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RaymondMillbrae
10-12-2009, 8:22 PM
You know what kills me...politics.

Not good, unbiased, politics...but political games.

I am getting pretty scared that we are slipping in a direction that our forefathers never intended.

Our entire Declaration of Independance, and our Constitution, was made to protect the people from "Big Brother" ever doing to us, what England's Constitution did to them.

We were also supposed to be this great country that valued life, liberty, and justice.

What happened?!

Look at the chaos that recently happened in Iran. Remember all the people rallying in protest about the fixed votes for their president? And what happened?

Nothing!!

Massive force, and the Iranian peoples voices were quieted.

It is the same with all the other dictatorial countries.

Now we have these silly (POLITICAL PARTY) Senate and Assembly Bills, the people are assembling in mass to protest (phone calls, emails, hand-written letters), and it does not matter. The peoples voices are being quenched. Big Brother (in this case, Arnie) is making the decision for us.

What's up with that?!!

I am not a conspiracy theorist, but this is really setting a good picture in my "mind's eye". I swear I see us becoming a country where there is a dictator, the peoples voices are suppressed, and the ruling party does whatever they want. (By controling the politicians in power, or regulating the media/television).

Some people say, "Don't worry. You will not die, and your lifestyle will not be changed".

But I say, "Pthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"!

That is a hellacious lie that smells like smoke.

I see this current generation declining. We are fast becoming a people that want everything for free. If we don't have to work for it...even better.

Who raises our children now-a-days? TV, nannies, video games, public schools?

We are becoming a lazy country, and this is the inevitable outcome.

Let me also get something else off my chest which pertains to our beloved 2nd Amendment rights...immigration. (Not necessarily illegal immigration, but immigration itself).

We have soooooooooooooooooooo many folks coming from other countries and integrating into our country. And a lot of these folks come from suppressed countries (Communists, socialists, dictatorial, war-torn, etc...). And being in the San Francisco Bay Area, I know first-hand about their mentality and their viewpoints. Cubans' Ethiopians, Chinese, Somali's, Filipino's, Latino's, etc...they all have the same mindset in regards to weapons. (By the way [not tooting my horn], I espeeky Eenglish, a little German, Spanish, and am studying Chinese).

Many of these folks FEAR weapons because they are totally misused in their native countries. Many of these people have been victims of death and destruction at the hands of their own people misusing weapons. And when they come to America, they bring these same fears with them. But that's not the end of the story. As they get a good foothold here and become American citizens...they vote. And how do you think they will vote in regards to our 2nd Amendment rights?

This new generation of voters have no inkling of our treasured American past. They have no idea where we came from, and more importantly, what it took to get us where we are now. So naturally, they do not see weapons like "pure" (native born) Americans do. They see it from the perspective of immigrant eyes. Immigrants who fled their countries from horrible folks who have abused weapons, and left psychological scars on their psyche.

A lot of these immigrant folks are against any type of weapons...period.

This is a huge factor in this current generation of voters.

And for the ones that do wish to purchase a weapon...I cannot tell you how many times these immigrant folks have asked me where they need to go to get "licensed and registered" to purchase a handgun. (They are thinking like they are back in their native country, and not in America). For those that are American citizens, I quickly say, "You're American, brother. You automatically have that right"!

And don't let me get started on immigrants from super impoverished countries. They will ALWAYS vote to get something for free. They lived horrible, suppressed lives. And this "Utopia" vision of America they have, means everyone should be getting something for nothing. And when they get their citizenship, that is exactly how they will vote. (Who wouldn't do everything within their power to get their families out of oppressed/impoverished countries, bring them to America, where they can vote for free housing, free food, and free health care)? This is a huge factor in passing liberal agenda's!

Anyhoo...I pray that things will get better. But I do not really foresee this.

I am politically active, and I do my part to inform all my friends. I write to all the Senetors, Congressmen, and Govenors as needed. I help financially support 2nd Amendment organizations, and stay abreast of all the current issues.

But it sure looks bleak.

The newer generation looks like it is outnumbering the older generation. And this newer generation is always looking foreward, without ever knowing about it's past. And you know the ole saying about not knowing the past.

Just wanted to get this off my chest.

With this SB585 AND AB962, I am not feeling too free at the moment.

Thank God my faith is not totally on this country, or it leaders...but on the powerful Creator of the universe.

In Christ: Raymond

yellowfin
10-12-2009, 8:24 PM
The country doesn't have leaders in office, unless you count being led straight to hell as leadership.

locosway
10-12-2009, 8:48 PM
Iran also didn't have an armed public.

We have much more voice in what's going on, simply because we, as a people, are armed.

When the time comes, we won't be quieted.

tophatjones
10-12-2009, 8:52 PM
Iran also didn't have an armed public.

We have much more voice in what's going on, simply because we, as a people, are armed.

When the time comes, we won't be quieted.

But when do we act with force? Everything done to us has been incremental. Gradually heating the pot will cook even the most alert frog.

glockwise2000
10-12-2009, 8:55 PM
Iran also didn't have an armed public.

We have much more voice in what's going on, simply because we, as a people, are armed.

When the time comes, we won't be quieted.


I guess now is the time? Not to be quiet? What do you say?

locosway
10-12-2009, 8:57 PM
You can't form a revolt over a public message board. It takes a lot of planning and key strategic victories in certain areas. We've seen some victories, but there's still a lot of power in the hands of Washington.

Also, everything you say on the internet is watched.

There's ways to communicate securely over the internet, if interested just PM me.

armandolo
10-12-2009, 9:06 PM
Iran also didn't have an armed public.

We have much more voice in what's going on, simply because we, as a people, are armed.

When the time comes, we won't be quieted.

I'm afraid RaymondMillbrae is dead on the money. We wont act, we wont do anything because all those changes are incremental and do not do anything to the majority of the population. We are a young country and our forfathers foresaw this kind of issues and made laws. But as time passes every bit is chipped away. Give another 200-300 years and we would be no different then England, Russia, heck even Iran who are 3000+ years old. Are you gonna grab your guns and start a revolution because they took your ability to purchase ammo online? No. Unless there is some misery in general public for a long period of time there would be nothing. And I'm afriad by that time there will be no 2nd amendment.

gunsmith
10-12-2009, 9:08 PM
You know what kills me...politics.

Not good, unbiased, politics...but political games.

I am getting pretty scared that we are slipping in a direction that our forefathers never intended.

Our entire Declaration of Independance, and our Constitution, was made to protect the people from "Big Brother" ever doing to us, what England's Constitution did to them.

We were also supposed to be this great country that valued life, liberty, and justice.

What happened?!

Look at the chaos that recently happened in Iran. Remember all the people rallying in protest about the fixed votes for their president? And what happened?

Nothing!!

Massive force, and the Iranian peoples voices were quieted.

It is the same with all the other dictatorial countries.

Now we have these silly (POLITICAL PARTY) Senate and Assembly Bills, the people are assembling in mass to protest (phone calls, emails, hand-written letters), and it does not matter. The peoples voices are being quenched. Big Brother (in this case, Arnie) is making the decision for us.

What's up with that?!!

I am not a conspiracy theorist, but this is really setting a good picture in my "mind's eye". I swear I see us becoming a country where there is a dictator, the peoples voices are suppressed, and the ruling party does whatever they want. (By controling the politicians in power, or regulating the media/television).

Some people say, "Don't worry. You will not die, and your lifestyle will not be changed".

But I say, "Pthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"!

That is a hellacious lie that smells like smoke.

I see this current generation declining. We are fast becoming a people that want everything for free. If we don't have to work for it...even better.

Who raises our children now-a-days? TV, nannies, video games, public schools?

We are becoming a lazy country, and this is the inevitable outcome.

Let me also get something else off my chest which pertains to our beloved 2nd Amendment rights...immigration. (Not necessarily illegal immigration, but immigration itself).

We have soooooooooooooooooooo many folks coming from other countries and integrating into our country. And a lot of these folks come from suppressed countries (Communists, socialists, dictatorial, war-torn, etc...). And being in the San Francisco Bay Area, I know first-hand about their mentality and their viewpoints. Cubans' Ethiopians, Chinese, Somali's, Filipino's, Latino's, etc...they all have the same mindset in regards to weapons. (By the way [not tooting my horn], I espeeky Eenglish, a little German, Spanish, and am studying Chinese).

Many of these folks FEAR weapons because they are totally misused in their native countries. Many of these people have been victims of death and destruction at the hands of their own people misusing weapons. And when they come to America, they bring these same fears with them.

But that's not the end of the story. As they get a good foothold here and become American citizens...they vote. And how do you think they will vote in regards to our 2nd Amendment rights?

These new generation of voters have no inkling of our treasured American past. They have no idea where we came from, and more importantly, what it took to get us where we are now. So naturally, they do not see weapons like "pure" (native born) Americans do. They see it from the perspective of immigrant eyes. Immigrants who fled their countries from horrible folks who have abused weapons, and left psychological scars on their psyche.

A lot of these immigrant folks are also against weapons of any type. Period.

This is a huge factor in this current generation of voters.

And for the ones that do wish to purchase a weapon...I cannot tell you how many times these immigrant folks have asked me where they need to go to get "licensed and registered" to purchase a handgun. (They are thinking like they are back in their native country, and not in America). For the American citizens, I quickly say, "You're American, brother. You automatically have that right"!

And don't let me get started on immigrants from super impoverished countries. They will ALWAYS vote to get something for free. They lived horrible, suppressed lives. And this "Utopia" vision of America they have, means everyone should be getting something for nothing. And when they get their citizenship, that is exactly how they will vote. (Who wouldn't do everything within their power to get their families out of oppressed countries, bring them to America, where they can vote for free housing, food, and health care)?!

Anyhoo...I pray that things will get better. But I do not really foresee this.

I am politically active, and I do my part to inform all my friends. I write to all the Senetors, Congressmen, and Govenors as needed. I help financially support 2nd Amendment organizations, and stay abreast of all the current issues.

But it sure looks bleak.

The newer generation looks like it is outnumbering the older generation. And this newer generation is always looking foreward, without ever knowing about it's past. And you know the ole saying about not knowing the past.

Just wanted to get this off my chest.

With this SB585 AND AB962, I am not feeling too free at the moment.

Thank God my faith is not totally on this country, or it leaders...but on the powerful Creator of the universe.

In Christ: Raymond

It will take an act of God, my guess, a 9.1 or so earthquake, no food deliveries for a few weeks, people without guns to protect their meager pantry will never want to be without one ever again.
Or socialist inspired genocide.
God help us.

locosway
10-12-2009, 9:12 PM
I'm afraid RaymondMillbrae is dead on the money. We wont act, we wont do anything because all those changes are incremental and do not do anything to the majority of the population. We are a young country and our forfathers foresaw this kind of issues and made laws. But as time passes every bit is chipped away. Give another 200-300 years and we would be no different then England, Russia, heck even Iran who are 3000+ years old. Are you gonna grab your guns and start a revolution because they took your ability to purchase ammo online? No. Unless there is some misery in general public for a long period of time there would be nothing. And I'm afriad by that time there will be no 2nd amendment.

Something will happen, it already has. OK city was in response to Wacco. Tragically those two idiots who pulled it off channeled their energy in the wrong way.

What's needed is a large area of like minded people. Once you have an entire town of 10k people with the same values and morals things will change. Can you imagine a city with the 30k CG's?

mblat
10-12-2009, 9:16 PM
You can't form a revolt over a public message board. It takes a lot of planning and key strategic victories in certain areas. We've seen some victories, but there's still a lot of power in the hands of Washington.

Also, everything you say on the internet is watched.

There's ways to communicate securely over the internet, if interested just PM me.

I have to wonder how many FBI and ATF officers will take you up on your offer.....

armandolo
10-12-2009, 9:20 PM
Can you imagine a city with the 30k CG's?

That's more like a little village which will get ignored in a grand scheme of things.

locosway
10-12-2009, 9:22 PM
I have to wonder how many FBI and ATF officers will take you up on your offer.....

There's nothing illegal about encrypting your traffic. Furthermore, I do not participate in illegal activities, however I have been known to discuss hypothetical situations, especially since I write books in my spare time.

bigcalidave
10-12-2009, 9:31 PM
Something will happen, it already has. OK city was in response to Wacco. Tragically those two idiots who pulled it off channeled their energy in the wrong way.

What's needed is a large area of like minded people. Once you have an entire town of 10k people with the same values and morals things will change. Can you imagine a city with the 30k CG's?

Wasn't that the plan with frontsight? lol... In before someone brings up "jefferson state"

locosway
10-12-2009, 9:33 PM
No no, I brought up Jefferson State in another thread... ;)

mblat
10-12-2009, 9:43 PM
There's nothing illegal about encrypting your traffic. Furthermore, I do not participate in illegal activities, however I have been known to discuss hypothetical situations, especially since I write books in my spare time.

Whatever...... point was that all those "organizations" ( including calguns ) are full of law enforcement. To the point when they will provoke somebody to do something stupid.
As the result when you talking "securely" on internet there is very good chance that you having conversation with a Fed.

locosway
10-12-2009, 9:47 PM
Whatever...... point was that all those "organizations" ( including calguns ) are full of law enforcement. To the point when they will provoke somebody to do something stupid.
As the result when you talking "securely" on internet there is very good chance that you having conversation with a Fed.

There is, but rule number one is never assume the person is who they say they are unless you can confirm this. There's checks and balances to ensure you're talking to the right person if you are so inclined to do so.

Anyway, I was just saying I can show people how they can talk to each other without worrying about being intercepted.

RaymondMillbrae
10-13-2009, 4:49 AM
Look at Mongolia. At one time they were the greatest power in the world. Chinngis Kahn had the largest army and empire the world had ever seen. But look at them now...gone.

Look at the Persian empire. Great, magnificent, powerful. But look at them now...gone.

Look at the Roman and Greek empires. Majestic, awe inspiring. Some of the greatest philosophers the world has ever seen have come from this era. But look at them now...gone.

Look at the Chinese Dynasties. There are countless stories told of their art, their colorful grandeur, their sciences. But look at them now...gone.

Look at the Inca empire. A beautiful mountain city overflowing with gold. But look a them now...gone.

All the afore-mentioned empires were great. In a way, based on their time in history, they were greater than ours. Some of them lasted for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. But they have all crumbled in time.

Now look at America. We are still a baby nation - nowhere near as old and established as the former empires. And it looks like we are already on our way out.

We started as a great nation, with a fantastic heritage and future. But like history has taught us, the newer generations will always forget the past, and be "weaker" than the first and founding generation.

We are living in an era where our children have forgotten the sacrifice and steadfastness of their fathers and forefathers. They take everything for granted, and have forgotten the sacrifice it took to have this current freedom they are abusing. (Read the book of Exodus for a great practical example).

Our forefathers died to give this country it's honor and sovereignty - but yet this generation is cruising on these "rights" they inherited, and are taking everything to it's Nth degree of degradation. (Disgusting art, abortions on demand, filthy music and lyrics, glorifying the ugly and the evil, burning our beloved flag in the name of "free speech," cutting God out of this country, etc...).

They have no idea what it means to be a sovereign nation. (As a matter of fact, I bet most do not even know what the word means)!

They have no idea what sacrifice really is.

They have no absolutes, and are confused about what is moral and decent.

And because of that, they are willing to give away what they freely inherited (their freedoms), and are willing to trade it for some paltry scraps which they think is great.

Any dictator in his right mind would love to be in this scenario. They would swoop-in to rule from golden mansions, where they can wipe the leftover crumbs from their table to feed the peasants. Especially if the stupid peasants, having never known what true sacrifice and freedom was, were satisfied with what they were being fed. (Look at Venezuela and N. Korea for a great example)!

Let me touch on another subject...weakness.

We are living in a country surrounded by folks who have this “renaissance period” mentality of what the world should be like. They think "civilized people" are above everyone else. They think we should walk around with fancy English white wigs, fancy clothes, and drink tea with our pinkies up in the air. And when they hear of decapitations and war atrocities, they audibly gasp while covering their open mouths in horror.

These guys are living in a self-created bubble. They have this idea of what the world “should” be like. And if you don't fit in their pretty picture, you are a monster.

Fools!

Open your eyes. Look at the countries all around you.

There are countries in this day and age that will conquer us in a heart beat if they had the opportunity. (Contrary to popular belief, Pres Reagan never stopped the Cold War. Do not deceive yourselves)!!! ). There are people who would not hesitate to exterminate your family to have the land you live in. (Mexicans, Arabs, Afrikaans). There are people who would die TRYING to get what you have, just because they don’t have it. (Teenage Somali pirates). Then there are the religious fanatics. (OK...I’m not even gonna go there)!

People are people, and people are sinners. And as long as there is sin in this world, atrocities will never cease. Take away the weapons, and they will still knife and club you to death. Weapons don’t kill people…people kill people.

So to think that “all those other people” are barbarians because they shed blood is a foolish outlook. Soldiers will have to shed blood in order to defend our freedoms. Cows and chickens will need to be slaughtered in order to feed the hungry masses. Pigs will need to be shot and gutted in order to have your nice pork loin "wrapped all nice and pretty" at your local super market. It is a messy job…but it is a reality. Death is a fact of life, and it will never stop. There is nothing wrong with going back to the basics.

We are becoming a weak nation. We have strayed from the basics. (We must kill to eat. We must work to survive. We must raise our children. We must protect what we have).

My wife is a serious country girl, as well as my best friend. She has no problem going hunting with me. And when it’s time to kill and gut the sheep to put food on the table…she is pushing me out of the way, “to show me how to do it right”. (I luvz me wifey)!!

OK, that’s enough psycho-babble.

Honor God, and love your spouse.

Pray for our soldiers, and pray for our leadership.

In Christ: Raymond

Midian
10-13-2009, 5:19 AM
Look at the chaos that recently happened in Iran. Remember all the people rallying in protest about the fixed votes for their president? And what happened?

Nothing!!

Massive force, and the Iranian peoples voices were quieted.



That was a CIA/MI6 fueled People-Power coup that never got airborne. They can't all be top ten hits, you know. Not as massive as you might think.

J.A.G.
10-13-2009, 8:39 AM
Iran also didn't have an armed public.

We have much more voice in what's going on, simply because we, as a people, are armed.

When the time comes, we won't be quieted.

psshhhh... not for much longer. This is how it starts. First they ban the sale of ammo without fingerprinting... next, they ban the sale of all handguns, then rifles, then ammo all together. before you know it... all you can buy is an airsoft rifle at walmart.

locosway
10-13-2009, 10:39 AM
psshhhh... not for much longer. This is how it starts. First they ban the sale of ammo without fingerprinting... next, they ban the sale of all handguns, then rifles, then ammo all together. before you know it... all you can buy is an airsoft rifle at walmart.

In CA, while in other states you can have FA weapons with suppressors. It may start in CA, but it won't affect the entire US, not without a fight. There's no way they're going to strip the public of arms without an armed revolt, even if it IS in small steps.

stagman
10-13-2009, 11:00 AM
I want to re-instate the Mason Dixon Line! hehehe, but conservatives get the southern part because the weather is better... :7: