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Mike's Custom
10-12-2009, 12:40 PM
We need to recall Arnold and anyone that signed onto this bill or any other anti gun type bill. I don't care how close he is to being out of office, we need to send this message now. We scared the crap out of them for a while when we DUMPED DAVIS and now it is time to do it again. How about getting some petitions started for all seated representives and congress people? Time to clean house with a message.

wildhawker
10-12-2009, 12:41 PM
Let's stay focused on areas of activism that can bear useful fruit.

leitung
10-12-2009, 12:43 PM
I hate to say it but I am down.. He has screwed my family over more than once, microstamping, the .50 cal stuff, AB962, and the 3 furloughs which save this state no money at all.

woodsman
10-12-2009, 12:44 PM
I fear the devil I don't know more than the one I do.

Legasat
10-12-2009, 12:52 PM
There is already a movement driving this effort - the Tea Party/912 Project people. They are already circulating petitions to recall Arnie, based on his latest budget (tax hikes!!).

Hook up with one in your local area, and you will find a petition.

Mike's Custom
10-12-2009, 12:55 PM
Let's stay focused on areas of activism that can bear useful fruit.


This is staying focused. When we dumped Davis we actually had a short period of time when our elected CA officals thought about things before passing bad legislation. Even Arnie howed some restraint. The message needs to be now to show we will not allow this anymore. Calling our reps or the gov. doens't do anything it ehy want to pass it because there is no consequence for doing so, just mad voters that they piss on anyway. Maybe if we started recalling them all they would take notice.

wildhawker
10-12-2009, 1:04 PM
We have a number of means of recourse available to us; we would be wise to stay effective and use our limited energy on things that will promote the outcome we desire.

AB962 is going to go away. Why further invest ourselves into an issue that is out of our hands? I believe our strength and voice is just beginning to be found here at CGN. I'm confident that we can accomplish much if we are focused on reasonable goals.

bwiese
10-12-2009, 1:06 PM
A recall is not gonna work on Arnold.

And there are far far worse. (Poizner? Meg Whitman? Tom Campbell??)

It worked on Davis because the lights were flickering. That kinda stuff works once.

Red Cell
10-12-2009, 1:37 PM
Arnold signing AB962 is just the last straw. I agree with those who think we should recall Arnold. He has made too many wrong moves over the past 5 years and it's time he suffer like Gray Davis did when the population wasn't happy with him.

Here is the site to download your Recall Arnold petition:

http://www.blogcatalog.com/blog/california-tea-party

yellowfin
10-12-2009, 1:40 PM
Recalling a lame duck nearing the end of their term in office who probably never intends to hold public office again anyway accomplishes what, exactly?

jazman
10-12-2009, 1:42 PM
A recall is not gonna work on Arnold.

And there are far far worse. (Poizner? Meg Whitman? Tom Campbell??)

It worked on Davis because the lights were flickering. That kinda stuff works once.

This.

bwiese
10-12-2009, 1:49 PM
And recalling a Gov based on a gun vote that most folks don't understand will just make us look bad/stupid.

If it could give him another term, it probably would end up doing that.

I worry that the Tea Parties in CA are gonna go sideways and have a huge backlash, esp in a state that went way overboard for Obama just a year ago.

berto
10-12-2009, 2:29 PM
I'll play along just enough to ask who do you think will replace Arnie for the remainder of his term?

Keep in mind it would be for a few months at most and come with the power of incumbency. Think about that for a second.

The three stooges currently running on the republican side aren't going to win any recall contest. The republican party pushing a costly recall on a near bankrupt state is not the path to electoral nirvana. That leaves Jerry Brown or somebody with a big name jumping in to win a massively split vote. Think of the other big names in CA politics right now. Think hard, relive some nightmare scenarios.

orangeusa
10-12-2009, 2:32 PM
Recalling a lame duck nearing the end of their term in office who probably never intends to hold public office again anyway accomplishes what, exactly?

+100 - Precisely - this is CA, the land of horrible politicians. There are a LOT worse out there......

locosway
10-12-2009, 2:46 PM
Let's stay focused on areas of activism that can bear useful fruit.

He's worse than Davis, so I don't think we're upset over one issue such as 962. It's the entire picture, which is quite FUBAR.

Honestly, he needs to be out of that office if he can't do his job, which he clearly is not. I'm not claiming to be a better person than him, or to understand what it takes to be a Governor, but he really isn't giving the state the attention it needs. He has the power to enact change, and instead he wastes his time of unneeded ventures.

reidnez
10-12-2009, 2:47 PM
Ugh...no more recalls. We have enough problems in this state as it is without trying on governors like my girlfriend tries on shoes.

I campaigned against the last (successful) recall--not because I liked Davis (I'm a libertarian), but because the recall itself was WRONG. This isn't Guatemala, we don't just stage a coup every time an official displeases us. Ousting an elected official mid-term should be reserved for someone who criminally abuses the responsibility of his office--I'm talking Blagojevich, Nixon antics. Voting the "wrong way" or failing to veto a bill you don't like or making a speech you don't like, none of those things are misconduct--they are just things that you and I don't agree with. If you don't like a politician, tell your friends not to vote for him next time around. Campaign for the other guy. Heck, why not run for office yourself?

Davis took the fall for a fake "energy crisis" which was actually engineered by Enron, who ripped off our state to the tune of $30 billion. Sounds like tin-hat stuff, but it's fact. The recall folks did a brilliant job of directing folks' attention away from the fact that a greedy, renegade corporation was shutting our lights off and pocketing $30BIL of our money. Instead of reading about that, we read about child actors and porn stars running for governor. Thanks recall!

Arnold might take the fall for the current economic implosion, but it has little if anything to do with any decisions he's made. I disagree with him on many things, but I have not seen any criminal conduct which would warrant a recall.

orangeusa
10-12-2009, 2:49 PM
DeLeon (sp?) is THE PROBLEM as are the folks in the Senate and Assembly who voted AYE on this issue.

It would have NEVER gotten to be a bargaining chip in the water wars if it had been stopped earlier.

hawk81
10-12-2009, 2:53 PM
Arnold is just like his dad, the Nazi.

bomb_on_bus
10-12-2009, 2:53 PM
Man I have been pushing to get arnold out the first day he took office. Hopefully now theres a lot more people who have been awakened to the great evils that are taking place up in Sacramento.

reidnez
10-12-2009, 2:54 PM
Man I have been pushing to get arnold out the first day he took office. Hopefully now theres a lot more people who have been awakened to the great evils that are taking place up in Sacramento.

I was pushing to stop his getting in there in the first place...

Purple K
10-12-2009, 2:59 PM
There is currently no viable replacement waiting in the wings. Just let the lame duck finish his term. However, remember this day when it comes time to vote, and remember "if you don't vote, you can't b!tch."

reidnez
10-12-2009, 3:02 PM
There is currently no viable replacement waiting in the wings. Just let the lame duck finish his term. However, remember this day when it comes time to vote, and remember "if you don't vote, you can't *****."

My thoughts, exactly. He was put in office by a farce, it's little surprise that his term has followed suit.

1859sharps
10-12-2009, 3:15 PM
We need to recall Arnold and anyone that signed onto this bill or any other anti gun type bill. I don't care how close he is to being out of office, we need to send this message now. We scared the crap out of them for a while when we DUMPED DAVIS and now it is time to do it again. How about getting some petitions started for all seated representatives and congress people? Time to clean house with a message.

just a reminder, Davis was not recalled solely on 2nd amendment grounds. the economic reasons took front seat. But your right, the pro 2nd amendment support for the recall did not go unnoticed.

Recalls are a legit action, they should be very possible, but not very easy. If we could recall an elected official every time one faction or an other got upset there would be chaos.

Compared to what Davis did to our 2nd amendment rights, Arnold is "chump change". trying to recall Arnold solely for 962 would be a wast of political and financial capital.

orangeusa
10-12-2009, 3:17 PM
He also SOLD the electrical power grid (infrastructure)!!! Remember that?
That's like selling the engine in your car and renting it back.

Davis was bad news on many fronts. Being ineffective was his strength!!!

Timberwolf
10-12-2009, 3:18 PM
Recalling him now is kinda like closing the barn door once the animals are gone - whats the use the damage is done.

locosway
10-12-2009, 3:19 PM
just a reminder, Davis was not recalled solely on 2nd amendment grounds. the economic reasons took front seat. But your right, the pro 2nd amendment support for the recall did not go unnoticed.

Recalls are a legit action, they should be very possible, but not very easy. If we could recall an elected official every time one faction or an other got upset there would be chaos.

Compared to what Davis did to our 2nd amendment rights, Arnold is "chump change". trying to recall Arnold solely for 962 would be a wast of political and financial capital.

Maybe... We might see chaos... Then again, we might also see politicians do as they say and not flip flop on us once in office.

Holding people accountable is what's right. I'm not sure letting someone just run their course and not voting again is holding them accountable. On a side note, there isn't enough time to do a recall. We should just gear up for a massive campaign on who we're going to support next.

wildhawker
10-12-2009, 3:21 PM
... On a side note, there isn't enough time to do a recall. We should just gear up for a massive campaign on who we're going to support next.

That's more like it.

bondmid003
10-12-2009, 3:24 PM
One of these threads was already closed, why start another?

locosway
10-12-2009, 3:26 PM
One of these threads was already closed, why start another?

Not everyone watches the boards intently. People come and go and so as they please. If more people post this and we keep saying the same thing "No recall" then perhaps people will understand what does need to be done.

We can't effect a recall at this time. There's no point in trying. What's better is to try and get someone with our views elected next which is going to be very hard. Arnie really screwed up from both sides view. So, to get another Repub in there who isn't as Rico Swauve ar Arnie is going to be very hard.

devildog999
10-12-2009, 3:26 PM
We need to recall Arnold and anyone that signed onto this bill or any other anti gun type bill. I don't care how close he is to being out of office, we need to send this message now. We scared the crap out of them for a while when we DUMPED DAVIS and now it is time to do it again. How about getting some petitions started for all seated representives and congress people? Time to clean house with a message.

What's the point. They would likely be replaced by people even more anti-gun. Can't win in CA on the issue of guns with these knucklehead politicians

bondmid003
10-12-2009, 3:43 PM
Not everyone watches the boards intently. People come and go and so as they please. If more people post this and we keep saying the same thing "No recall" then perhaps people will understand what does need to be done.

We can't effect a recall at this time. There's no point in trying. What's better is to try and get someone with our views elected next which is going to be very hard. Arnie really screwed up from both sides view. So, to get another Repub in there who isn't as Rico Swauve ar Arnie is going to be very hard.

Well I think the starter of this thread is the same guy that started the one that was closed. I know people are angry but let's try to keep a cool head about ourselves. That and its annoying that there are like 8 different threads all saying the same thing

Surefire
10-12-2009, 3:52 PM
Recalling Arnie the Libtard is IMO wasted energy. He will be out soon anyway.

We need to actively fight this new bill, via lawsuits, protests, etc.

However, the sad fact is that realisticall we are SOL. Any lawsuits will take YEARS to resolve, and chances are they will be lost anyways given who runs this state.

When an even worse libtard becomes Govenor next term, such as Feinstein or Newsom, we are going to lose a lot more than the right to buy ammo online. Their real goal is to eventually ban all firearms and airguns, IMO.

scratch
10-12-2009, 4:05 PM
And recalling a Gov based on a gun vote that most folks don't understand will just make us look bad/stupid.

If it could give him another term, it probably would end up doing that.

I worry that the Tea Parties in CA are gonna go sideways and have a huge backlash, esp in a state that went way overboard for Obama just a year ago.

So, from a CG perspective, we need a positive proactive approach to keep us focused on our issues. I know the bill was only signed today, however is there any thoughts for a collective plan?

I've been a single issue voter and Life member of both NRA and CRPA since the early 1970's and I'm NOT about to give up the fight or move out of California.

Nose Nuggets
10-12-2009, 4:11 PM
if you want anything of the sort to actually garner reasonable results you need to clean house. removing JUST the governor is worthless. he didn't even write this legislation, he just balanced the reelection possibilities with a signature or a veto and came to this conclusion. that's all it is. its a constant calculation of what actions produce the best chance for re-election. There are very few politicians who want to actually change things, or make a difference. or, at the very least retain that sentiment for a duration after becoming elected.

Harrison_Bergeron
10-12-2009, 4:42 PM
Recalls are a legit action, they should be very possible, but not very easy. If we could recall an elected official every time one faction or an other got upset there would be chaos.


Exactly, the main strategy of the pro-2A movement is setting precedent for the next move, yet people don't seem to be thinking about the precedent that would be set by a recall over a single issue. If a recall were successful what would keep the opposite side of an issue you disagree with from doing the same thing the next time a bill they don't like is passed? It would be a constant back and forth, do you want to vote on recall elections more than you vote on gay marriage?

swerv512
10-12-2009, 4:53 PM
Arnold's not even worth the download time and stamp needed to send in his recall petition. He's politically dead- his influence only serves to anger those who voted him in. What a traitor. he should be ashamed, but saving face means more to him than standing by his original principles.

IrishPirate
10-12-2009, 5:02 PM
do you know how much money a recall takes?? with CA so far in the red it's rediculous to put ourselves in the negative light be recalling Arnie just because of a bill that doesn't take effect until after he's out of office. CA gun owners would look rediculous to the public and the anti-gun lobbyists would have a field day with how "unstable" we all are. HOW ABOUT WE START LOOKING AT WHO WE WANT TO REPLACE ARNIE, AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY WILL HAVE OUR INTERESTS IN MIND!!!!!!! lets not ***** about a bad situation we don't have to deal with for another year and a half, lets make things better by getting off our asses!!!!!

B Strong
10-12-2009, 5:13 PM
We need to recall Arnold and anyone that signed onto this bill or any other anti gun type bill. I don't care how close he is to being out of office, we need to send this message now. We scared the crap out of them for a while when we DUMPED DAVIS and now it is time to do it again. How about getting some petitions started for all seated representives and congress people? Time to clean house with a message.

Great idea, that's is completely out of our reach financially.

The "WE" in the Gray Davis recall effort had a far broader base than the gun owners that we could get involved in an Arnie recall movement. Arnie is in bad favor with the state labor unions - do you believe that the SIEU et al are working to recall him? and do you believe that we should make common cause with them and would be accepted?

Mike's Custom
10-12-2009, 11:45 PM
Well I think the starter of this thread is the same guy that started the one that was closed. I know people are angry but let's try to keep a cool head about ourselves. That and its annoying that there are like 8 different threads all saying the same thing


You think wrong. This is the only thread I started about this. Recalls are something that can be done outside the courts and it scares the crap of them in Sac. Whether it works to get enough signatures or not, a massive recall of all our reps and Arnie, not just for the firearms stuff but the budget and all the rest of it, it might just make anyone else running think twice. Arnie promised us a lot and delivered nothing but as big a mess as we replaced.

I would rather spend our tax dollars on special elections and recalls then more state welfare and court costs. For me, we don't use recalls often enough and it is cheaper then putting up with what we have now.

eydaimon
10-13-2009, 7:32 AM
A recall is not gonna work on Arnold.

And there are far far worse. (Poizner? Meg Whitman? Tom Campbell??)

It worked on Davis because the lights were flickering. That kinda stuff works once.


But there's better too. Tom McClintock

berto
10-13-2009, 9:42 AM
But there's better too. Tom McClintock

Can he win statewide? He hasn't yet. A recall isn't a good idea and it isn't going to happen.