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Double_D
10-11-2009, 6:37 AM
It's already October 11. Is it too late? Also, does AB962 only apply to handgun ammunition? Will I still be able to buy rifle ammunition online?

GrizzlyGuy
10-11-2009, 6:43 AM
Midnight tonight is the deadline. If affects handgun ammunition only. You'll still be able to buy rifle ammo online IF you can find a vendor to sell it to you (some like Cabelas plan to stop selling ALL ammo online to CA).

fuegoslow
10-11-2009, 6:45 AM
This is where the out of state vendors may get a bit jumpy at the idea of sending anything to CA. Sort of like how some Gunbroker vendors won't send CA legal items to CA.

Yes, AB962 only applies to handgun ammunition, but what about Ammo that can be used in both type guns? A Walther P22 handgun and a Ruger 10/22 rifle? Both use .22lr so interpretation will be up in the air. I think I read it's about commonly used calibers for handguns. In any case, this is a bad bill.

Midian
10-11-2009, 7:06 AM
IF this passes (and it may since the Gub'ment doesn't care about us and Arnold is a complete traitor to those that gave him the keys to the state) there has to be something we can do in reprisal.

Like, you know, stop paying into their system as much as possible.

obeygiant
10-11-2009, 8:46 AM
Midnight tonight is the deadline. If affects handgun ammunition only. You'll still be able to buy rifle ammo online IF you can find a vendor to sell it to you (some like Cabelas plan to stop selling ALL ammo online to CA).

If you can find someone online willing to sell you ammunition it is still subject to:

SEC. 7. Section 12318 is added to the Penal Code, to read:
12318. (a) Commencing February 1, 2011, the delivery or transfer
of ownership of handgun ammunition may only occur in a face-to-face
transaction with the deliverer or transferor being provided bona fide
evidence of identity from the purchaser or other transferee. A
violation of this section is a misdemeanor.


the only exemptions being:

(3) "Handgun ammunition vendor" has the same meaning as set forth
in Section 12060.
(c) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to or affect the deliveries,
transfers, or sales of, handgun ammunition to any of the following:
(1) Authorized law enforcement representatives of cities,
counties, cities and counties, or state and federal governments for
exclusive use by those government agencies if, prior to the delivery,
transfer, or sale of the handgun ammunition, written authorization
from the head of the agency employing the purchaser or transferee, is
obtained identifying the employee as an individual authorized to
conduct the transaction, and authorizing the transaction for the
exclusive use of the agency employing the individual.
(2) Sworn peace officers, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing
with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2 who are authorized to carry a
firearm in the course and scope of their duties.
(3) Importers and manufacturers of handgun ammunition or firearms
licensed to engage in business pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing
with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the
regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(4) Persons who are on the centralized list maintained by the
Department of Justice pursuant to Section 12083.
(5) Persons whose licensed premises are outside this state who are
licensed as dealers or collectors of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44
(commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code
and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(6) Persons licensed as collectors of firearms pursuant to Chapter
44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States
Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto whose licensed
premises are within this state who has a current certificate of
eligibility issued to him or her by the Department of Justice
pursuant to Section 12071.
(7) A handgun ammunition vendor.
(8) A consultant-evaluator, as defined in subdivision (s) ofSection 12001.

GrizzlyGuy
10-11-2009, 9:33 AM
If you can find someone online willing to sell you ammunition it is still subject to:

Yes, but that only applies to handgun ammo and not rifle or shotgun ammo. Were you trying to reinforce that online sales of handgun ammo will be illegal if AB962 passes? If so, I agree 100%.

obeygiant
10-11-2009, 1:11 PM
Yes, but that only applies to handgun ammo and not rifle or shotgun ammo. Were you trying to reinforce that online sales of handgun ammo will be illegal if AB962 passes? If so, I agree 100%.

You're correct, I misread the original post. With vendors already hesitant to do business with California we may likely see that they stop selling ammo altogether.

bodger
10-11-2009, 1:19 PM
You're correct, I misread the original post. With vendors already hesitant to do business with California we may likely see that they stop selling ammo altogether.


I've posted this somewhere on CG already. My online vendor in Ohio is spooked by all of this and to play it safe, won't be selling to CA if this passes.

Harley Quinn
10-11-2009, 1:22 PM
Monday headlines will be full of the story in SAC BEE.
I have a feeling, one way or the other.
Sunday normally gets pushed over until Monday...

If it does pass the law does not go into effect until next year, be interesting what happens between then.
:confused:
Regards

bodger
10-11-2009, 2:07 PM
Monday headlines will be full of the story in SAC BEE.
I have a feeling, one way or the other.
Sunday normally gets pushed over until Monday...

If it does pass the law does not go into effect until next year, be interesting what happens between then.
:confused:
Regards


A massive amount of online orders originating from CA will probably be the first thing that happens.

It will be interesting to see which vendors are willing to sort through the law and know what is legal and continue to sell to us out here.

We have an entire year or more to stock up I guess.

gcvt
10-11-2009, 2:31 PM
Monday headlines will be full of the story in SAC BEE.
I have a feeling, one way or the other.
Sunday normally gets pushed over until Monday...

If it does pass the law does not go into effect until next year, be interesting what happens between then.
:confused:
Regards

Not until February 2011.

Harley Quinn
10-11-2009, 3:39 PM
Not until February 2011.

Time enough to get more ammo:D

Thanks

Stubbie
10-11-2009, 3:53 PM
Starting from today, everyone including criminals are going to start stock piling handgun ammo. By 2011, there'll be enough handgun ammo imported into California to drown the city of LA.

croc4
10-11-2009, 4:19 PM
you may not like this guy, but I think he is more on the mark than off, but goes to show that not only cali residents want to kill this bill

http://www.youtube.com/user/nutnfancy?blend=1&ob=4

Croc4