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socalgunrunner
10-13-2009, 9:36 PM
Since there have been more negative comments directed towards Arnold Schwarzenegger than anything else these past couple of days, I thought it would be interesting to see how many Calguns members helped vote him into office after the Gray Davis recall in 2003.

Since voting is a confidential matter, there may be some people who choose not to disclose this information. That is completely understandable. I myself have no problem in stating that I voted for Tom McClintock. (The poll that I added to this post is anonymous by the way.)

The point I'm trying to make is that the vast majority of the voters in CA elected an actor/former body builder with no previous political experience to the highest office in state government. In hind sight it sounds rather ridiculous, now doesn't it? So who do we really have to blame for the mess that this state is in?

gucci pilot
10-13-2009, 9:47 PM
Ok, blame me. I voted for that douchebag via absentee ballot when I was in the middle east. What was the alternative? Bustamante? Look, we live in California. Get real. I remember getting podcasts from Tom Sullivan when he was at KFBK-Sacramento giving us the real score. Our current governor is a joke but, unfortunately, was the only choice. Where's Mr McClintock been for the last 3 years? I don't know.

I wish Mr. McClintock the best. I can't believe I'm typing this, but, I think JB may be our best option.

chuckles48
10-13-2009, 10:00 PM
Since there have been more negative comments directed towards Arnold Schwarzenegger than anything else these past couple of days, I thought it would be interesting to see how many Calguns members helped vote him into office after the Gray Davis recall in 2003.

Since voting is a confidential matter, there may be some people who choose not to disclose this information. That is completely understandable. I myself have no problem in stating that I voted for Tom McClintock. (The poll that I added to this post is anonymous by the way.)

The point I'm trying to make is that the vast majority of the voters in CA elected an actor/former body builder with no previous political experience to the highest office in state government. In hind sight it sounds rather ridiculous, now doesn't it? So who do we really have to blame for the mess that this state is in?

Had this discussion over on Baen's Bar during the election. A lot of the more conservative folks were beating the Tom McClintock drum, and I pointed out that he'd place 3rd, overall, with Arnie (a R moderate) beating Bustamante in the 1-2.

The reality is, however much you might _want_ a conservative, with the electorate the way it is, you aren't going to _get_ a conservative elected, not to a statewide office. Jesuchristo, people. Look at the elections for the last _three_ cycles. Every statewide office, every time. Put a conservative up, and he gets trounced. Put a moderate up, and s/he's got a fighting chance. Put a moderate R up against a liberal, and the R will win every time.

right now my dream candidate is a moderate, pro-gun, fiscally conservative Republican. _That_ would be a nearly unbeatable combination.

wilit
10-13-2009, 10:01 PM
I voted for Mary Carey. :D

Legasat
10-13-2009, 10:02 PM
My fault. I voted for him. And fiscally, he started out pretty well. But ever since his smorgasboard of bills he put out to the people got shot down, he has just been caving in to the extreme left.

What a waste...

thedrickel
10-13-2009, 10:02 PM
I voted for Larry Flynt.

Josh3239
10-13-2009, 10:04 PM
The similiarites between Obama and Schwartzenegger going into the election and currently are quite interesting if you ask me. I don't believe I was old enough to vote but I do remember trying to talk people out of voting anyone who wasn't McClintock. Even my democrat mom voted McClintock. No one else up there was qualified for the job.

Midtown Gunner
10-13-2009, 10:14 PM
The point I'm trying to make is that the vast majority of the voters in CA elected an actor/former body builder with no previous political experience to the highest office in state government. In hind sight it sounds rather ridiculous, now doesn't it?

Most of this would apply to Ronald Reagan, too.

Doheny
10-13-2009, 10:15 PM
You need to add "Don't Remember".

nk-1911
10-13-2009, 10:21 PM
I voted for Tom McClintock.

spitkiss
10-13-2009, 10:22 PM
seemed like a good idea at the time

jakemccoy
10-13-2009, 10:24 PM
Americans are taught, from a young age, to trust entertainers...

"Go sit on Santa's lap."

"Here, Mickey Mouse, hold my daughter while I take a pic."

Arnold was Santa Claus, basically. Do you still believe in Santa?

chickenfried
10-13-2009, 11:06 PM
Voted for Tom McClintock. If all the people that voted for arnie because mcclintock couldn't win, voted for the candidate they wanted....Oh well if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry christmas.

bigstick61
10-13-2009, 11:32 PM
McClintock would have won if Arnold had stayed out of it. I really don't think Bustamante had a shot. That said I supported McClintock and tried to convince others to vote for him, often to no avail, but in the end I couldn't do more, since I was not yet old enough to vote.

andrewj
10-13-2009, 11:54 PM
I wasn't old enough to vote

bwiese
10-14-2009, 12:07 AM
McClintock would have won if Arnold had stayed out of it. I really don't think Bustamante had a shot. That said I supported McClintock and tried to convince others to vote for him, often to no avail, but in the end I couldn't do more, since I was not yet old enough to vote.

Bustamente did very well. Arnold took some votes from him, something no other Republican could do.

I reviewed the numbers several years ago and even posted an analysis on here (prob hard to search for that far back) on vote breakdown.

If it were Tom McC, Bustamente would've won easily.

Tom McC hae the whole CA Republican party baggage (pro-life, gay bashing, etc.) hanging from him which kills his chances.

Voted for Tom McClintock. If all the people that voted for arnie because mcclintock couldn't win, voted for the candidate they wanted...

Tom had a nice handy statement. Unfortunately it's not true. If all the I-really-wanted-Tom McC votes that went to Arnold went back to Tom McC and there were no Arnold, a significant and much larger chunk of those once-Arnold votes would return to Dems/Bustamente. Arnold got quite a bit of novelty vote plus "I'm not your usual boring Republican" stance.

TheBundo
10-14-2009, 1:58 AM
Mary Carey should have won, or Gary Coleman. I didn't vote in that election, though could have voted for Mary or Gary. I thought the whole situation in CA was becoming a joke.

And seriously, what were the choices? All pretty bad. As long as people idolize people like Arnie, we are screwed. I've seen maybe 2 of his movies, and I'm 50, and I can't remember what they were (I never saw Terminator, etc.). I think they are largley dumb movies, and I think the same of Rambo and all that crap. Anything that isn't realistic, or realisticly possible, is a waste of time. I'll watch History, Discovery, Poker, anything but that fantasy stuff. The only fantasy movies I like are things like "It's a Wonderful Life", etc. I think 95% of modern movies are crap. I love "A Night to Remember" about the Titanic, but can't get through "Titanic".

Some of you folks that like "old fashioned values" when it comes to gun rights need to realize that it's incompatible with giving tacit, or complicent, consent, to "new fashioned values", which I shouldn't name here.

"New fashioned values" aren't values at all. If we subscribe to those, we are screwed anyway. They aren't "values", they are the lack thereof.

That is what our opponents are trying to get us to do, give up rights for pleasures.

ErikTheRed
10-14-2009, 3:06 AM
There are exactly (and only) THREE REASONS why a conservative will never again be elected Governor of California. Those reasons are:

1. Abortion.

2. Gays.

3. Environment.


Too many social liberals in California, and these three subjects will decide the outcome everytime. Economy? Taxes? Security? Education? Jobs? Industry? Agriculture? Water? Crime? Constitution? None of that matters.

KylaGWolf
10-14-2009, 6:13 AM
Since there have been more negative comments directed towards Arnold Schwarzenegger than anything else these past couple of days, I thought it would be interesting to see how many Calguns members helped vote him into office after the Gray Davis recall in 2003.

Since voting is a confidential matter, there may be some people who choose not to disclose this information. That is completely understandable. I myself have no problem in stating that I voted for Tom McClintock. (The poll that I added to this post is anonymous by the way.)

The point I'm trying to make is that the vast majority of the voters in CA elected an actor/former body builder with no previous political experience to the highest office in state government. In hind sight it sounds rather ridiculous, now doesn't it? So who do we really have to blame for the mess that this state is in?

Not any more crazy when the same state put Ronnie into the state house and later the white house. And this state was already in a mess LONG BEFORE we voted in the last governor. Lets face it this state has had issues for many years. I think now people are just waking up to it. Or at least willing to comment on it. And lets also admit that the whole list that people had to choose from when it came to the recall was a bit long. If I remember right wasn't it something like 150 candidates to choose from. And some of the choices that were on there were a bit odd. I mean come on can you honestly picture Larry Flint in the office of the governor? Lets just hope when the time comes again that we vote for a new leader for this state we get one that has the qualifications and skill and the smarts to do what is right for CA and not one that just does what the puppet masters tell them to do.

KylaGWolf
10-14-2009, 6:17 AM
Americans are taught, from a young age, to trust entertainers...

"Go sit on Santa's lap."

"Here, Mickey Mouse, hold my daughter while I take a pic."

Arnold was Santa Claus, basically. Do you still believe in Santa?

lol Yes cause my mom had a rule if you don't believe you don't receive. So yes I believe in Santa even if I know its just my mom and step-dad :D

KylaGWolf
10-14-2009, 6:29 AM
There are exactly (and only) THREE REASONS why a conservative will never again be elected Governor of California. Those reasons are:

1. Abortion.

2. Gays.

3. Environment.


Too many social liberals in California, and these three subjects will decide the outcome everytime. Economy? Taxes? Security? Education? Jobs? Industry? Agriculture? Water? Crime? Constitution? None of that matters.


I am a conservative that cares about those three issues you list but not like most conservatives. Then again maybe it is because I have a brother that is gay and good friends that are gay, lesbian and even a few transgenders that I think they should be treated fairly and equally, as for abortion I think that it is the woman's right to choose and no other. As to the environment while I am not one to say hug a tree why waste something if you don't have to. Besides recycling aluminum puts a little money back in to my pocket and right now that is a good thing. All those other things you list I care about those too. I was on several committees that dealt with education issues. I also care about taxes, jobs (been looking for one for almost a year now) and water as well as the others you mentioned. I think part of the problem that the republican party has is that they are too busy looking at only part of what their voting base is and ignoring and alienating the rest. The government would be much better served if those that are elected do what is good for the people instead of what party line bosses say should be done.

sholling
10-14-2009, 8:41 AM
Citizens worked hard to oust Davis and replace him with a conservative only to see Arnold come charging in and hijack the election. The knock on McClintock was that he is and was a religious fanatic that was more interested in fighting abortion than balancing the budget. I voted for him but no matter where you stand on the subject - no fanatical anti-abortion candidate has a snowball's chance of getting elected in California. Arnold was supposed to be the pro choice fiscal conservative. Who knew that he was a castrati?

BTW Arnold actually did a pretty good job until the reform special election. Arnold couldn't make up his mind to support the proposals until he became more of a liability than a help. The teachers' union had spent tens of millions of dollars on a year long ad campaign painting Arnold as evil. Once he joined the effort (barely halfheartedly) the unions and the media spent $100 million making the vote all about Arnold and how evil he was. He never grew a pair back.

nat
10-14-2009, 8:47 AM
I was against the recall in the first place, I didn't think it would help at all. I guess I was right.

In the end I voted Mary Carey :D

CALPsidewinder
10-14-2009, 9:12 AM
Didn't vote for governor in that election - I abstained. Since I am a Libertarian I won't vote for the lesser of two, three or more evils. If you are not pro bill of rights then I won't vote for you. If you are not pro-choice I won't vote for you and if you are not pro keep your nose out of other peoples business I won't vote for you...so that excludes most of the canidates that Calif usually has running for offices.

Legasat
10-14-2009, 9:27 AM
Let's not forget who paid for the recall of Gov Davis. I really thought he would become Gov, and I think he did too.

My Congressman Darrell Issa coughed up almost $2M out of his own pocket for the recall of Davis. He funded and organized a lot of the people that led the charge. He was going to run, until Arnold jumped in. He would have been a great Gov, just like he is a great Congressman!

Kid Stanislaus
10-14-2009, 9:41 AM
Arnold rode into office with his good looks and popularity as an entertainer.

Mikeb
10-14-2009, 10:10 AM
Yeah I'm guilty. But at the time I thought ousting Gray Davis was an important issue. I still do. He thought he could ride his governors job into national politics. I was happy to do anything to squash his aspirations. Was it worth it? Yes. Could Arny have done a better job? Ok he could have vetoed the ammo bill but this state was bankrupt before he got in. Till the income equals the outgo ($) the Repo man is right outside the door. The democrats think they can just "eat the rich" but when they are gone they will have to eat their children.
take care
Mike

mtptwo
10-14-2009, 10:27 AM
I voted for McClintock. He was the only one that actually answered questions during the debates.

Glock22Fan
10-14-2009, 10:28 AM
I voted for Tom. I was really, really upset when Arnie butted in, because it was obvious what would happen (and it did and it has).

Was Tom the best theoretical candidate? Who knows, but I get his emails and what he says on most subjects makes sense to me. BTW, being basically an atheist (closer to Zen Bhuddism than anything else) I am not supporting him on religious grounds.

gregorylucas
10-14-2009, 10:32 AM
I voted for Arnold and now as of Monday I truly regret it but on the other had Tom C had no real chances of winning. Cruz B would have been another Gray Davis in my mind.

So the conclusion is that in California we have fight for gun rights mostly alone and hope for favorable court action.

Greg

rolo
10-14-2009, 10:37 AM
I have had the chance to speak with Gray Davis and I believe he thought he was doing the best he could with what he had, regardless of the merits of that belief. Cruz Bustamonte is a cad. He is interested in one thing, Cruz Bustamonte. He wouldn't have been a Gray Davis, he would have been a Rod Blagojevich, motivated only by self-interest.

bomb_on_bus
10-14-2009, 10:41 AM
Marey Carey got my vote, if I wanted someone in office to screw me over something it would have been her.

PEBKAC
10-14-2009, 10:44 AM
Don't blame me, I voted for zombie Joseph Beuys. :D




Kidding, I think I was about a couple years to young to vote in that election. ;)

bomb_on_bus
10-14-2009, 11:02 AM
Gary Davis was the biggest tool in the friggin tool shed. He was in the big Union pocket the whole time building power plants to get union votes during the "brownouts". Simply put CA wasnt buying enough power to justify the increase in rates and he saw this as an opprotunity to get some votes his way for a second term. Well we have a bunch more power plants and we still are buying more power out of state then we did 10 years ago. It costs CA more money to make power in CA then in Canada or any neighboring state who doesn't have all the "environmental regulations" that CA has.

I think the only reason that arnold ever got the vote was he had less political connections then some of the other candidates and being married to that schriver wierdo.

When all the celebreties ran for office in CA I thought to myself that this country isn't taking politics seriously anymore when we have the terminator, a porn star, a washed up midget actor, and a "entertainer" running against people who at least have some idea of how to run a state.

radioman
10-14-2009, 11:57 AM
I voted for Tom McClintock.

So did I, the recall was the most dip s**t thing ever, good work to all that helped put that though. with your help we turned a small pit into a deep hole, so the next you go to the dmv enjoy your good work, and five dollar toll booths, cool. oh, and old people who's checks get cut so all they can eat is dog food, good work.

Mikeb
10-14-2009, 12:56 PM
So did I, the recall was the most dip s**t thing ever, good work to all that helped put that though. with your help we turned a small pit into a deep hole, so the next you go to the dmv enjoy your good work, and five dollar toll booths, cool. oh, and old people who's checks get cut so all they can eat is dog food, good work.


I want to make sure I understand what you are saying. Recalling Gray Davis moved us from a small pit to a big hole?
OK I thought the hole was dug then. Just more evident now since more people have fallen into it.
Mike

ZRX61
10-14-2009, 12:57 PM
Like the majority of US politicians, Arnold was mostly elected by morons who vote on one issue only & don't even know or care where the candidate stands on all the other issues...

& until the majity of voters pull their collective heads out of the keesters, the US will continute to elect a seemingly never ending series of useless muppets.

bigstick61
10-14-2009, 3:23 PM
Like the majority of US politicians, Arnold was mostly elected by morons who vote on one issue only & don't even know or care where the candidate stands on all the other issues...

& until the majity of voters pull their collective heads out of the keesters, the US will continute to elect a seemingly never ending series of useless muppets.

It will never happen. Why do you think the founders were mostly opposed to democracy, to include universal suffrage? Becuase this is the inevitable result. It is simply in our nature. That's why there are supposed to be institutional checks against the people as well as qualifications for the privilige of enfranchisement above that of simply being an adult citizen, at least that's how the original system worked. Democracy can only have a chance at functioning if the electorate is quite virtuous, well above what can be expected in reality.

Springfield45
10-14-2009, 3:34 PM
I admit I voted for him during the recall election. But the real question should be who voted for him for re-election? He had his chance during his first term but proved to be nothing but hot air and not conservative by any means. So who voted for him twice? FOOL ME ONCE SHAME ON YOU, FOOL ME TWICE SHAME ON ME.

technique
10-14-2009, 3:39 PM
Bill Wiese for President!!!! Oh wait, wrong thread....:shifty:

FeuerFrei
10-14-2009, 3:41 PM
I am glad to say that I never voted for this "plumber's helper"!
He'll never be back.
I'd vote for McClintock again if he runs.

Mstrty
10-14-2009, 4:10 PM
seemed like a good idea at the time

Oops... (head down turning and walking away mumbling I wont make that mistake again)

1JimMarch
10-14-2009, 4:28 PM
Guys, as screwball as Arnie is, the guy that put him into office went by the strange name "Gray". Last name Davis.

Sigh.

OK, remember, I was a lobbyist for CCRKBA during the late Davis and early Arnie periods. I can tell you for a FACT, it was impossible to see Davis' staff without bringing buckets of money (which neither I nor CCRKBA had or tried to bring). With Arnie, it was a whole 'nuther world. We could talk to his staff, deliver at least short opinion papers and expect them to get looked at.

The guy would at least listen.

By late 2003 and early 2004, I was becoming known as an election integrity activist on the side, and when some election-related bills came to Arnie's desk including a good one by DON PERATA of all people, Arnie's staff called me and asked my opinion. And I gave it honestly, praising a Perata bill while they knew full well my opinion of Perata on the RKBA/CCW side :).

I'm telling you, by the standards of CALIFORNIA politicians, Arnie is fairly cool. Doesn't have a basic moral compass of course, by any rational standards he's a weirdo and a hypocrite, but...by GOD he's a better excuse for a human being than Davis ever was.

bigcalidave
10-14-2009, 4:35 PM
I didn't vote for arnold but I didn't think it would be anywhere near as bad as it has become under his rule. I actually thought it would be pretty cool... oops

radioman
10-14-2009, 5:28 PM
I want to make sure I understand what you are saying. Recalling Gray Davis moved us from a small pit to a big hole?
OK I thought the hole was dug then. Just more evident now since more people have fallen into it.
Mike

The pit goes back past Davis, I will tell you, I voted for prop 13. that said the sky would fall, it did not. and then came the 80's and high crime, and to save us from that came a man, who road on the law and order platform. under Dukemajian we more laws, law cost money, the more laws you have, the more money it takes. now came Willson, with more laws willson found, he had more people braking said laws. Plus every bond that ever came to the ballot, the people of California did pass. Why? when Davis came in we had a pit, and he did rise our dmv fees, I for one was pissed, would he have kept the hole at bay? I don't know, and yes if not for the recall we would have not led our self's here.

tyrist
10-14-2009, 6:01 PM
I voted for myself...and I would have vetoed the crap out of everything they passed. Would have been the most successful governorship in years and nothing would have happened.

mfmayes49
10-14-2009, 6:11 PM
I saw the writing on the wall with Arnie, After all he is married to a Kennedy.

forgiven
10-14-2009, 6:28 PM
Tom McClintock. The 2nd Amendment candidate.

ZRX61
10-14-2009, 10:19 PM
I admit I voted for him during the recall election. But the real question should be who voted for him for re-election? He had his chance during his first term but proved to be nothing but hot air and not conservative by any means. So who voted for him twice? FOOL ME ONCE SHAME ON YOU, FOOL ME TWICE SHAME ON ME.

The same kind of muppets who elected Clinton AND Bush twice ;)

HondaMasterTech
10-14-2009, 10:27 PM
Other:

Steroids put him in office.

If it wasn't for his steroid use he'd be a pot-smoking loser working at a carwash.

dantodd
10-14-2009, 10:29 PM
Do all the Arnold bashers know how many anti-gun laws Arnie vetoed during his tenure?

HondaMasterTech
10-14-2009, 10:32 PM
Do all the Arnold bashers know how many anti-gun laws Arnie vetoed during his tenure?

Probably not. Though, if someone only breaks ONE of your legs, is it ok then?

chickenfried
10-14-2009, 10:37 PM
I'd guess 50% of them.

Do all the Arnold bashers know how many anti-gun laws Arnie vetoed during his tenure?

SickofSoCal
10-14-2009, 10:55 PM
I voted for Tom McClintock, and I'd vote for him again too.

I knew Arnold was a rotten egg, even all the way back in 2003.

dantodd
10-14-2009, 11:02 PM
Probably not. Though, if someone only breaks ONE of your legs, is it ok then?

If the alternative is someone who would break both and then send you to jail for screaming, yes.

HondaMasterTech
10-14-2009, 11:09 PM
I'd prefer to settle for "what is right" than "could have been worse".

dantodd
10-14-2009, 11:33 PM
I'd prefer to settle for "what is right" than "could have been worse".

The problem is that "what is right" wasn't an option. I'd take $1,000,000 instead of my next paycheck but somehow I can't get that.

HondaMasterTech
10-14-2009, 11:40 PM
I took your comment as suggesting that him vetoing a bunch of bills made the ones he signed ok. Maybe that's not what you meant.

Dwight K. Schrute
10-15-2009, 12:01 AM
It was the first election that I was able to vote in and I voted for Arnold. Ideally, yes Tom McClintock. However, I simply did not believe he stood a chance and, in my view, voting for him would be helping Bustamante. I believe I voted for the lesser of two evils... that's how I sleep at night.

dantodd
10-15-2009, 12:01 AM
I took your comment as suggesting that him vetoing a bunch of bills made the ones he signed ok. Maybe that's not what you meant.

Not at all, I meant that he most likely has vetoed more than most here think he has and that he almost certainly has vetoed more bad gun laws than the alternative would have. There is no such thing as a perfect candidate, Arnold is certainly not one. The alternatives were worse for us.

navyinrwanda
10-15-2009, 12:33 AM
BTW, Tom McClintock is now in Congress representing California's 4th District (El Dorado, Placer, Nevada, Sierra, Plumas, Lassen, and Modoc counties, as well as parts of Butte County including Oroville and a small portion of Sacramento County including Orangevale).

He managed to squeak into office a year ago during the Democratic tsunami.

SickofSoCal
10-15-2009, 12:46 AM
^ Why do you have the Society of the Cincinnati emblem as your avatar?

socalgunrunner
10-15-2009, 12:29 PM
^ Why do you have the Society of the Cincinnati emblem as your avatar?

Maybe he's also "SickofSoCal".

Sorry. I couldn't resist...

SickofSoCal
10-15-2009, 12:33 PM
Maybe he's also "SickofSoCal".

Sorry. I couldn't resist...

That's ok :)