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Hunt
10-14-2009, 8:47 PM
this lady is an elitist that looks to politics as a hobby, watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QFfciwRqaU

rolo
10-14-2009, 8:54 PM
Did anyone ever take her seriously as a viable candidate?

Hunt
10-18-2009, 10:52 PM
Did anyone ever take her seriously as a viable candidate?

she is llikely to be our next gov imagine RINO on steroids w/ PayPal email customer service

thatrogue
10-18-2009, 11:06 PM
With Tom campbell and this rag out for the governors office this Republican is sending money to Jerry Brown.

Hunt
10-18-2009, 11:23 PM
With Tom campbell and this rag out for the governors office this Republican is sending money to Jerry Brown.

I am thinking JB as well

BigDogatPlay
10-18-2009, 11:50 PM
Oh good grief.... she is a climate change believer. Bad enough that our current governor has been riding that bandwagon.

She showed up at the western version of CPAC the other day and apparently there was not much to say for it.

http://i37.tinypic.com/24mduf7.jpg

mmartin
10-19-2009, 12:00 AM
<sigh> and for a minute there I had hopes of a female candidate who's voice didn't make me feel an urge to go postal...

ah well.
megan

POLICESTATE
10-19-2009, 12:06 AM
We don't need some top-notch business hot shot to run the country. America is NOT a business, if anything we need to separate government from business affairs not make them more like each other.

five.five-six
10-19-2009, 12:10 AM
<sigh> and for a minute there I had hopes of a female candidate who's voice didn't make me feel an urge to go postal...

ah well.
megan

not a fan of palin?

mmartin
10-19-2009, 12:11 AM
We don't need some top-notch business hot shot to run the country. America is NOT a business, if anything we need to separate government from business affairs not make them more like each other.

not seeing much in the political hot shot department to get excited about... in fact I'm having a hard time identifying much that qualifies as top-notch there at all.

at least if you're successful in business SOMEthing must have been getting done that folks were happy with. at least you're making customers happy somewhere - enough of them to make you a success.

frankly the entire political landscape looks pretty bleak to me. nary a hero in sight.

megan

mmartin
10-19-2009, 12:16 AM
not a fan of palin?

mixed on the subject. my sister lives in wasila and knows her... says she's smart, but the more politics became important to her, the less my sister thinks of her behavior. kinda what politics does to people I think, but...

she's certainly got appeal on a broadbased level. I think she gave one of the best political speaches of the decade. I think she doesn't have the depth of experience needed... that means she'll need to rely on people around her with that experience. don't know anything about how wisely she'll choose. and I don't trust the R party at the moment, so if they're running her, instead of her running them, it's all out the window anyway.

megan

POLICESTATE
10-19-2009, 12:23 AM
not seeing much in the political hot shot department to get excited about... in fact I'm having a hard time identifying much that qualifies as top-notch there at all.

at least if you're successful in business SOMEthing must have been getting done that folks were happy with. at least you're making customers happy somewhere - enough of them to make you a success.

frankly the entire political landscape looks pretty bleak to me. nary a hero in sight.

megan


Heh, being successful in big business means being really good at screwing people over, stabbing people in the back and all sorts of screwed up stuff. These days I feel like the only thing worse that a politician is a big business man. Scum bags every one of them. But that's just my opinion :cool2:

mmartin
10-19-2009, 12:34 AM
Heh, being successful in big business means being really good at screwing people over, stabbing people in the back and all sorts of screwed up stuff. These days I feel like the only thing worse that a politician is a big business man. Scum bags every one of them. But that's just my opinion :cool2:

dude, you're even more cynical than I am... I recommend 8 hours sleep and a nice breakfast.

I'm not a fan of big companies in general, however, there's an entrepreneurial spirit and way of doing that takes a startup and makes it into a major company... I've been involved in a couple of those, and I can say it's not about screwing people over. it's about making a product that brilliantly fills an unmet need, and that means the customer rules.

I was hoping Meg fit that model. maybe she does, but there's so much else going against her that it doesn't really matter anyway.

megan

1923mack
10-19-2009, 7:42 AM
From Major of Wazilla to Governor, and could not even finish that term. Not much experience. Thought Meg might offer something, but her politics negate any good from her businessl background.

bubbapug1
10-19-2009, 8:25 AM
You don't need to screw anyone to be successful in business.. Maybe that applies to professions such as contracting where you have no real product other than capabilities from day to day. But if you have a good product you will succeed and ebay at one time was way ahead of the curve on delivering a good service. Now they are just an also run...the fun of auctions is out of the game.

As to Meg Whitman, she is a hobbiest when it comes to politics and decidedly anti gun, anti oil, and pro any other liberal cause..

Arnie would be a better choice, but really....politicans are like pieces in a cess pool, the larger ones rise to the top..

cdtx2001
10-19-2009, 8:37 AM
Ya gotta love Meg's BS radio commercials...

"Helped start thousands of jobs around the world..." A guy in Bangladesh with an ebay business in his shack doesn't count.

"Wants to get people employed in California..." Yet wants to fire 40k state employees. What are these people going to do for a job, Meg?

BigDogatPlay
10-19-2009, 9:31 AM
"Wants to get people employed in California..." Yet wants to fire 40k state employees. What are these people going to do for a job, Meg?

Sell stuff on an Ebay store from their shack in West Sacramento?

chuckdc
10-19-2009, 9:32 AM
and could not even finish that term. .
Could you have finished that term, having to spend half a million dollars on legal fees, when you (and any spousal unit) are only making 200K a year combined? Considering you still have a mortgage and normal bills to pay also? Note that she was not allowed to do the speaking tour thing to make money as governor.

Kinda getting tired of that "quitter" meme that has been so carefully constructed. The Dems up there played a good game up there, using BS ethics charges to set up either a resignation or a bankruptcy. Either one would be great ammo to use in a campaign.

dfletcher
10-19-2009, 9:52 AM
Just curious - why the heck is Meg Whitman even registered or running as a Republican?

POLICESTATE
10-19-2009, 10:12 AM
dude, you're even more cynical than I am... I recommend 8 hours sleep and a nice breakfast.

I'm not a fan of big companies in general, however, there's an entrepreneurial spirit and way of doing that takes a startup and makes it into a major company... I've been involved in a couple of those, and I can say it's not about screwing people over. it's about making a product that brilliantly fills an unmet need, and that means the customer rules.

I was hoping Meg fit that model. maybe she does, but there's so much else going against her that it doesn't really matter anyway.

megan

I don't know how cynical you are, I do know I am very cynical, or so people tell me. However I consider most "regular" folks to be quite naive so I certainly don't put much stock into their opinions on my level of cynicism, or anything else for that matter :)

Now to your other point. Hey I agree with you, start ups are great! However once they become a big company they are no longer a start up, and then the scum bag big shots and their cronies start showing up. Sooner or later it always happens.

And then all the backstabbing, throwing people under the bus, all that crap starts. It starts at the top, they lead by example, and their underlings follow suit. I have seen this many times myself, and I have many friends who complain about the same crap at their companies both past and present.

We got a guy here at my current outfit, big mouth, says he can fix all this crap, always talks over people, or for them. BUT when he can't deliver (like recently) he starts throwing other people under the bus. And then there was the company meeting a week ago, CEO sits here and blames out lackluster performance on EVERYTHING other than the fact the product just isn't that great. Oh and the marketing sucked too, but he could hardly call any attention to it being our fault, no it's the economy, or some of the companies we work with. Always their fault. Then even more ridiculous, he talks about how we are going to improve our next product, bringing up all the issues we had with the last one. LOL. Looking around the room, nearly everyone just has this dumb expression like they don't understand the larger monologue, just what is going in one ear and out the other.

I'm surprised they didn't all go "bbaaaahhh baaahhhh" on their way out the door after the meeting. It makes me sick! I work my *** off, I take responsibility for the things I am responsible for, I understand what ownership is and what it is not. Most of these other people don't have a clue, they can't even have a regular conversation face to face, only through text messages. Pathetic. I guess I'm part of a dying breed. My current company has over 250 people in it btw, so it's not some rinky dink outfit with a few eccentric people. I'd say at least 90% of the people here are professionally deficient in at least one or two ways, nearly all of them in communication.

I'm not cynical, I'm a realist. And my friends recount similar experiences in other companies. Like Erricson, Nvidia and Intel to name a few. Some past companies that had similar experiences: SGI, go.com, AMD, Creative Labs

They all started out great, then turned to crap when they started hiring crap.

Meg Whitman, maybe she is a good entrepreneur who is good at making a good product and building things.

But government is not a product. We need a leader, not a business leader. I think when it comes to fixing our economy we need a restructuring guru/hatchet man. We had one of those come in at our last company, he saved us from going out of business and managed to turn things around so a new CEO could build it up again. Yeah we lost like 80% of our staff, but most of them needed to go anyway.

We need THAT for California.

Now that I think about it, we should look that guy up. Curtis Solsvig I think it was. Lousy personality but GREAT results.

greasemonkey
10-19-2009, 11:02 AM
CA needs the Bobs from Office Space!!

mmartin
10-19-2009, 11:07 AM
Just curious - why the heck is Meg Whitman even registered or running as a Republican?

don't know, and haven't heard anything offered as a reason. but I'm guessing that it's because that where she thinks she can win.

megan

Glock22Fan
10-19-2009, 11:29 AM
From Major of Wazilla to Governor, and could not even finish that term. Not much experience. Thought Meg might offer something, but her politics negate any good from her businessl background.


Well, I seem to remember that having a few years of community organizing and, I believe, a total of 14 days actually turning up in the Senate, is thought by some to be enough experience to be POTUS.

FastFinger
10-19-2009, 12:03 PM
Ya gotta love Meg's BS radio commercials...

"Helped start thousands of jobs around the world..." A guy in Bangladesh with an ebay business in his shack doesn't count.

"Wants to get people employed in California..." Yet wants to fire 40k state employees. What are these people going to do for a job, Meg?

Get a real job?

I'd much rather pay their unemployment benefits than their full time state salary plus all their over the top benefits.

"But how can the state run without them?" That all depend on the leadership. I'm of the mind that we could easily lose 20% of state employees and properly done it wouldn't have a negative impact. We could probably cut another 10% of services all together.

Glock22Fan
10-19-2009, 1:01 PM
Get a real job?

I'd much rather pay their unemployment benefits than their full time state salary plus all their over the top benefits.

"But how can the state run without them?" That all depend on the leadership. I'm of the mind that we could easily lose 20% of state employees and properly done it wouldn't have a negative impact. We could probably cut another 10% of services all together.

Reminds me somewhat of the Labour Party (socialist) British Prime Minister, Harold Wilson. By the end of his reign, there were three times as many people on the government payroll than there were at the start. Naturally, none of them could be fired afterwards as they had fantastic job security and benefits. I don't recall that government services were three times better, and they certainly weren't delivered three times faster, than at the star of his reign.

thatrogue
10-19-2009, 2:36 PM
We don't need some top-notch business hot shot to run the country. America is NOT a business, if anything we need to separate government from business affairs not make them more like each other.

ya... wasn't it Stalin that said something like...fascism is the perfect marriage of big biz and big government. We have been heading that way for a long time. Both side promote it. One side claims business needs to be reigned in but only signs bills that effect small biz, and the other side claims to look out for all biz but seems to only do things that target and favor big biz.

POLICESTATE
10-19-2009, 4:01 PM
ya... wasn't it Stalin that said something like...fascism is the perfect marriage of big biz and big government. We have been heading that way for a long time. Both side promote it. One side claims business needs to be reigned in but only signs bills that effect small biz, and the other side claims to look out for all biz but seems to only do things that target and favor big biz.

Yuck Stalin said that? Well just goes to show that even a broken clock can be right twice a day!

CalNRA
10-19-2009, 8:29 PM
mixed on the subject. my sister lives in wasila and knows her... says she's smart, but the more politics became important to her, the less my sister thinks of her behavior. kinda what politics does to people I think, but...

news flash: politicians are not nice people.

she's certainly got appeal on a broadbased level. I think she gave one of the best political speaches of the decade. I think she doesn't have the depth of experience needed... that means she'll need to rely on people around her with that experience. don't know anything about how wisely she'll choose. and I don't trust the R party at the moment, so if they're running her, instead of her running them, it's all out the window anyway.
megan


now, replace "she" with "he", "her" with "him", and "R" with "D", what do we have?

tube_ee
10-19-2009, 9:18 PM
Yuck Stalin said that? Well just goes to show that even a broken clock can be right twice a day!

Mussolini, actually.

And he meant it to be taken as a good, rather than an evil.

--Shannon

Meplat
10-20-2009, 1:39 AM
I didn't know Wazilla had a major.:p But I do know the major problem with most candidates is they have too much experience. There is not an "experienced" politician in this country that is worth a pimple on Sara Palin's butt. :43:




From Major of Wazilla to Governor, and could not even finish that term. Not much experience. Thought Meg might offer something, but her politics negate any good from her businessl background.

Meplat
10-20-2009, 2:23 AM
For your information we don't have unemployment benefits. When you talk about over the top benefits you must be talking about the prison guards & CHP. The rest of us have mediocre benefits. Adjusted for inflation my real salary is just over 70% of what it was 20 years ago. On top of that the "furlough " program amounts to a 15% cut, that gets it down to about 55%. I can't make ends meet and am going into my savings every month to stay afloat.

I do a technical, professional, job and have over 25 years of experience. What I do is important to me and I do it well. It's not a job just anyone can do. I could make twice as much in the private sector, I don't want to quit but I may have to for the sake of myself and my family. So.

Kiss my donkey

:43:



Get a real job?

I'd much rather pay their unemployment benefits than their full time state salary plus all their over the top benefits.

"But how can the state run without them?" That all depend on the leadership. I'm of the mind that we could easily lose 20% of state employees and properly done it wouldn't have a negative impact. We could probably cut another 10% of services all together.

greasemonkey
10-20-2009, 8:34 AM
From Major of Wazilla to Governor, and could not even finish that term. Not much experience. Thought Meg might offer something, but her politics negate any good from her businessl background.

And why was it that she didn't finish her term? Oh yeah, because a bunch of idiots from all over the country kept hitting her with frivolous lawsuits and she felt it was a waste of taxpayer's money and time for her to sit as governor and deal with all of that B.S. What a shame, a politician that was concerned about wasting taxpayers' money:rolleyes: Clearly she should have just toured the country on Alaska's dime, going to meaningless court hearings and spending ominous volumes of State money on legal defense teams, then at least she could keep her prestigious title:rolleyes:

tallic68
10-20-2009, 10:07 PM
For your information we don't have unemployment benefits. When you talk about over the top benefits you must be talking about the prison guards & CHP. The rest of us have mediocre benefits. Adjusted for inflation my real salary is just over 70% of what it was 20 years ago. On top of that the "furlough " program amounts to a 15% cut, that gets it down to about 55%. I can't make ends meet and am going into my savings every month to stay afloat.

I do a technical, professional, job and have over 25 years of experience. What I do is important to me and I do it well. It's not a job just anyone can do. I could make twice as much in the private sector, I don't want to quit but I may have to for the sake of myself and my family. So.


Kiss my donkey






Thank you Meplat. Only a few of the state jobs have the salary, pension and benefits the media all complain about (CHP Corrections) making all state employees sound like leeches. The last time I got a raise, it was because state minimum wage went up and I was going to be under it.

mattja
10-21-2009, 1:20 AM
"Wants to get people employed in California..." Yet wants to fire 40k state employees. What are these people going to do for a job, Meg?

They can't work in the private sector like everyone else?

artherd
10-21-2009, 2:21 AM
Heh, being successful in big business means being really good at screwing people over, stabbing people in the back and all sorts of screwed up stuff.

Categorically untrue.

greasemonkey
10-21-2009, 6:42 AM
Heh, being successful in big business means being really good at screwing people over, stabbing people in the back and all sorts of screwed up stuff. These days I feel like the only thing worse that a politician is a big business man. Scum bags every one of them. But that's just my opinion :cool2:

What do you base that off of?! If you want to lump an industry as evil, you'd be more accurate to go after salesmen or loan agents but even at that, "a lot" are bad would be more accurate than "most"; but definitely not "every one".