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freonr22
10-12-2009, 6:13 AM
Its funny How Ab962 is not in the updat list Yet.

We do not have Confirmation of it being not vetoed,

http://gov.ca.gov/index.php?/press-release/13567/

The governor was on pace Sunday night to surpass that mark, as he had vetoed nearly half of the first 451 bills that he acted on. If the governor takes no action, bills become law without his signature. But Schwarzenegger has rarely, if ever, done that.


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/10/11/MNGP1A49ST.DTL&type=politics&tsp=1#ixzz0Tj8JUWQh



And the Guns news Daily has the exact same story as 10 news. I maybe wrong, But I am calling Fud

My Email To 10 news



Link:http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=68596

I call FUD Fear uncertanty and Doubt being spread by you. The Ab962 is not in his update, 1,2,or 3 and youpossibly copied thid from else where. Please cite your source

JagerTroop
10-12-2009, 6:15 AM
I had the same thought. I think someone is playing a cruel joke.

ETA - KEEP CALLING!

kermit315
10-12-2009, 6:19 AM
I want to hear it from the guv also. anybody hit him up on twitter yet to see WTF? I dont trust a gun website that has all that info up online before the governors site is even updated, with a statement no less, that nobody else can seem to see.

cbn620
10-12-2009, 6:20 AM
I'm with you, but where did that they're posting statement come from? I'm definitely writing some emails here, and am going to do more searching. This is crazy. If this is true, the governor did not release this information to the public first, but instead released it selectively to certain journalists? That would make no sense.

p7m8jg
10-12-2009, 6:21 AM
Unfortunately, you're being optimistic in a pessimistic state - It's not on the signed list......not vetoed list. Which means.........

jello2594
10-12-2009, 6:22 AM
I'm with you, but where did that they're posting statement come from? I'm definitely writing some emails here, and am going to do more searching. This is crazy. If this is true, the governor did not release this information to the public first, but instead released it selectively to certain journalists? That would make no sense.

It's either an overeager writer for News10, who can't even spell the word Ammunition, or perhaps someone at News10 is getting a personal favor from the Governor's office by "breaking the story" hours before anyone else, which seems stupid.

Synergy
10-12-2009, 6:22 AM
That Gun New Daily going to about:blank page. It wont even load. I dont trust that info!

freonr22
10-12-2009, 6:23 AM
Message I’m happy to answer your question, but am confused about what you are asking.

The bill does require a thumbprint, which is turned over to police, and that ammo kept behind a counter, which we reported in an earlier story.

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=68254&catid=2

The governor’s information was from a release from his press secretary.

I hope this helps.
Thanks for visiting News.10.net


Trevor T. Tamsen
KXTV/News10 Good Morning
916-.321.3330

ttamsen@news10.net
From:
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:10 AM
To: Tamsen, Trevor
Subject: AB 962 viewer question about an article
Importance: High



Link:http://www..news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=68596 (http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=68596)

I call FUD Fear uncertainty and Doubt being spread by you. The Ab962 is not in his update, 1,2,or 3 and you possibly copied third from else where. Please cite your source




Ohh really they turn it over to the Police??

BroncoBob
10-12-2009, 6:25 AM
That Gun New Daily going to about:blank page. It wont even load. I dont trust that info!

Let's hope so

cbn620
10-12-2009, 6:28 AM
Please ask Mr. T here if he confirmed his source. i.e. did he call the governor's office and confirm that it is a real press release, or did he simply copy-paste it from someone else who said it was from the press secretary.

CalNRA
10-12-2009, 6:29 AM
Has anyone heard of the gunnewsdaily website before? and SD area people know about it?

oaklander
10-12-2009, 6:30 AM
http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=68596

Does not look good.

freonr22
10-12-2009, 6:30 AM
TRevor Cited His source: I would be happy too.
This is from the Gov.’s office came in at 2:17 am.
Attached is the memo.
Thanks for visiting news10.net.


Trevor T. Tamsen
KXTV/News10 Good Morning
916-.321.3330

ttamsen@news10.net
From: Governor's Press Office [mailto:Governor's.PressOffice@GOV.CA.GOV]
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 2:17 AM
Subject: Legislative Update 4



GAAS:614:09
For Immediate Release: Contact: Aaron McLear
Monday, October 12, 2009 Mike Naple
916-445-4571

Legislative Update 4


Governor Schwarzenegger has signed 226 bills and vetoed eight bills.

Bills Signed:


There is more, I cant fit it



AB 894 (http://leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_894&sess=CUR&house=B&author=furutani) by Assemblymember Warren Furutani (D-South Los Angeles County) - Ballot measures: fiscal impact statements.

AB 899 (http://leginfo/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_899&sess=CUR&house=B&author=torres) by Assemblymember Norma Torres (D-Pomona) - Common interest developments: disclosures.

AB 904 (http://leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_904&sess=CUR&house=A&author=v._manuel_perez) by Assemblymember V. Manuel Perez (D-Coachella) - Local capital investment incentives: qualified manufacturing facilities.

AB 905 (http://leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_905&sess=CUR&house=A&author=committee_on_agriculture) by Committee on Agriculture - Agricultural commodities.

AB 906 (http://leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_906&sess=CUR&house=A&author=hill) by Assemblymember Jerry Hill (D-San Mateo) - Conflict of interest: remote interest in a contract.

AB 912 (http://leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_912&sess=CUR&house=B&author=torres) by Assemblymember Norma Torres (D-Pomona) - Telecommunications: Emergency Telephone Users Surcharge.

AB 926 (http://leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_926&sess=CUR&house=B&author=ruskin) by Assemblymember Ira Ruskin (D-Redwood City) - State contracts: goods: loss leader.

AB 931 (http://leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_931&sess=CUR&house=A&author=fletcher) by Assemblymember Nathan Fletcher (R-San Diego) - Emergency supplies.

AB 941 (http://leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_941&sess=CUR&house=B&author=committee_on_judiciary) by Committee on Judiciary - Adoption.

AB 952 (http://leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_952&sess=CUR&house=B&author=krekorian) by Assemblymember Paul Krekorian (D-Burbank) - Health information: disclosure: Taft-Hartley plans.

AB 955 (http://leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_955&sess=CUR&house=B&author=de_leon) by Assemblymember Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles) - Public Safety Officers Procedural Bill of Rights Act: discipline.

AB 962 (http://leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_962&sess=CUR&house=A&author=de_leon) by Assemblymember Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles) - Ammunition. See attached signing message.

AB 975 (http://leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_975&sess=CUR&house=A&author=fong) by Assemblymember Paul Fong (D-Cupertino) - Water corporations: water meters.

AB 992 (http://leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_992&sess=CUR&house=B&author=lieu) by Assemblymember Ted Lieu (D-Torrance) - Advertising: residential property taxes: assessment appeal application filing services.

AB 995 (http://leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_995&sess=CUR&house=B&author=block) by Assemblymember Marty Block (D-San Diego) - Tissue bank licensing.



There are no bills left on the Governor’s desk.

(Note: Click on bill number for more information on the bill.)


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darkest2000
10-12-2009, 6:31 AM
Link is working again:
Before the midnight deadline Governor Schwarzenegger acted on 685 bills that were on his desk. He signed 456, and vetoed 229.

One of the bills that he signed was Assembly Bill 962. It would require handgun ammunition to be kept behind the counter where customers cannot access it without assistance. It would also require gun shop owners to thumbprint people who buy handgun ammunition, as well as record their identification and provide that information to police.

The Governor released a statement explaining why he signed this bill.

"To the Members of the California State Assembly: I am signing Assembly Bill 962.

This measure would require vendors of handgun ammunition to keep a log of information on handgun ammunition sales, store ammunition in a safe and secure manner, and require the face to-
face transfer of ammunition sales.

Although I have previously vetoed legislation similar to this measure, local governments have demonstrated that requiring ammunition vendors to keep records on ammunition sales improves public safety. These records have allowed law enforcement to arrest and prosecute persons who have no business possessing firearms and ammunition: gang members, violent parolees, second and third strikers, and even people previously serving time in state prison for murder.

Utilized properly, this type of information is invaluable for keeping communities safe and preventing dangerous felons from committing crimes with firearms.

Moreover, this type of record keeping is no more intrusive for law abiding citizens than similar laws governing pawnshops or the sale of cold medicine. Unfortunately, even the most successful
local program is flawed; without a statewide law, felons can easily skirt the record keeping requirements of one city by visiting another. Assembly Bill 962 will fix this problem by
mandating that all ammunition vendors in the state keep records on ammunition sales.

As Governor, I have sought the appropriate balance between public safety and the right to keep and bear arms. I have signed important public safety measures to regulate the sale and transfer of .50 caliber rifles, instituted the California Firearms License Check program, and promoted the use of microstamping technology in handguns. I have also vetoed many pieces of legislation that sought to place unreasonable restrictions and burdens on firearms dealers and ammunition vendors.

Assembly Bill 962 reasonably regulates access to ammunition and improves public safety without placing undue burdens on consumers. For these reasons, I am pleased to sign this bill."

JagerTroop
10-12-2009, 6:32 AM
I just got an email back from News 10.

I asked him to reveal his source.

I would be happy too.
This is from the Gov.’s office came in at 2:17 am.
Attached is the memo.
Thanks for visiting news10.net.
Bills Signed:
...AB 962 by Assemblymember Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles) - Ammunition. See attached signing message...

However, this info is not on the Gov's website(he listed all the bills. I just snipped it)

CalNRA
10-12-2009, 6:34 AM
Unfortunately I can't see the reporter faking the news risking his career like that.

cbn620
10-12-2009, 6:35 AM
If this is true, I'm very disappointed in the governor's office for not acting professionally and with the interest of the general public in mind. If the 4th update was available at 2AM, why is it now 6:33 and it has yet to be posted to his web site? This is unacceptable for a developed nation with mass communication implements such as the Internet, especially considering we are a supposed functioning democracy and the archetype of such a society for the rest of the world.

freonr22
10-12-2009, 6:35 AM
To the Members of the California State Assembly:
I am signing Assembly Bill 962.
This measure would require vendors of handgun ammunition to keep a log of information on
handgun ammunition sales, store ammunition in a safe and secure manner, and require the faceto-
face transfer of ammunition sales.
Although I have previously vetoed legislation similar to this measure, local governments have
demonstrated that requiring ammunition vendors to keep records on ammunition sales improves
public safety. These records have allowed law enforcement to arrest and prosecute persons who
have no business possessing firearms and ammunition: gang members, violent parolees, second
and third strikers, and even people previously serving time in state prison for murder. Utilized
properly, this type of information is invaluable for keeping communities safe and preventing
dangerous felons from committing crimes with firearms.
Moreover, this type of recordkeeping is no more intrusive for law abiding citizens than similar
laws governing pawnshops or the sale of cold medicine. Unfortunately, even the most successful
local program is flawed; without a statewide law, felons can easily skirt the record keeping
requirements of one city by visiting another. Assembly Bill 962 will fix this problem by
mandating that all ammunition vendors in the state keep records on ammunition sales.
As Governor, I have sought the appropriate balance between public safety and the right to keep
and bear arms. I have signed important public safety measures to regulate the sale and transfer
of .50 caliber rifles, instituted the California Firearms License Check program, and promoted the
use of microstamping technology in handguns. I have also vetoed many pieces of legislation that
sought to place unreasonable restrictions and burdens on firearms dealers and ammunition
vendors. Assembly Bill 962 reasonably regulates access to ammunition and improves public
safety without placing undue burdens on consumers.
For these reasons, I am pleased to sign this bill.
Sincerely,
Arnold Schwarzenegger

Wouldnt the Governor Actually Sign this??

jello2594
10-12-2009, 6:36 AM
Unfortunately I can't see the reporter faking the news risking his career like that.

Career? He works local news in Sacramento. Trust me, it's not the career he has in mind.

Bizcuits
10-12-2009, 6:38 AM
Unfortunately I can't see the reporter faking the news risking his career like that.

Yeap, odds are it was late, people wanted to go home. They sent out the memo to the news stations and closed down shop for the night.

It passed.

jello2594
10-12-2009, 6:39 AM
I'm still looking for proof otherwise.

Ok, the GAAS number is 7 after the latest release on the site, which means there are 6 other press releases supposedly floating out there.

Also, I emailed the sending address, Governor's.PressOffice@GOV.CA.GOV, and it bounced back as undeliverable.

Detective Jello is on the case!!

vandal
10-12-2009, 6:41 AM
Let's just move on to the supreme court already.

cbn620
10-12-2009, 6:43 AM
Yeap, odds are it was late, people wanted to go home. They sent out the memo to the news stations and closed down shop for the night.

It passed.

That's my thought too. Sounds like a crummy government, and shoddy work ethic. This is a damned shame.

I remember last night at some point they were telling Gene the update (#4) was coming soon.

10-54
10-12-2009, 6:45 AM
Where is the "Arnold" smiley? HTML tag could be :traitor:

jello2594
10-12-2009, 6:49 AM
I also emailed Aaron McLear (aaron.mclear@gov.ca.gov) and asked him about it. If only emails would ring like telephones and wake him up...

JagerTroop
10-12-2009, 6:49 AM
That's f*cked up. The Gov will release info to the press, but not on his website? Why not let the "people" all find out the same way?


ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER
THE PEOPLE'S GOVERNOR

Awwwww HORSESH*T!!

joe4702
10-12-2009, 6:50 AM
Doesn't look good. The reporter would have no reason to make up a press release like that. And it sounds exactly like the feel-good BS you'd expect - no mention of the mail-order ban, finger-printing (never knew I needed to get finger-printed to buy cold medicine), paperwork, dealer licenses, having to keep all ammo out of reach of customers, etc. No burden, my ***.

lockandloadllc
10-12-2009, 7:00 AM
so when do the lawsuits start to over turn this bull?

7222 Hawker
10-12-2009, 7:00 AM
This is truly one of the worst gun control laws I've seen. Ammo is gonna be like gold in California.

JagerTroop
10-12-2009, 7:10 AM
so when do the lawsuits start to over turn this bull?

Already in the works (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=230632)

Larua
10-12-2009, 7:11 AM
If that's true (and it appears probable) it's a shame.

Sounds like Arnold bought the LA Times op-ed hook, line and sinker.

'His' signing statement presents a rather sorry set of arguments.

First, if I remember correctly the gang members and violent criminals were a tiny fraction of the 2.8% of prohibited buyers documented in studies. Furthermore, I don't believe any purchases were linked to crimes other than possession.

Second, as the NRA has pointed out, most of that 2.8% is not due to malice but to legal ignorance. A simple eligibility check would be less intrusive and more effective at denying ammo to prohibited persons at the point of sale. But, hey, it's not like CA has a problem with overcrowded and underfunded prisons or anything...

Third. the pawnshop analogy is inept because there is no prohibition on circumventing the procedure by selling goods in other venues (e.g. craigslist) which is not the case with AB962.

Fourth, it is in fact more burdensome and intrusive than buying cold medicine. (Unless, since the last time I checked, you had to be thumbprinted and have personal info recorded for OTC meds.)

Fifth, "without placing an undue burden on consumers" - really? REALLY? According to whom? I bet a survey or economic study of ammo purchasers would find that the burden is significant in terms of heightened transaction costs, reduced supplies, reduced choice, and higher prices. The only way they can get away with making such a ludicrous assertion is because gun owners are a minority. If Arnold signed a bill imposing similar restrictions on something a majority of the population uses (like gasoline), such an absurd statement would elicit widespread anger and ridicule.

kperry
10-12-2009, 7:14 AM
Hawker- while I'm also pi$$ed this terrible bill passed, (especially after all the calling and letters) I definitely wouldn't go that far. Sure, a few vendors will quit selling ammo, but your local gun store still will,and they will still feel market pressures from places like Bass Pro Shops. (I'm betting Mall-Wart will stop selling ammo,along with Big 5. :( )
Hyperbole much?
I do think DOJ is going to be really backlogged with all of our COE applications.

kperry
10-12-2009, 7:20 AM
Larua- as anyone with really bad sinuses can tell you- you now have to present ID to a pharmacy employee,have that info recorded,and sign a log to buy Sudafed OTC. Only thing that's missing is the thumbprint. Hasn't stopped the Meth heads, or even slowed them down.

jello2594
10-12-2009, 7:20 AM
Other news websites have been updated much later than 2am, and have NO mention of this press release that ONLY News 10 in Sacramento seems to have gotten. What makes News10 so special?

freonr22
10-12-2009, 7:22 AM
Why isnt the letter signed Jello? its a signing memo wtf?

freonr22
10-12-2009, 7:23 AM
response from reporter
I’m happy to answer your question, but am confused about what you are asking.

The bill does require a thumbprint, which is turned over to police, and that ammo kept behind a counter, which we reported in an earlier story.



Really?

jello2594
10-12-2009, 7:24 AM
Why isnt the letter signed Jello? its a signing memo wtf?

I just seems awfully fishy, if true, that someone in Aaron McLear's office is having an inappropriate relationship with a staffer at News10 - giving them information that NO OTHER OUTLET seems to have gotten.

TraumaJunky
10-12-2009, 7:26 AM
Although Arnold vetoed SB585 and attempted to send a clear message to the anti-gunners I think he sent an even clearer message by not acting on AB962. Let's play politics.

He is using 962 to help him with the water crisis in the north. This is another example of the Government using our Constitutional Rights to gain political ground on matters that are non-Constitutional. Our Rights can not be bartered with! We need to call Arnold's office today and let them know that by not vetoing this bill and allowing it to slip into law, it is the same as signing YES.

The NRA needs to take on the task of taking this bill to court?

steadyrock
10-12-2009, 7:27 AM
That's my thought too. Sounds like a crummy government, and shoddy work ethic. This is a damned shame.


This is California. You expected something different from the government?

jello2594
10-12-2009, 7:28 AM
Although Arnold vetoed SB585 and attempted to send a clear message to the anti-gunners I think he sent an even clearer message by not acting on AB962. Let's play politics.

He is using 962 to help him with the water crisis in the north. This is another example of the Government using our Constitutional Rights to gain political ground on matters that are non-Constitutional. Our Rights can not be bartered with! We need to call Arnold's office today and let them know that by not vetoing this bill and allowing it to slip into law, it is the same as signing YES.

The NRA needs to take on the task of taking this bill to court?

Wow, lurking for months and here's your first post. Hear hear! Welcome TraumaJunky.

kperry
10-12-2009, 7:28 AM
Can't edit my previous post on the mobile interface, but wanted to add that the pseudephedrine law makes me nearly as mad as AB962 - I haven't been stuck at 3am needing a box of 9mm, but I have been stuck with no meds, no 24-hour pharmacy open, and the grocery store or 7-11 can't sell me anything that works.

freonr22
10-12-2009, 7:36 AM
Trevor T. Tamsen
KXTV/News10 Good Morning
916-.321.3330

Anyone more eloquent than I care to call ? I am unsure how to question WEll Would not the Governor Sign the signing message??? and why is the Update 4 on their website yet? and the list of bills you have are not internally updated, ie, ab962 shows no recent activity? Also, I emailed the sending address, Governor's.PressOffice@GOV.CA.GOV, and it bounced back as undeliverable. Governor's.PressOffice@GOV.CA.GOV (Governor%27s.PressOffice@GOV.CA.GOV)
The recipient's mailbox is full and can't accept messages now. Microsoft Exchange will not try to redeliver this message for you. Please try resending this message later, or contact the recipient directly.

Lone_Gunman
10-12-2009, 7:40 AM
Cross post: I posted this in the 962 watch thread but it bears repeating-

Well, our overlords have spoken. Just one more step in disarming their subjects. I have no more faith in the legislative process. Come the 2010 SCOTUS I may regain some faith in the judicial branch. At this point I am so sick over this I don't know what to do. A lot of my friends are going to get sick of it but my next move is to make sure everyone 2A friendly I know is registered to vote and VOTES in the next election. Here is a pertinent question. How many of us actually voted in the last 5 elections? Not just the last Presidential election but the mid-terms and the recalls, and the primaries? This is the result when we don't get involved until the bills have been written and are being debated in committee. Voter turn out is LOW in California and in the nation. Who do we have to blame but the thousands and tens of thousands of 2A friendly people who don't bother to vote.