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bwiese
08-15-2005, 9:21 PM
What legal force does a no-gun sign in a NV hotel have? (Crossed red circle w/handgun picture.)

Upon leaving Fitzgerald's/Reno, my GF pointed it out to me. Didn't see it at other strip hotels (Silver Legacy, Eldorado, etc.) And the Hilton was certainly cool with gun people http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

As I understand NV's CCW laws, only certain key areas (courts, jails, airports, etc.) are no-gun, and you could be charged/prosecuted for violating those. Not sure about banks (?) - though a US Bank there had a no-gun sign.

But I believe a hotel/casino is just like any other place. If you were legally CCWing and somehow bldg management said "no guns, please leave" that's one thing. (And perhaps you could be charged w/trespassing if refusing to leave facility after being asked.) But the actual possession of a (legal) CCW gun in hotel/casino is not illegal in NV, is it?

Bill Wiese
San Jose

Mike Searson
08-15-2005, 9:42 PM
http://www.lcav.org/states/nevada.asp#carryingconcealedweapons

NRS 202.3673 Permittee authorized to carry concealed firearm while on premises of public building; exceptions; penalty.

1. Except as otherwise provided in subsections 2 and 3, a permittee may carry a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of any public building.

2. A permittee shall not carry a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of a public building that is located on the property of a public airport.

3. A permittee shall not carry a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of:

(a) A public building that is located on the property of a public school or the property of the University and Community College System of Nevada, unless the permittee has obtained written permission to carry a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of the public building pursuant to paragraph (c) of subsection 3 of NRS 202.265.

(b) A public building that has a metal detector at each public entrance or a sign posted at each public entrance indicating that no firearms are allowed in the building, unless the permittee is not prohibited from carrying a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of the public building pursuant to subsection 4.

4. The provisions of paragraph (b) of subsection 3 do not prohibit:

(a) A permittee who is a judge from carrying a concealed firearm in the courthouse or courtroom in which he presides or from authorizing a permittee to carry a concealed firearm while in the courtroom of the judge and while traveling to and from the courtroom of the judge.

(b) A permittee who is a prosecuting attorney of an agency or political subdivision of the United States or of this state from carrying a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of a public building.

(c) A permittee who is employed in the public building from carrying a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of the public building.

(d) A permittee from carrying a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of the public building if the permittee has received written permission from the person in control of the public building to carry a concealed firearm while the permittee is on the premises of the public building.

5. A person who violates subsection 2 or 3 is guilty of a misdemeanor.

6. As used in this section, “public building” means any building or office space occupied by:

(a) Any component of the University and Community College System of Nevada and used for any purpose related to the system; or

(b) The Federal Government, the State of Nevada or any county, city, school district or other political subdivision of the State of Nevada and used for any public purpose.

Ê If only part of the building is occupied by an entity described in this subsection, the term means only that portion of the building which is so occupied.

(Added to NRS by 1995, 2725; A 1997, 63; 1999, 2767)

Maybe you can dig through that and find something, Bill.

As far as I can tell...only valid if the place had metal detectors.
I think their little sign holds as much water as the little boutiques in the Bay area with the same signs saying, "No Weapons"

bwiese
08-15-2005, 11:13 PM
Well that seems to be the key law, then. Thanks.

So worst case is that hotel kicks you out if (legal) CCW somehow is discovered (which it shouldn't, since apparently in some states 'flashing' can be regarded as menacing behavior).

Bill Wiese
San Jose

Mike Searson
08-15-2005, 11:57 PM
I thinksome places have had problems with drunks getting out of hand and the sign is to cover their *** if they get sued.

In some states (Florida, Texas, and a few others)it's not legal to CCW in a bar or casino.

Texas has a law about the sign...and the sign has to meet certain criteria or you don't have to respect it.

Personally...I feel if you're going to drink...don't CCW...but I feel the same way about driving.

delloro
08-16-2005, 3:12 PM
As used in this section, “public building” means any building or office space occupied by:

(a) Any component of the University and Community College System of Nevada and used for any purpose related to the system; or

(b) The Federal Government, the State of Nevada or any county, city, school district or other political subdivision of the State of Nevada and used for any public purpose.

who owns the hotel?

unless NV has a law to the contrary, you are welcome to take your gun - and your business - elsewhere.

bwiese
08-16-2005, 5:05 PM
Well, given what I've seen here now, whenever I get my NV CCW I'll go where I please, damn the signs.



Bill Wiese
San Jose

DVDTracker
08-17-2005, 7:46 AM
Originally posted by Mike Searson:
In some states (Florida, Texas, and a few others)it's not legal to CCW in a bar or casino.

Texas has a law about the sign...and the sign has to meet certain criteria or you don't have to respect it.


In Texas, it's perfectly legal to carry into a bar... if they don't have a "51%" sign posted, meaning they make at least 51% of their profit from alcohol. Now realistically speaking, I doubt any bar makes less than 51% of their income from alcohol sales. Just wanted to clarify that the law doesn't say anything about bars or casinos.

I saw a restaurant that had a 51% sign posted, which I found odd, especially after looking at the food prices on their menu. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Mike Searson
08-17-2005, 8:23 AM
I think that's for places like...El Toritos, Chilis, etc.

One of the southern states...it may be Florida says it's ok to go into one of them with a CCW as long as you don't sit in the bar area.

I'll have to check...one of the states and it's not NV mentions casinos.

Do they have casinos in TX?

DVDTracker
08-17-2005, 9:06 AM
No casinos here in TX that I know of.

bwiese
08-17-2005, 3:49 PM
Originally posted by DVDTracker:
No casinos here in TX that I know of.

Don't all the po' folk down there play video poker? That seems to be legal in some states where other gambling isn't.

I was surprised, even in Austin, at the number of huge pawn shops there. (Some even have shooting ranges - Doc Holliday's - which is cool.) Seems that pawning is a fair portion of life down there for some folks.


Bill Wiese
San Jose

Mike Searson
08-17-2005, 4:04 PM
There are tons of pawnshops in the South, Bill.

Some of the Pawnshops in TX and FL can put CA Gunshops to shame!

I don't think it's so much related to gambling as it is to people living hand-to-mouth.

DVDTracker
08-17-2005, 8:04 PM
Originally posted by bwiese:
Don't all the po' folk down there play video poker? That seems to be legal in some states where other gambling isn't.


http://www.kvue.com/news/local/stories/081105kvuegamemachines-cb.622c9e41.html

imported_Stevie
08-17-2005, 8:55 PM
As long as banks, casinos have no signs at every entrance of the building showing no firearms allowed then it is ok to carry concealed with your CCW or as they are called in NV, " Concealed Firearms Permit".

bwiese
08-18-2005, 5:11 AM
Originally posted by Stevie:
As long as banks, casinos have no signs at every entrance of the building showing no firearms allowed then it is ok to carry concealed with your CCW or as they are called in NV, " Concealed Firearms Permit".

From what I see, the NV law doesn't say that.

If a 'no gun' sign is posted and you 'violate' that, that is a matter between you and the building owner - the sign has no legal force.

Now, if the building owner somehow detects you're CCWing, he could ask you to leave - and if you refuse and continue to stay, then there are trespassing issues.

But I see no violation of NV law to CCW in a place with 'no guns' signs - there seems to be no equivalent to Texas' "30.06" signs.

Bill Wiese
San Jose

imported_Stevie
08-18-2005, 7:25 AM
The owner always has the right to ask anyone to leave a building whether armed or not. The class i had taken, while "hearsay", the instructor stated pretty much what i said above. If not posted, you are allowed to carry into building other than where not allowed by law, this includes banks and casinos. If you are ID'd as carrying, its up to management/owner whether to kick you out.

delloro
08-18-2005, 8:47 AM
Originally posted by bwiese:
If a 'no gun' sign is posted and you 'violate' that, that is a matter between you and the building owner - the sign has no legal force.

Now, if the building owner somehow detects you're CCWing, he could ask you to leave - and if you refuse and continue to stay, then there are trespassing issues.

you are trespassing as soon as you walk into a hotel that forbids you to enter. you are forbidden to enter if you are carrying and the sign says you cannot. this is not a matter of "not being illegal if you don't get caught."

why must you break the rules of a private establishment? why can't you just start packing in the car? why can't you find a hotel that does not forbid carrying? think how much safer you would be there. that's the point, right?

P.S. don't forget to take a bunch of towels while you are there. take them from the cart so nobody knows, that makes it OK. it's only stealing if you get caught, they ask you to return them, and you refuse, right? http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

bwiese
08-18-2005, 10:45 AM
No, I prob wouldn't do biz with hotel/casino that had a no-guns sign.

And, no, I don't steal towels. Costo is far better anyways for bulk fresh white towels http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The Fitzgerald thing was interesting because I didn't see the sign until my GF called it out to me when we we'd just exited hotel to load up. Upon reentry to hotel (for breakfast) on side entrance I saw no no gun sign - seems it was only in casino area.

Bill Wiese
San Jose

delloro
08-18-2005, 10:55 AM
No, I prob wouldn't do biz with hotel/casino that had a no-guns sign.

that's the high road, IMHO. but make sure you tell them, though, the more business they know they are losing, the more likely they are to make the right decision and take those signs down.

BTW I apologize for my above post, I had forgot the exact details of your original post and thought you were intending to ignore a hotel's policy, not that you noticed the signs after the fact.

my trespassing analysis will still be correct unless trespassing is a specific intent crime in NV.

bwiese
08-18-2005, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by delloro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">No, I prob wouldn't do biz with hotel/casino that had a no-guns sign.

that's the high road, IMHO. but make sure you tell them, though, the more business they know they are losing, the more likely they are to make the right decision and take those signs down.

BTW I apologize for my above post, I had forgot the exact details of your original post and thought you were intending to ignore a hotel's policy, not that you noticed the signs after the fact.

my trespassing analysis will still be correct unless trespassing is a specific intent crime in NV. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No apologies needed! I don't yet have a NV CCW.

Bill W
San Jose