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missiontrails
10-16-2009, 12:59 PM
My wife just left town for the weekend, and my kids are in school, so I pulled out the Nikon D3 in the backyard.

CMMG Factory M4 14.5" rifle
KAC RAS Forearm
Matech BUIS
Fusil 10/30 mag
Vltor Modstock complete assembly
Vltor sling adapter end plate
Tapco SAW grip
Colt 9mm Buffer
Blue Force Gear UDC single point sling.

http://members.cox.net/dehlers/M41.jpg
http://members.cox.net/dehlers/M42.jpg
http://members.cox.net/dehlers/M43.jpg
http://members.cox.net/dehlers/M44.jpg
http://members.cox.net/dehlers/M451.jpg

1919_4_ME
10-16-2009, 1:04 PM
Very nice!
Can I ask what camera are you using? Those pictures came out very nice!!

missiontrails
10-16-2009, 1:05 PM
Very nice!
Can I ask what camera are you using? Those pictures came out very nice!!

Nikon D3, my wife's camera, she is a photographer.

ChrisO
10-16-2009, 1:05 PM
Does that stock mess with you're facial hair? haha I can't imagine putting my face on that after a couple days without shaving ouch!!!

ChrisO
10-16-2009, 1:06 PM
Oh and awesome rifle!

X-NewYawker
10-16-2009, 1:12 PM
Does that stock mess with you're facial hair? haha I can't imagine putting my face on that after a couple days without shaving ouch!!!

Yes. An LMT SOPMOD would make this the perfect AR...

OutlawDon
10-16-2009, 1:16 PM
Nice clean rifle.

Any plans to add optics or just keep it KISS-style?

missiontrails
10-16-2009, 1:18 PM
Nice clean rifle.

Any plans to add optics or just keep it KISS-style?

T1 eventually. Like irons though, escpecialy the Matech.

Harley
10-16-2009, 1:18 PM
Looks good!

missiontrails
10-16-2009, 1:19 PM
Does that stock mess with you're facial hair? haha I can't imagine putting my face on that after a couple days without shaving ouch!!!

I don't let my facial hair grow much. I love SOPMODS, but I had trouble finding the complete kit in stock. This VLTOR kit was $140 complete.

OutlawDon
10-16-2009, 1:27 PM
I don't let my facial hair grow much. I love SOPMODS, but I had trouble finding the complete kit in stock. This VLTOR kit was $140 complete.

I've owned both....keep the Vltor. It's fine for a lighter and shorter M4 style rifle since it's pretty light also. The SOPMOD is very nice, heavier, sturdy and comfy, but I feel it belongs more on a setup with a longer-barreled precision setup.

Here's my old AR in 2 different configurations...

with 16 inch barrel and Vltor...
http://healthbydon.com/ar15hrd.jpg

with 18 inch barrel and SOPMOD...
http://healthbydon.com/ar15sopmodhdr.jpg

loudninja
10-16-2009, 2:20 PM
nice balance job, a fart could knock that thing over. LOL

WeekendWarrior
10-16-2009, 2:23 PM
WWRTW

Heavy_Grinder
10-16-2009, 2:40 PM
Does that stock mess with you're facial hair? haha I can't imagine putting my face on that after a couple days without shaving ouch!!!

The modstock is a great looking/functional stock. All this talk about "pulling facial hair".......you would need to go a couple weeks without shaving for this stock to pull a puny hair off your face.

Here's my "MAN RIFLE SETUP"

btw....good looking setup u got there.:)

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/Arch_Royal/DSC00475-1.jpg

paladin4415
10-16-2009, 3:01 PM
That's a great looking rail and sight you have there. ;)











The rest is pretty sweet also.

missiontrails
10-16-2009, 3:04 PM
That's a great looking rail and sight you have there. ;)











The rest is pretty sweet also.
Yes, I buy the good stuff from "some guy."

missiontrails
10-16-2009, 3:05 PM
The modstock is a great looking/functional stock. All this talk about "pulling facial hair".......you would need to go a couple weeks without shaving for this stock to pull a puny hair off your face.

Here's my "MAN RIFLE SETUP"

btw....good looking setup u got there.:)

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/Arch_Royal/DSC00475-1.jpg

I DO like the CAS-V, but the top raised rail got me thinking a bit about optics mounts, and how many of those would line-up...

pacrimguru
10-16-2009, 4:12 PM
http://members.cox.net/dehlers/M42.jpg

now that's what i call a clean kiss build! (sorry A1/A2 guys, i'm not into the a-team old school stuff.)

technique
10-16-2009, 4:16 PM
I DO like the CAS-V, but the top raised rail got me thinking a bit about optics mounts, and how many of those would line-up...

gives you an excuse to use the cooler looking "HK" T-1 mount..

Steyrlp10
10-16-2009, 4:19 PM
Woohoo -- and nice camera. Such crisp photos!

Frijolito1988
10-16-2009, 4:28 PM
What makes this a MAN's gun.

nrakid88
10-16-2009, 4:35 PM
What makes this a MAN's gun.

No offense but im with frijolito. This is a light weight gun that with fmj ammo is only good to 100 yards.... Usually man dictates big long rifle in .308 or bigger.

paladin4415
10-16-2009, 4:39 PM
No offense but im with frijolito. This is a light weight gun that with fmj ammo is only good to 100 yards.... Usually man dictates big long rifle in .308 or bigger.

Not true...not true.
Most Zombies will always be killed inside 100 yards, and a light weight carbine is the perfect weapon for that.

NSR500
10-16-2009, 4:42 PM
Like the other guys I expected to see a .308 or larger, instead it is another poodle shooter. ;)

technique
10-16-2009, 4:45 PM
Wait...why is this only good at 100 yards?

swerv512
10-16-2009, 4:46 PM
Like the other guys I expected to see a .308 or larger, instead it is another poodle shooter. ;)

:iagree:
HA!



still purdy though...

missiontrails
10-16-2009, 5:30 PM
No offense but im with frijolito. This is a light weight gun that with fmj ammo is only good to 100 yards.... Usually man dictates big long rifle in .308 or bigger.

Honestly, with this rifle, I could care less about distances greater than 100 yards, that is a football field, that is "Zombie" land. However, are you telling me that if I lay this on a sandbag, that I will not have success at 200-250 yards? I beg to differ. If I was looking for 600 yard hits, I would re-aquire the PSG-1 that I used to own, or a doped up M1A- yes .308. Do not underestimate the M4 with 69gr ammo at good distances.

draconianruler
10-16-2009, 6:26 PM
Like the other guys I expected to see a .308 or larger, instead it is another poodle shooter. ;)

Sweet rifle.

I also don't view the 5.56 as a Man's gun. Its so tiny comapred to a .308 let alone a big caliber gun like the 50s :eek:

missiontrails
10-16-2009, 6:31 PM
Sweet rifle.

I also don't view the 5.56 as a Man's gun. Its so tiny comapred to a .308 let alone a big caliber gun like the 50s :eek:
Ok, maybe a little overboard with the "Man's" thing.... I was just bored.

sevensix2x51
10-16-2009, 6:41 PM
you guys are lame. that is a sweet gun, in the santee sun! (i can tell by the planteary alignment ;) ) a man shoots a gun, regardless of caliber. i bet half you guys have never even been to a rodeo. i got rid of my .300WM because i think .308 is effective at any range i am willing to kill. i guess that makes me a woman, right? let's actually do some shooting then......... OP's ar would kill you just as well as a .308 within 200yd... even if i dont like his KNS takedown pin idea... ;)

Okami
10-16-2009, 8:22 PM
Very nice looking carbine MT!:cheers2:

dwa
10-16-2009, 8:38 PM
No offense but im with frijolito. This is a light weight gun that with fmj ammo is only good to 100 yards.... Usually man dictates big long rifle in .308 or bigger.

how does the military qualify then?

C9X19
10-16-2009, 9:15 PM
No offense but im with frijolito. This is a light weight gun that with fmj ammo is only good to 100 yards.... Usually man dictates big long rifle in .308 or bigger.

Wanna bet on that? Better ask all the dead insurgents.....:rolleyes:

Greg-Dawg
10-16-2009, 9:16 PM
You need to shoot that more.

missiontrails
10-16-2009, 9:25 PM
You need to shoot that more.

I have pushed the first 420 rounds through it over the past 3 weeks, and I still have not cleaned it yet.

Greg-Dawg
10-16-2009, 9:29 PM
It still looks clean, go shoot it NOW!!!

pacrimguru
10-16-2009, 9:29 PM
i like this "man's gun"... it's simple, understated, and does it's job well. not everyone needs to overcompensate with a giant oversized rifle to feel like a man.

Mason McDuffie
10-16-2009, 9:30 PM
Wow, that just gave me a chubby. Congrats.

nrakid88
10-16-2009, 9:40 PM
Wait...why is this only good at 100 yards?

I am just saying its only good to 100 yards with 55gr fmjs, only good to 40 yards with 62grain fmjs. Those are the max distances the fmj round will fragment out of a 14.5 barrel. In comparison a 20 inch barrel will frag out to 200 yards with 55grain and 150 with 62grain fmj. However if you are handloading 77 grain SMK, or a 69 grain Ballistic tip, Its probably fairly lethal beyond the stated ranges.

Nice build. Some day I am going to pick up one exactly like this, just plainer straight how a 14.5 comes from CMMG. Nice build though, dont mean to talk down on it, I really love it. Is it a riot to shoot?

sevensix2x51
10-16-2009, 9:44 PM
I am just saying its only good to 100 yards with 55gr fmjs, only good to 40 yards with 62grain fmjs. Those are the max distances the fmj round will fragment out of a 14.5 barrel. In comparison a 20 inch barrel will frag out to 200 yards with 55grain and 150 with 62grain fmj. However if you are handloading 77 grain SMK, or a 69 grain Ballistic tip, Its probably fairly lethal beyond the stated ranges.

Nice build. Some day I am going to pick up one exactly like this, just plainer straight how a 14.5 comes from CMMG. Nice build though, dont mean to talk down on it, I really love it. Is it a riot to shoot?

..why do you want the projectile to fragment? i think an fmj is designed to pass through an enemy. or enter and stop. isnt that what the geneva convention is for? if you want max damage, maybe use a hp/sp...

missiontrails
10-16-2009, 9:48 PM
I am just saying its only good to 100 yards with 55gr fmjs, only good to 40 yards with 62grain fmjs. Those are the max distances the fmj round will fragment out of a 14.5 barrel. In comparison a 20 inch barrel will frag out to 200 yards with 55grain and 150 with 62grain fmj. However if you are handloading 77 grain SMK, or a 69 grain Ballistic tip, Its probably fairly lethal beyond the stated ranges.

Nice build. Some day I am going to pick up one exactly like this, just plainer straight how a 14.5 comes from CMMG. Nice build though, dont mean to talk down on it, I really love it. Is it a riot to shoot?

You lost me there. This machine makes ROUND holes in targets @300.

sevensix2x51
10-16-2009, 9:50 PM
You lost me there. This machine makes ROUND holes in targets @300.

lol. the interweb is a hell of a drug. :D

missiontrails
10-16-2009, 9:50 PM
It still looks clean, go shoot it NOW!!!
It may look clean, but it has developed "the smell." It stinks up my bag.

nrakid88
10-16-2009, 9:52 PM
..why do you want the projectile to fragment? i think an fmj is designed to pass through an enemy. or enter and stop. isnt that what the geneva convention is for? if you want max damage, maybe use a hp/sp...

WARNING- GRAPHIC LINK!

This is why you want your 5.56 round to fragment.

WARNING-GRAPHIC http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=31666

akjunkie
10-16-2009, 9:55 PM
True, 5.56 M193 or M855 IS designed to Fragment.

(going off memory here from what at read at ammo-oracle.com several years back)

The bullet leaves the barrel around 3200 FPS.
You need a minimum of 2700 FPS for FULL Fragmentation.
With a 14.5 barrel, the bullet drops below 2700 FPS around 120-150yds.

Fragmenation = 1/2 inch entrance wound > 3 inch Exit wound.

NO fragmentation = 22cal in >22 cal out.

remember Mogadishu?
3 Somali's
each took 3rd burst
3 went down
2 got up and carried the 3rd back to safety.
carbine using 62gr M855, 1:7 twist
bad combination twist, barrel length and grain = NO Fragmentation.

http://ammo.ar15.com/ammo/project/term_velocity.html

sevensix2x51
10-16-2009, 9:56 PM
WARNING- GRAPHIC LINK!

This is why you want your 5.56 round to fragment.

WARNING-GRAPHIC http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=31666

so i can hit my target in the femur? how about i hit center mass and pass through the heart/lungs/spine? i think my way works better....

akjunkie
10-16-2009, 9:58 PM
Found it, prefer the old ammo-oracle..

looks like the deleted some info.

http://ammo.ar15.com/ammo/

akjunkie
10-16-2009, 10:02 PM
so i can hit my target in the femur? how about i hit center mass and pass through the heart/lungs/spine? i think my way works better....


Maybe that was a warning shot, LOL.

nrakid88
10-16-2009, 10:03 PM
http://ammo.ar15.com/ammo/project/term_fragrange.html
on fragmentation and barrel lengths and ranges

nrakid88
10-16-2009, 10:04 PM
so i can hit my target in the femur? how about i hit center mass and pass through the heart/lungs/spine? i think my way works better....

Just imagine a center mass shot that does that. LIGHTS OUT.

sevensix2x51
10-16-2009, 10:10 PM
did you read the thread you posted? it seems that the majority have come to the agreement that the severity of the wound was due to swelling from the projectile hitting bone. that is what also made it fragment. i would never wish this type of injury on my enemies. only a swift, painless death.

akjunkie
10-16-2009, 10:12 PM
http://ammo.ar15.com/ammo/project/term_fragrange.html
on fragmentation and barrel lengths and ranges


YUP, that's the info.

Fragmentation & Bullet Construction.

http://ammo.ar15.com/ammo/project/term_2700.html

"Many people wrongly assume that any ammo loaded with a 55gr FMJ bullet is the same as M193 ammo. This is false. Unless the ammo meets M193 specs, including both muzzle velocity and bullet construction, it can not be counted on to perform like M193."

"The same applies to 62gr ammo. Not all 62gr ammo is M855/SS-109."

akjunkie
10-16-2009, 10:18 PM
did you read the thread you posted? it seems that the majority have come to the agreement that the severity of the wound was due to swelling from the projectile hitting bone. that is what also made it fragment. i would never wish this type of injury on my enemies. only a swift, painless death.


Hope this helps.

http://ammo.ar15.com/ammo/project/term_m193orm855.html


Unlike most FMJ rounds, M193 and M855's primary wounding mechanism is fragmentation. This is a good thing because without fragmentation these rounds otherwise would act like a ice pick and cause very little damage because of their small size. At the proper velocity, both M855 and M193 strike flesh and immediately begin to yaw (tumble). Contrary to rumor and popular media belief, this is not unique to these rounds. All FMJ bullets with tapered noses will tumble in flesh with enough velocity, because their center of gravity is aft of their length center--causing them to want to travel "tail first" in denser mediums (like water and tissue).

If the rounds are moving fast enough when they yaw to about 90 degrees of their original trajectory the stress on the bullet from traveling sideways through a dense medium (tissue) will overcome the structural integrity of the bullet and it will start to break up.

If the velocity is high enough this breaking up is pretty dramatic and causes equally dramatic wounds. This is because the fragments travel rapidly through the temporarily crushed tissue and tear it. Most tissue is very elastic and will stretch quite far before returning to its normal shape (this is called the temporary crush cavity) but the addition of quickly moving fragments makes permanent the cavity that might otherwise have returned after the impact and therefore creates a much larger wound.

RobG
10-16-2009, 10:24 PM
Sorry but, no "mans gun" has a bullet button and 10/30 mag. Face it, its a neutered version of a "mans gun." Don't ya just looooovvvvveeeeeee Kalifornia:thumbsup::rolleyes::mad:

nrakid88
10-16-2009, 10:25 PM
wow, you inspired me... i am pulling the trigger on my own 14.5 build

sevensix2x51
10-16-2009, 10:26 PM
but these figures are for a 1:14" barrel. what distance in ballistic gelatin would the projectile come apart with a 1:7" twist?

dot429
10-16-2009, 10:32 PM
Nice rifle! Very clean, purposeful build.

Nice pictures as well. I really like that BUIS, I need to order one of those.

I wish I could take pictures of guns in my back yard, but my neighbors called the police on us for shooting BB guns in the back yard.

If I had some ARs out there, the SWAT team and ASTRIA would probably show up. Damn LIB-Tard neighbors!!!

sevensix2x51
10-16-2009, 11:03 PM
but these figures are for a 1:14" barrel. what distance in ballistic gelatin would the projectile come apart with a 1:7" twist?

ehh, bump? hmm... i guess theres no cut/paste for that...

nrakid88
10-16-2009, 11:06 PM
in the ammo oracle it was saying that twist rates dont affect terminal ballistics, so I am guessing the differences would be negligable.

missiontrails
10-16-2009, 11:10 PM
Nice rifle! Very clean, purposeful build.

Nice pictures as well. I really like that BUIS, I need to order one of those.

I wish I could take pictures of guns in my back yard, but my neighbors called the police on us for shooting BB guns in the back yard.

If I had some ARs out there, the SWAT team and ASTRIA would probably show up. Damn LIB-Tard neighbors!!!

Hell, I shoot rabbits in my front yard, at night, about twice per week. I live in a nice neighborhood in San Carlos, and the rabbits DESTROY lawns. I have a Winchester .177 break barrel 1000fps pellet rifle, it's a loud MOFO, but the damn rabbits just fall. My older neighbors are actually on-board with me taking matters into my own hands. Could you imagine protecting your lawn with an M4, lol.....

akjunkie
10-17-2009, 12:01 AM
in the ammo oracle it was saying that twist rates dont affect terminal ballistics, so I am guessing the differences would be negligable.

Twist rate = Velocity, no?
Velocity would affect Fragmentation?

I read the ammo-oracle before getting into ARs. Based on their info...
All my ARs are 1:9 twist and i exclusively used (Lake city or Win Q3131a) M193 55gr in all of them. All other mfg/brand ammo is for plinking.

http://ammo.ar15.com/ammo/project/hist_m8552.html

The M855 round and particularly the M856 tracer round, are very long bullets and require a faster twist rate in order to be stabilized in air. Firing M855 from a 1:12-twist rifle would result in an understabilized bullet that would only fly straight for about 90 yards, then veer off as much as 30 in a random direction. In order to prevent soldiers from accidentally firing M855 in 1:12-twist rifles, M855/SS-109 was given a green-painted bullet tip. This allows M855/SS-109 to be differentiated from plain-tipped M193. M16A2s, A3s, A4s, M4s and M4A1s all have a 1:7 twist and can stabilize both M855 and M193.

DREADNOUGHT78
10-17-2009, 12:03 AM
WARNING- GRAPHIC LINK!

This is why you want your 5.56 round to fragment.

WARNING-GRAPHIC http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=31666

Hate to thread jack but most of the reason that guys leg is so swelled is because of the cutting they used to clean out all the bone fragments and lead particles out of his leg not because of a fragmenting round. They do swell from the wound but not this much.I know this first hand as I have seen what a fragmenting round does to a leg when it hits the femur and when it goes straight through the thigh. The leg with the exploded femur is twice the size of the leg with the straight through shot. Seen it first hand as my dad was shot through both legs with a semi-jacketed .357 Magnum at close range.

DREADNOUGHT78
10-17-2009, 12:04 AM
BTW, nice rifle I have damn near the same rig except I am running the LMT SOPMOD and a standard grip!

coop44
10-17-2009, 8:05 AM
where does the paintball hopper go?

just kidding, nice gun

evidens83
10-17-2009, 8:27 AM
Excellent pictures! Loving the KISS build!

mydogsmonkey
10-17-2009, 9:07 AM
you didn't build it yourself so you just got revoked of your man card :rofl:
just kidding

missiontrails
10-17-2009, 9:26 AM
you didn't build it yourself so you just got revoked of your man card :rofl:
just kidding

I have built enough to know that buying factory complete rifles is both a better value, and a better investment. So, for now on, I will buy complete and add the usual stimulus package.