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MAD SVT
10-16-2009, 9:17 PM
Im pretty sure its a Mauser, but theres slight differences that dont match up with alot of the pics ive seen.
I got this from a friend of a friend of a etc. etc. about 7 years ago.. i was just thinking about it today so i thought i'd post it up.. when i first got it i couldnt figure it out for the life of me, there seems to be alot more markings on other mausers...


http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab215/madscobra/PA160080.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab215/madscobra/PA160081.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab215/madscobra/PA160082.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab215/madscobra/PA160083.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab215/madscobra/PA160084.jpg

Uriah02
10-16-2009, 9:23 PM
I don't know if I'm off my rocker but I am thinking it might be a 30-40 Krag that had the box moved/removed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krag-J%C3%B8rgensen

MAD SVT
10-16-2009, 9:32 PM
no the bolt has the stripper clip groove in it, its a top loader for sure, not sure which ammo it takes

sevensix2x51
10-16-2009, 9:35 PM
mauser. thats all i can say about it. dont know much about those...

skywarp1978
10-16-2009, 9:53 PM
Looks alot like a Spanish m1916 mauser.

jamesob
10-16-2009, 9:53 PM
argintine or spanish maybe? but the spanish i have seen have the action support or whatever the thing in the stock is.

Mssr. Eleganté
10-16-2009, 10:10 PM
Looks alot like a Spanish m1916 mauser.

Yeah, I think it's what they refer to as an "Unmarked Model 1916".

http://masterton.us/Unmarked1916

G-Man WC
10-16-2009, 11:08 PM
I want to say spanish also.
Nobody expects.................
The Spanish Mauser Inquisition!

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting/spanishinquisition/index.asp

five.five-six
10-16-2009, 11:11 PM
I want to say spanish also.
Nobody expects.................
The Spanish Mauser Inquisition!

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting/spanishinquisition/index.asp


^:lol:^

but yes spanish mauser

:inquis:

bballwizard05
10-16-2009, 11:15 PM
nice crocs.... lol. also a pretty stock on the gun

jamesob
10-16-2009, 11:22 PM
Yeah, I think it's what they refer to as an "Unmarked Model 1916".

http://masterton.us/Unmarked1916

yep, the serial number falls into their numbers .

MAD SVT
10-17-2009, 4:57 AM
nice crocs.... lol. also a pretty stock on the gun

lol.... i love them

MAD SVT
10-17-2009, 5:04 AM
OK! I am convienced!! i have a spanish mauser.

The funny thing is, this rifle feels more solid and with a smoother action than most production pieces that i use today. I cant believe its 100 years old.

TRAP55
10-17-2009, 9:43 AM
It's a Spanish.
Look at the bolt face, is the bottom round or flat and squared off?

MAD SVT
10-17-2009, 10:32 AM
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab215/madscobra/PA170085.jpg

TRAP55
10-17-2009, 11:39 AM
Spanish 1893, 95's have a round bolt face. Yours went thru the update and had the gas vent drilled in the side of the receiver. Have the headspace checked just to be safe.
Should be 7x57, chambers are loose and have a lot of freebore for the longer 175grn bullets. You may get lucky and have an accurate shooter with lighter bullets.

MAD SVT
10-17-2009, 11:46 AM
had it 7 years, never fired it.

TRAP55
10-17-2009, 12:01 PM
SACRILEGE! :eek:
Wally World off the shelf 7mm Mauser ammo is all loaded to SAMMI spec pressures for the 1893. Norma ammo is hotter, Lapua is too hot. Stick with Rem, Fed, or Win ammo.
Before you shoot it, give the bore a good scrub, and take the bolt apart and get the hardened gunk out of the bolt body. Don't grease it, just give all the parts a good coat of CLP.
http://www.surplusrifle.com/mauser93spanish/boltdisassembly/index.asp

coop44
10-17-2009, 7:51 PM
my vote is for yanking the barrel off and building a 308, with rails on every exposed surface, and the sporting version of the Hubble on top, and a carbon arc spotlight underneath.

heh,heh,heh it's ALIVE Igor!

Fjold
10-17-2009, 8:22 PM
It's a 93, not a 98 so leave it in the original chambering. When the Spanish re-chambered their 93's to 308 they made special low power ammunition for them. IIRC it was only loaded to 45,000 CUP because the 93 couldn't handle a steady diet of modern ammunition.

jms
10-17-2009, 9:58 PM
It's Spanish Mauser in 7mm. I think I have something like that.

MAD SVT
01-10-2010, 12:28 PM
Ok... im buying some 7mm mauser online so i can finally shoot this

jarhead995
01-10-2010, 1:26 PM
has a jewish star on it does that mean anything?

jamesob
01-10-2010, 2:17 PM
has a jewish star on it does that mean anything?

it does? all i see is a star proof mark.

tankerman
01-10-2010, 3:35 PM
How much ammo you need? I've got several hundred rounds on stripper clips and no longer own a 7x57.

TRAP55
01-13-2010, 2:25 PM
has a jewish star on it does that mean anything?
That's the Proof Stamp for the Loewe plant, that one was made in Germany.

Tankerman, PM me with a price on that!

MAD SVT
01-16-2010, 3:31 PM
Ok i was @ ammo bros today and they had some in stock. Does this look right? its pretty darn tight.
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab215/madscobra/Mobile%20Uploads/0116001624.jpg

MAD SVT
03-27-2011, 4:30 PM
Ok so update..... I took it to the range, fired it... or lack thereof

I tried 3-4 times and it just goes click, no bang.

Anyone know a good guy to take this thing to? This isnt something i want to mess with, im still only 60% sure im even trying the correct ammo.


also, anyone know what this thing would be worth if it was functional? I can forsee a FS thread in my future.

Rogerbutthead
03-27-2011, 5:48 PM
dupe

MAD SVT
03-27-2011, 8:02 PM
dupe

Really? I duplicated my own thread?
Oh... someone out there has my exact gun, didnt know what it was, and posted it, people commented it, he took their advice, tried to shoot it, it doesnt work, and now he wants to sell it or fix it and he is looking for advice.

oh thats right, neither.:mad:

xmustanguyx
03-27-2011, 8:08 PM
Did you get any dimpling on the bullet? Does the firing ping move at all?
I am not an expert but that's what I would look at first.

Love the Cobra by the way. 03 or 04? Is that your daily driver?

Rogerbutthead
03-27-2011, 8:30 PM
I took off my comment cuz I was duplicating something someone else had posted.

After reading the comments, I thought you should take apart the bolt to see why the firing pin was not working. I posted the link that Trapp55 had already posted at 18, but I didn't notice it until I read all the comments again.

Sorry

MAD SVT
03-27-2011, 9:53 PM
Did you get any dimpling on the bullet? Does the firing ping move at all?
I am not an expert but that's what I would look at first.

Love the Cobra by the way. 03 or 04? Is that your daily driver?
No dimpling, the firing pin DOES move, i can take the bolt back and manually pull the hammer(or whatever its called) back and let it fly forward.
My thought is that the firing in is too short and its not striking, or that its worn down from 3,000,000 dry fires... who knows. I tried putting a piece of scotch tape over the firing pin, on the bolt to see if it gets penetrated... but thats not a surefire test cause im sure theres some flex.

what im really concerned about is that this thing might be one of the ones they rechambered for 308 and im trying to fire 7mm mauser out of it. I really need it to be looked at by a pro at this point. I nutted up and tried firing it as is (with a welding jacket on top of the receiver between it and my face no less) and this is what i get.

The Cobra is an '03.. im the original owner... looks stock huh :D less than 27k on it, its my weekend car. btw satin wheels came with the 03, 04 they switched to chrome, its an easy way to tell the difference, thats the only one... just fyi

I took off my comment cuz I was duplicating something someone else had posted.

After reading the comments, I thought you should take apart the bolt to see why the firing pin was not working. I posted the link that Trapp55 had already posted at 18, but I didn't notice it until I read all the comments again.

Sorry
no prob bro.. I actually cant figure out how to take the bolt apart... my attention span is too short for this rifle (hence the 1yr mark between posts)
Do you know how to take it apart? If its simple ill just aquire another firing pin and swap it out.

Pthfndr
03-27-2011, 9:56 PM
Ok so update..... I took it to the range, fired it... or lack thereof

I tried 3-4 times and it just goes click, no bang.

Anyone know a good guy to take this thing to? This isnt something i want to mess with, im still only 60% sure im even trying the correct ammo.


also, anyone know what this thing would be worth if it was functional? I can forsee a FS thread in my future.

Did you take the bolt apart? Even if you haven't, did you make sure the bolt sleeve/Shroud is screwed all the way back into the bolt body? It's a common mistake.

MAD SVT
03-27-2011, 9:58 PM
Did you take the bolt apart? Even if you haven't, did you make sure the bolt sleeve/Shroud is screwed all the way back into the bolt body? It's a common mistake.

How do i see if its screwed in all the way?

Pthfndr
03-27-2011, 10:00 PM
what im really concerned about is that this thing might be one of the ones they rechambered for 308 and im trying to fire 7mm mauser out of it.

If it was rechambered for .308 you wouldn't be able to close the bolt. 7mm is a lot longer cartridge.

no prob bro.. I actually cant figure out how to take the bolt apart... my attention span is too short for this rifle (hence the 1yr mark between posts)
Do you know how to take it apart? If its simple ill just aquire another firing pin and swap it out.

It's really easy and no tools are needed. Instructions with pics here: http://www.surplusrifle.com/mauser93spanish/boltdisassembly/index.asp

MAD SVT
03-27-2011, 10:34 PM
If it was rechambered for .308 you wouldn't be able to close the bolt. 7mm is a lot longer cartridge.


It's really easy and no tools are needed. Instructions with pics here: http://www.surplusrifle.com/mauser93spanish/boltdisassembly/index.asp

Sweet.. thanks.

I removed the firing pin. it looked fine.. not sure how else to test it out without going hot

94socalkrawler
03-28-2011, 4:00 AM
Pull apart a round a drop the poweder so all you have is a casing a firing cap. load it pull the trigger, atleast thats what I did when i got my mosin. good luck

MAD SVT
03-28-2011, 7:38 PM
Pull apart a round a drop the poweder so all you have is a casing a firing cap. load it pull the trigger, atleast thats what I did when i got my mosin. good luck

ITS ALIVE!!!!!

woohooo that worked... my dumb dumb head didnt have the bolt screwed all the way in like the above poster had mentioned.

sweet, to the FS section it goes!

nick
03-28-2011, 7:47 PM
ITS ALIVE!!!!!

woohooo that worked... my dumb dumb head didnt have the bolt screwed all the way in like the above poster had mentioned.

sweet, to the FS section it goes!

How much? :)

ElvinWarrior
03-29-2011, 6:23 AM
I think its definately, without a doubt a Disney Munchauser...

One of the prop rifles Disney had made for the Munchkin Army for the movie "The Wizard of Oz"... This particular model, the Military Carbine model 1939-L, is especially rare and valuable. The vast majority of the Disney Munchausers were manufactured in 1939 at the Disney DreamWorks, fabrication machine shops, as was this one, however, most of the original Munchausers were serialized with an "M" Designator, not an "L" Designator, the "M" represented its role as the arm for the Munchkin Army, the "L", for those guns that were to serve a double purpose in TWO Disney productions of that year, both, the Wizard of Oz, and, serving DOUBLE DUTY as the arm used by the Liliputian Army in the Disney 1939 production of "Gullivers Travels". Both versions are exceedingly rare finds. Only three hundred million are known to exist, well, actually, only 40 were actuallly made by Disney Studios, the rest are known and identified fakes, bringing it's market value in at around $1.27 to a high of $2.34 for the model 1939-M, and a slightly higher value for the model 1939-L, comming in at around $3.05 to $5.62. I would value yours, with it's pristine stock, at around $4.87, a valuable find, Congratulations !!!

Can't be absolutely positive however, but I'm pretty sure its one of the rare originals !!!

Sincerely,

ElvinWarrior... aka... David

MAD SVT
03-29-2011, 12:13 PM
I think its definately, without a doubt a Disney Munchauser...

One of the prop rifles Disney had made for the Munchkin Army for the movie "The Wizard of Oz"... This particular model, the Military Carbine model 1939-L, is especially rare and valuable. The vast majority of the Disney Munchausers were manufactured in 1939 at the Disney DreamWorks, fabrication machine shops, as was this one, however, most of the original Munchausers were serialized with an "M" Designator, not an "L" Designator, the "M" represented its role as the arm for the Munchkin Army, the "L", for those guns that were to serve a double purpose in TWO Disney productions of that year, both, the Wizard of Oz, and, serving DOUBLE DUTY as the arm used by the Liliputian Army in the Disney 1939 production of "Gullivers Travels". Both versions are exceedingly rare finds. Only three hundred million are known to exist, well, actually, only 40 were actuallly made by Disney Studios, the rest are known and identified fakes, bringing it's market value in at around $1.27 to a high of $2.34 for the model 1939-M, and a slightly higher value for the model 1939-L, comming in at around $3.05 to $5.62. I would value yours, with it's pristine stock, at around $4.87, a valuable find, Congratulations !!!

Can't be absolutely positive however, but I'm pretty sure its one of the rare originals !!!

Sincerely,

ElvinWarrior... aka... David


:rolleyes:

thanks for the additional effort, i would normally ignore a post like that but it did make me LOL, and the fact that you took the extra time to type it up, makes me feel obligated to ackowledge it.. Thanks!

Mad Svt... aka... MAD SVT

ElvinWarrior
03-30-2011, 11:03 PM
Dear Mad,

It was intended to be in good humor, I in no way was deriding your rifle, or you, I'm glad it got a smile out of you !!!

Sincerely,

ElvinWarrior... aka... David

Vladimir
03-30-2011, 11:59 PM
You had me going there for a while Elvin