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BigAL
02-16-2005, 7:04 PM
Just watched tonight's episode. They were at Chabot testing if getting shot will really send you "flying back" like in the movies. They had a firearms instructor from S.S.F. PD Dept show up with a MP5 w/ EOTech, Tommy Gun, 44 mag revolver, AR-15 w/ CQT, 12 gauge shotgun, and .308 bolt gun. The MP5 and Tommygun were select fire, not sure about the AR. They were shooting a pig carcass first, then a dummy with body armor on. Not surprising to find out that the myth does not hold true, but entertaining nonetheless.

BigAL
02-16-2005, 7:04 PM
Just watched tonight's episode. They were at Chabot testing if getting shot will really send you "flying back" like in the movies. They had a firearms instructor from S.S.F. PD Dept show up with a MP5 w/ EOTech, Tommy Gun, 44 mag revolver, AR-15 w/ CQT, 12 gauge shotgun, and .308 bolt gun. The MP5 and Tommygun were select fire, not sure about the AR. They were shooting a pig carcass first, then a dummy with body armor on. Not surprising to find out that the myth does not hold true, but entertaining nonetheless.

schizrade
02-16-2005, 7:32 PM
I just met Adam last week while I was at a local Safeway. He was suprised anybody knew who he was! Well just me apparently. Nice guy.

shooterx10
02-16-2005, 11:15 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the police sargeant (Alan Normandy) that was there with them at Chabot the relative of a rangemaster at Jackson Arms?

The other Normandy, Brian, teaches a pistol for home defense class at Jackson Arms and sometimes shoots IDPA at Chabot.

Technical Ted
02-17-2005, 12:08 AM
The narrator said something to the effect of "The M4 is loaded with 9mm bullets". It was an HK MP5.

Technical Ted
02-17-2005, 12:50 AM
After watching it, I realized that the experiment wasn't really thought out completely.

Shooting an inanimate mass of dead flesh hanging from a chain is different from shooting a live human being with an active central nervous system controlling his bodies ability to stand. It was like a doctor testing the reflexes of a cadaver instead of a patient.

I'm not saying a reflexive spasm from the shock of a bullet strike is going to throw the target 10 feet back, but in the average case they'll lose voluntary control and fall back.

schizrade
02-17-2005, 1:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Technical Ted:
After watching it, I realized that the experiment wasn't really thought out completely.

Shooting an inanimate mass of dead flesh hanging from a chain is different from shooting a live human being with an active central nervous system controlling his bodies ability to stand. It was like a doctor testing the reflexes of a cadaver instead of a patient.

I'm not saying a reflexive spasm from the shock of a bullet strike is going to throw the target 10 feet back, but in the average case they'll lose voluntary control and fall back. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah but what can you do? Shoot alive pig on TDC? PETA would flip out and people would be "shocked". But yaeh you have a point.

stv
02-17-2005, 4:05 AM
Adam sometimes wears a Jackson Arms T-shirt during the episodes.

kalibear
02-17-2005, 9:16 AM
I love Mythbusters! And Kari Byron is hot! My favorite episode is when they built a cannon out of a tree stump using gunpowder and a fuse.

Kestryll
02-17-2005, 9:58 AM
One of the best comments I've heard on the 'throw back' effect is that if I poke you in the tush with a pin you're gonna jump. Did the pin have enough energy to move you? No, you reacted and that caused the motion.
As Ted said, using a dead pig really doesn't tell you anything, there are no reflexes and no CNS responses.

But it was cool to watch them unload on Buster.... http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

shooterx10
02-17-2005, 10:20 AM
http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/meet/gallery/kari_bio.jpg

Is this who you are referring to?

I think she worked with metal on the show i.e. welding. Would you allow her to work on your biggest "gun?" http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I love when they blow or shoot stuff up, although the episode with the 8-story elevator plunge was entertaining.

walkerboh4269
02-17-2005, 10:25 AM
Yeah I agree she is hot. Unfortunately from what I have seen of her on the show she is a vegetarian hippy.

My love of steak and hamburgers and her vegetarianism just could not get along. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Oh yeah I almost forgot I am married anyways.

02-17-2005, 11:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kestryll:
One of the best comments I've heard on the 'throw back' effect is that if I poke you in the tush with a pin you're gonna jump. Did the pin have enough energy to move you? No, you reacted and that caused the motion.
As Ted said, using a dead pig really doesn't tell you anything, there are no reflexes and no CNS responses.

But it was cool to watch them unload on Buster.... http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm bummed I missed that episode, but between my two jobs I don't get a lot of time to watch TV. I have seen footage of a person being shot however. It was a couple of years back in Sacramento. There was a chase situation, I don't remember the exact details. I believe there was a hostage involved. The suspect, still believed to be armed, ran towards a line of Sheriff's and a sniper took the suspect out with a single shot. There was news helicopter above that captured the whole thing and they actually did broadcast the footage. There was no "throwback" effect. The suspect just slumped down forward on the ground.

schizrade
02-17-2005, 11:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by shooterx10:
http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/meet/gallery/kari_bio.jpg

Is this who you are referring to?

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh man... she is beyond hotness. I would become a veggie for her. My need for meat is trancended by my need for her.

rawny@mac.com
02-17-2005, 12:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by shooterx10:
http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/meet/gallery/kari_bio.jpg

Is this who you are referring to?

I think she worked with metal on the show i.e. welding. Would you allow her to work on your biggest "gun?" http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Scottie (http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/meet/meet_05.html) is the one who works with metal:

http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/meet/gallery/scottie_bio.jpg

She was shooting the M4 last night. The real M4, not the "M4"/MP5. And she's no vegan. http://www.calguns.net/bow.gif

Technical Ted
02-17-2005, 12:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by macman:
There was a chase situation, I don't remember the exact details. I believe there was a hostage involved. The suspect, still believed to be armed, ran towards a line of Sheriff's and a sniper took the suspect out with a single shot. There was news helicopter above that captured the whole thing and they actually did broadcast the footage. There was no "throwback" effect. The suspect just slumped down forward on the ground. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
A lot of factors go into how a body reacts to a gunshot, some physiological and some physical. Where the target's hit and how. Operative word is "sniper". Snipers go for a head shot, or spinal cord (neck) to shut down the main source of the target's nervous system, the brain.

tcdrennen
02-17-2005, 3:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by macman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kestryll:
One of the best comments I've heard on the 'throw back' effect is that if I poke you in the tush with a pin you're gonna jump. Did the pin have enough energy to move you? No, you reacted and that caused the motion.
As Ted said, using a dead pig really doesn't tell you anything, there are no reflexes and no CNS responses.

But it was cool to watch them unload on Buster.... http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm bummed I missed that episode, but between my two jobs I don't get a lot of time to watch TV. I have seen footage of a person being shot however. It was a couple of years back in Sacramento. There was a chase situation, I don't remember the exact details. I believe there was a hostage involved. The suspect, still believed to be armed, ran towards a line of Sheriff's and a sniper took the suspect out with a single shot. There was news helicopter above that captured the whole thing and they actually did broadcast the footage. There was no "throwback" effect. The suspect just slumped down forward on the ground. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same with the guy who took the hostage at the Mexican embassy in L.A. a couple months back - though from what I heard, he was taken out with a 9mm or .40S&W pistol head shot. He still just dropped liks a sack of sand.

He was still alive, though, for a couple of days, before they ruled him brain dead and pulled the plug.

Heck, I coulda told them he was brain dead BEFORE they took the shot [rimshot] http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

02-17-2005, 4:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Technical Ted:

A lot of factors go into how a body reacts to a gunshot, some physiological and some physical. Where the target's hit and how. Operative word is "sniper". Snipers go for a head shot, or spinal cord (neck) to shut down the main source of the target's nervous system, the brain. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very true Ted, very true. I agree that instances where the brain or upper spinal cord are hit are different than say a center mass hit. I think we can all agree, however that Hollywood exaggerates the "throwback" effect for dramatic purposes.

BTW - the pic is of Kari Byron and yes she is hot.

Glock21Owner
02-17-2005, 5:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The MP5 and Tommygun were select fire </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The M1 Thompson as used is full-auto only; the M1927A1 is semi-auto only.

ivanimal
02-18-2005, 3:14 AM
I have shot a lot of animals and the only weird thing I can recall is deer often jump straight up when shot. I don’t know if it is a reaction to a light caliber, 30-30, or what. Since using a 300 winmag or 45/70 they just fall over right away or after just a few steps. Pigs on the other hand almost always turn and run towards you, even when they don’t know their dead yet. Scary animals those little piggies. Coyotes tend to helicopter when shot, I think its because they are so light. Raccoons and possums just disintegrate when you shoot them with a 50. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

HEWA195@CS.COM
02-20-2005, 1:23 AM
If a person is running forward and gets hit, I would think the momentum of a #170 pound person per say would overcome the impact energy of a pistol round. The person would just go down in a forward motion. This was brought up while making the movie Enemy at the Gates. They instructed the extras to just fall forward when "hit". The impact of a bullet is also concentrated in a very tiny area. It wouldn't be the same as being hit by a bowling ball with the same amount of energy. I know you can discuss the hydraulic effects etc..But watch your newsreel footage of WW1 and WW2. When guys get hit ,they just drop.

Kari is cute,and married. The veggie thing wouldn't work for me either.I wonder if she doesn't eat any meat? Insert inuendo comment here. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif