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gloxter
05-23-2005, 1:18 PM
Under $2,500, okay? I've been looking at several: FN, Tactical Rifles M40, Remington (package), Accuracy Int'l (barely under $); DSA's new MP1; Savage package? Note: The rifle won't be for duty use, only for Police/Fire/Competition and for long-distance plinking purposes. I'd like to get into the 1/2 moa realm and stay below $2K (without glass). Any suggestions? Thanks for your insight. -gloxter

slo5oh
05-23-2005, 3:13 PM
Way below $2500...
for plinking and taking out critters:
http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-scout.shtml

If you plan to take out (large) critters past 200 yards with iron sites:
http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-national.shtml

If you want to save even more find an FFL that knows his laws and you can buy a FAL receiver cheap then peice one together for under $500. Just be sure to leave the pistol grip off.

50 Freak
05-23-2005, 5:36 PM
I also strongly suggest the PSS. You can use the extra money for optics/rings/mounts/bipod/new trigger etc.

It is definitely capable of shooting sub MOA with good match or handloads.

And if you have money burning in your pocket. I would get rid of the factory barrel and put in a Obermeyer 5R barrel. Fluted of course.

Or put in a HS Precision 10 round detachable mag conversion unit.

You'll be hitting the $2,500 mark real quick.

With mine, I can consistantly hit dimes at a 100 yards.

LongBch_SigP226
05-23-2005, 5:59 PM
I own Rem700 PSS and less than MOA is possible with match ammo. If you want to save more money, buy their varmint model, I believe its called Remington VS (Varmint Synthetic). I think it's identical to PSS except for the stock.

BigAL
05-23-2005, 7:10 PM
If you go PSS make sure you either get a new trigger (Jewell is good) or work on the stock one to lighten up the pull.

Josh
05-23-2005, 7:40 PM
You can save some money by buying a normal remmy 700 in .308

It will be the same as the PSS except for the stock and finish.

I have a savage .308 and I am very pleased with its accuracy for the price. The only gripe is that the stock is flimsy and bolt pull is not as smooth . But I can shoot under 1 moa all day.

45user
05-23-2005, 9:00 PM
I'd say to buy Rem PSS also. I have a Rem PSS that I had my gunsmith cut the barrel in 22", true the action, lighten trigger pull & moly all metal in OD color that shoots real well. It will still put you way below $2500 mark. You can take a look at mine here...
http://www.snipershide.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=18;t=000903

edizon
05-23-2005, 9:13 PM
Cooper Arms M22 Varmint Extreme in .308. Ask for Rob Behr. He'll fill you in on the details and get you excited.

http://www.cooperfirearms.com

sned45
05-23-2005, 9:53 PM
Don't rule out the Kimber LongMaster Classic. my Kimber LongMaster VT is a tack driver.

BRO
05-23-2005, 10:08 PM
For $2500.00 look at a Yost rifle. He puts together some really nice 308 cal bolt actions mostly on Remmies. Go to the lounderthanwords web and you can see some of his rifles or just go to his web.

LongBch_SigP226
05-23-2005, 11:03 PM
Trigger pull is heavy on Rem700 but stock trigger can easily be adjusted. Since there is potential risk of accidental discharge, I highly recommend that you have the qualified gunsmith do this. If you still insist on doing it yourself, get a trigger pull gauge and follow the instructions below.
http://quarterbore.com/library/articles/rem700trigger.html http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/RemingtonTriggers.asp

bwiese
05-23-2005, 11:04 PM
I have a Rem 700PSS in 308 which I've never fired, unfortunately. Gotta scope it up, etc.

But I have its little brother, the 700LTR ("Light Tactical Rifle") in 308, with a shorter 20" fluted heavy bbl and comes w/an HS Precision stock that's a tad less beefy than the 700 PSS' stock.

That gun, using Fed. Gold Medal match 168gr ammo, and with a Burris scope on top, will easily do 1/2MOA or less [i]out-of-the-box[/]. Consistently. Without regard to the somewhat phony 'barrel break in' rituals. Trigger is fairly good, but you can drop in a _nice_ trigger 'module' from Brownell's for fairly low cost.

Many shooters make the "expensive gun + cheap scope" error. Even a low-cost Savage 10-series varmint rifle can do an OUTSTANDING job. But crappy Trashco, Simmons scopes, etc. can drift, etc. Minimally, get a Burris, Leupold, Zeiss or Nikon scope. Their adjustments 'stick' and don't wander. Also, get good quality heavy mounts.

Frankly 700LTR (and 700PSS) are better guns than most shooters' skills deserve http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

For longer ranges, you want a tad more velocity so stay with the PSS and its longer bbl.

I'm a fan of Valdada scopes. Right now I have an 8X Valdada mildot scope on my 700LTR. Gonna put at least a 4-14 Valdada on my 700PSS.


Bill Wiese
San Jose

45user
05-23-2005, 11:06 PM
gloxter,
Follow the link below.

http://www.snipershide.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=006835

He made my rifle on the below post titled "My new bang stick". He has quite a reputation going at the snipershide. And I can add to that his works are awesome. If you are local he might be able take off few bucks if you pick up the rifle instead of shipping it. His email address is RDPrecision@adelphia.net
45user

esskay
05-24-2005, 1:17 PM
If you're willing to spend up to $2500 but still trying to find a bargain, I'd troll Snipers Hide and pick up a used GA Precision stick. Guys list gently used examples for sale all the time.

05-24-2005, 2:30 PM
When I asked my dealer about this he recommended getting a Remington Police 700 with a Leupold scope. The whole police package would have cost me about $1300 OTD. I was told that it would take me a heck of a lot of shooting to become better than this rifle.

shooterx10
05-24-2005, 10:08 PM
http://www.hunt101.com/img/289315.jpg

My Remington 700PS package that I bought 10+ years ago. It can shoot Federal Gold Medal .308 168gr sub 1 MOA at 100 yards on a good day.

Another "marksman" rifle package you may want to look at is the one from Savage Arms:

http://www.savagearms.com/le_home.htm
http://www.savagearms.com/images/lawEnforcement/sniper.jpg

Army
05-25-2005, 10:01 AM
My Savage Tactical left me a ton of money for upgrades, including a Choate stock and Sharp Shooters Supply Competition trigger (12oz).

With 165gr White box, it will do 1/2" out to 250yds, and still be around 6" at 1000yds when I do my part right.

gloxter
05-25-2005, 1:01 PM
Thanks to all that responded. With a header like "Best .308" I knew I'd be in for some good replies. To Army: WOW! Those are great groups from your Savage. I was considering the 10FPXP-LE but Keislers/online hasn't had them for some time now; apparently only available in .223 for the last few months. They were listing them for about $850.00 Some of the hunters I work with trash Savage bolt rifles (don't know why), but your rifle seems to be rather nice. Again, thanks for the info. -gloxter

edizon
05-25-2005, 5:49 PM
I have a Savage 10FPLE2A .308, 26" heavy barrel w/ Choate stock, Burris Fullfield II 4-14X42 scope and Harris bi-pod. It shot swell right out of the box. City Arms has my initial target posted on their "wall of fame" if you want to check it out.

BTW, my Savage really likes the Georgia Arms 168gr Sierra BTHP Match (#G308M) ammo.

Bladewurk@aol.com
05-26-2005, 10:21 AM
I went with a Remmy VLS I bought new for $550.,had GA Precision bed it in a Mcmillan A3 with Loopy M3 and Badger mounts,HS precision bottom metal.Shoots like a dream! If I had it to do all over again I'd buy same rifle but AI Chassis system OR FN SPR System.The FN System is ready to go in whatever configuration you want.YMMV,etc.......

MrEd
05-26-2005, 8:01 PM
I have to agree with the savage arms , got myself a 10 FP LE2A and was amazed , got it from City Arms in Pacifica , great deal and it would leave you plenty of money for upgrades and optics .

imported_TMC
05-26-2005, 10:34 PM
Hey! shameless plug, Mine it still for sale but the Boyd's stock is gone.

Look HERE (http://calguns.net/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/7736030741/m/59910107421)

integrity_first
06-04-2005, 7:12 PM
Gloxter,

If you're interested in a decent .308 set up, I'm selling mine.

Savage 10FP with Accutrigger.
Ken Farrel 20 min. of angle one piece base.
Warne Maxima rings.
Leupold Model 51850 3-10X40 Vari X III with MilDot reticle w/Butler Creek flip ups.
Harris bipod.
Blackhawk butt pouch/shell holder.

New/never fired, total virgin Safe Queen.

http://img135.echo.cx/my.php?image=dscf00808ey.jpg

Turbinator
06-04-2005, 11:14 PM
Broom not included? http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Sorry. Looks good!

Turby

Sharnhorst
06-06-2005, 8:56 PM
Gloxter.

The savage is a very nice rifle for the money. The accuracy out of the box is the best you will find over the counter. This is what i have been told by many people and dealers alike. I do know that mine will out shoot me. the accutrigger is what sold me, safe and very consitant pull. BUT THE STOCK SUCKS!! either buy the one that comes with the mcmillen stock or get the cheapy model and swap it out as soon as you can afford to. there are some very nice highend stocks made for the savage. All your buddie that trash talk the savage are most likly thinking of the old savage before the Accu-trigger, the triggers were horrid.