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coltn46920
10-14-2009, 6:04 PM
Is a bolt action rifle needed in every firearm's enthusiast collection? Or would a 20" ar 15 barrel suffice? Im thinking of getting a remington 700 in .223. Ideally I was thinking of one in .308 but the price of ammo is what's holding me back.

What about a mosin nagant. There cheap and maybe that would better help, me make a decision. Whats your opinion on bolt action rifles?

Army GI
10-14-2009, 7:01 PM
In my humble opinion, a bolt action is essential to round out any rifle collection. From a historical standpoint, the bolt action is the design that catalyzed the transition from single shot, large caliber, black powder rifles to magazine fed, high power, smokeless powder, high velocity rifles. The last black powder rifle used by the US Army was replaced by the 1892 Krag Jorgensen bolt action rifle in the new "small caliber" .30-40.

I'd get a Mosin-Nagant. Where else can you buy such a cool peace of military history for $79? Coincidentally, the Mosin was invented right around the same time as the Krag - early 1890's. We silly Americans were still fiddling around with lever actions and black powder:p

That's my opinion, anyway. SO get a bolt:p

Crusader
10-14-2009, 7:02 PM
In my opinion, every self-respecting shooter and gun owner should posess at least one good bolt action rifle. A hunting/target rifle would be best, but I'll admit that my only bolt action is a German Kar98k.

P.S.
If I were you, I would choose .308 for a bolt rifle. Otherwise you might as well stick with just the AR.

tango5
10-14-2009, 7:28 PM
My bolt guns are what i use for long range and precision shooting. The semi autos like my AR are for fun shooting, accurate, but not as accurate as my Remington 700SPS Tactical .308. I think every gun owner should own a bolt gun, an SA gun, shotgun, and a pistol. Kinda rounds your bases, lol.

Richie Caketown
10-14-2009, 7:29 PM
get an SPR

jmf_tracy
10-14-2009, 7:40 PM
IMO you need a scoped .308 bolt action rifle and a 16" barrel M4GERY. don'y worry about the price of .308 ammo, you don't burn thru it like an AR-15. you can get a .223 bolt or a 20" ar-15, but IMO those would not be the best choices. YMMV.

Scratch705
10-14-2009, 7:50 PM
IMO you need a scoped .308 bolt action rifle and a 16" barrel M4GERY. don'y worry about the price of .308 ammo, you don't burn thru it like an AR-15. you can get a .223 bolt or a 20" ar-15, but IMO those would not be the best choices. YMMV.

yep, bolt action slows down your shooting so ammo costs isn't too big of a concern.

that is unless you just go crazy and just try to speed fire, but you will still be limited to about 5 rounds (unless you get a external magazine bolt gun).

i still haven't reached 100 rounds and that is with two all day outings. but of course i also had other guns to fire so that can attribute to low round count.

rg_1111@yahoo.com
10-14-2009, 7:50 PM
Like Crusader said get a .308 bolt action. You can shoot target or hunt with a .308

Justintoxicated
10-14-2009, 7:58 PM
Get a 10" 308 AR and stick to one ?

Milsurp Collector
10-14-2009, 10:19 PM
Bolt actions are

Fast:
Lee Enfield No. 4, 10 shots in 11 seconds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV5pSUlBz18

Accurate:
Schmidt-Rubin K31, 640 yds with iron sights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsomougcK6E

Fun:
Mosin Nagant fireballs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlRG-AfaDac

Inexpensive:
http://ioinc.us/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IO&Product_Code=MOSI0030&Category_Code=Long+Guns
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/SearchResults.asp?SearchType=0&Keywords=enfield+no%2E4&MinPrice=160&MaxPrice=300
http://www.militarygunsupply.com/shop2/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=14_17&products_id=209

http://www.empirearms.com/boltaction.jpg

:)

coop44
10-15-2009, 9:38 AM
I have a remington 700 varmit in 223, a mini14 in 223, still building an ar in 556.
they all have their place/uses
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMAG00105.JPG
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMAG0016.JPG
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMAG00028.JPG

sevensix2x51
10-15-2009, 9:52 AM
i would highly recommend at least 1 bolt gun in .30. I have a savage 10 in .308, and a 1903-a3. Both are great rifles. Ill reserve my comments about nagants, as lots of folks love them. But make sure you inspect it reeeaally well before you buy one. Imho, the 1903 is the relic bolt gun to get. They go cheap on this board, as far as ive seen in my short time here.

Army GI
10-15-2009, 10:47 AM
i would highly recommend at least 1 bolt gun in .30. I have a savage 10 in .308, and a 1903-a3. Both are great rifles. Ill reserve my comments about nagants, as lots of folks love them. But make sure you inspect it reeeaally well before you buy one. Imho, the 1903 is the relic bolt gun to get. They go cheap on this board, as far as ive seen in my short time here.

I don't love the Nagant, I just think it's a great value for $79. I got a handpicked one from J&G Sales.com with a really clean stock, excellent barrel, and matching bolt/receiver. It has also been arsenal refinished so it's quite possible that it sat around in an armory with not too much wear and tear over the years. Plus when you drop a match trigger into it, it'll group right there with a good 03 Springfield. Probably not as good as a finely tuned M1 Garand though.

IMHO, I would rather shoot the hell out of the inexpensive and replaceable Mosin and burn through surplus ammo which is widely available than burn up my M1903 Mk.1