with a 10" barrel fed by a 100-round Beta mag.

jamesob
10-20-2009, 7:49 PM
WTH, make it a 40-rounder!

wtf make it a 100rnd beta mag.

randy
10-21-2009, 2:53 AM
I pretty much own everything I want. I'm not into the black rifle, FA stuff so what's out there I don't already have I don't want.

plankowner
10-21-2009, 5:43 AM
thompson

Crazed_SS
10-21-2009, 6:09 AM
Bushmaster A2 20" Target Rifle
http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/bush_bcwa2f20.jpg

WASR-10
http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/century/century_ri1166-n.jpg

MasterYong
10-21-2009, 7:06 AM
Bushmaster A2 20" Target Rifle
http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/bush_bcwa2f20.jpg

WASR-10
http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/century/century_ri1166-n.jpg

My buddy just bought that same Bushmaster the other day used for $600. Seemed like a good deal. His has a helluva brake on it though, shoots real nice.

HondaMasterTech
10-21-2009, 4:31 PM
Ruger SR-556.

easy
10-21-2009, 6:23 PM
I'm simple. Sub2000 and a suppressed .22lr.

MasterYong
10-22-2009, 6:48 AM
Ruger SR-556.

I've been looking at those. I don't know much about their reliability or history, but I'm pretty sure the Ruger 556 is the civi version of the "550 Commando" that I use so often playing Rainbow Six Vegas LOL.

Looking around more and more, I realize that other posters in this thread are correct in that most of what's out there really is available in CA. The gun I've been looking hardest at is a POF .308 which is doable in CA with a BB. Just as well- it'll be nice to be able to bring my guns back with me...

X-NewYawker
10-22-2009, 8:10 AM
HK 91
SIG 550
FN FAL
AR-10

Not clones.
Not "neutered."
Had them all in the past.
When I live in nevada, I will have them again

cmaynes
10-22-2009, 9:13 AM
Colt, BCM or LMT 11.5" AR with a gemtech G5.

possible in NV or AZ, only by act of God in CA.