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advocatusdiaboli
10-10-2009, 3:04 PM
I was there this afternoon to look at used consignment doubles (beautiful Caesar Guerini 12 Gauge but not the right barrel length (wanted 28 it is 30).

The girls working the counter had no clue about the bill at all and knew nothing about the situation even thought they were selling shot shells and shot guns as well as shooting sessions.. So of course, most of the customers there had no idea--"What fingerprinting to buy shot shells?" Etc. Etc.

If there is anyone in the South Bay near there that has collateral to get over there--please drop it off although it is pretty late to find this out in the last hour. Wish I'd have known and I would have taken something with me. Incredible they don't know about it--maybe some there do but no one working today did. I would have thought they'd have spread to word to all who work there, club members, and customers as well. I am surprised that a sporting clays club would be in that position. Really surprised.

Librarian
10-10-2009, 3:40 PM
Augh! That's very painful to hear!

Isn't there a thread around where we were trying to gather the places which should get information?

advocatusdiaboli
10-10-2009, 4:18 PM
Augh! That's very painful to hear!
I am going to join the club so I'll work hard to make sure this doesn't happen again--I will take that responsibility.

sn't there a thread around where we were trying to gather the places which should get information?
Could be, I am a clueless newbie and I couldn't find it. In addition, I figured (perhaps wrongly) at this late hour that a separate post was more useful to get attention. I am still just shocked they were not covered in the intensive mobilization. There were over 50 people there--some shooting clays and some for a hunter safety course. Talk about missed opportunity!

n2k
10-10-2009, 4:21 PM
Augh! That's very painful to hear!

Isn't there a thread around where we were trying to gather the places which should get information?

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AjuDXQ308KnodElUQ0thLUNlMTNWZG9QQ3ViRFpnU Xc&hl=en

advocatusdiaboli
10-10-2009, 4:36 PM
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AjuDXQ308KnodElUQ0thLUNlMTNWZG9QQ3ViRFpnU Xc&hl=en

Thanks--I had no idea. Memo to self: tell moderators/big cheese that info is hard to locate-especially if needed quickly or if the person is new to the forum. Come with suggestions to make better use of Web 2.0 for our causes.

advocatusdiaboli
10-10-2009, 4:49 PM
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AjuDXQ308KnodElUQ0thLUNlMTNWZG9QQ3ViRFpnU Xc&hl=en

Thanks--I had no idea. memo to self: tell moderators/big cheese that info is hard to locate-especially if now. Come with suggestions to make better use of Web 2.0 for our causes.

Librarian
10-10-2009, 4:50 PM
Well, let's repurpose this for a bit.

Having a distinct lack of imagination in some areas, it never occurred to me that Hunter Safety Courses and their instructors would be good places/people to give information. So, here's DFGs list of classes, locations and contact info: http://www.dfg.ca.gov/huntered/classes.aspx

"The California Department of Fish and Game conducts training throughout the state. Each year approximately 30,000 students complete the state's ten-hour minimum hunter education course. "

Probably too late for 962, but next time... Perhaps 30,000 invitations to join Calguns would be helpful.

Here's a related organization: http://www.cahuntereducation.org/

Here's a small organization, http://www.caldeer.com/index.html, that has managed to raise $2 million since 1996.

The California Outdoor Heritage Alliance is already on board: http://www.outdoorheritage.org/legislative.php#140 but I suspect we could get some mutual aid there.

They include in their umbrella :
California Outdoor Heritage Alliance
California Waterfowl Association
Delta Waterfowl
California State Chapter, National Wild Turkey Federation
Mule Deer Foundation
California Deer Association
California Houndsmen for Conservation
National Open Field Coursers
Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation
Wilderness Unlimited
Wilderness Unlimited Foundation
Kids Outdoor Sporting Camp
Sportsmen in Labor Coalition
Golden Ram Inc.
Suisun Resource Conservation District
U.S. Sportsmen’s Alliance
Mendocino County Blacktail Association
Garcia’s Hunting Preserve
Black Points Sports Club
California Hawking Club
Red Bank Outfitters
Westervelt Ecological Service
California Bowmen Hunters/State Archery Association
California Retriever Training Association
Lower Sherman Island Duck Hunters Association
Sportsmen’s Council of Central California
Golden Gate Chapter, Safari Club International
Pheasants Forever, Yolo County Chapter
Northern San Joaquin Chapter, Safari Club International
The Black Brant Group
Tulare Basin Wetlands Association
California Chapter, North American Wild Sheep Foundation

Any Calgunners members in these? Wildhawker, are they on your list (PM sent)?

ETA - I didn't know about the spreadsheet either; must have missed it. Thanks!

advocatusdiaboli
10-10-2009, 4:56 PM
Add Coyote Valley Sporting Clays to list. I will cover them and distribute our collateral.

I know some of you don't like my positions on things--so be it--I am not changing because you disagree with me--you have to convince me you are right and then I'll come along. Until then, no sale. We aren't all the same and the Founders sometimes even hated each other for a time (Jefferson and Adams for instance) but we agree to disagree on those--we are united in firearms rights let's unite on that. I am there for us all on that issue. Let's work with that.

wildhawker
10-10-2009, 5:46 PM
The flyer thread was stickied at the top of 2A; that sometimes works against us.

obeygiant
10-10-2009, 7:19 PM
Add Coyote Valley Sporting Clays to list. I will cover them and distribute our collateral.

I know some of you don't like my positions on things--so be it--I am not changing because you disagree with me--you have to convince me you are right and then I'll come along. Until then, no sale. We aren't all the same and the Founders sometimes even hated each other for a time (Jefferson and Adams for instance) but we agree to disagree on those--we are united in firearms rights let's unite on that. I am there for us all on that issue. Let's work with that.

advocatusdiaboli, this ^^^ is something you and I can both agree on, welcome to the fight.

obeygiant
10-10-2009, 7:24 PM
Well, let's repurpose this for a bit.

Having a distinct lack of imagination in some areas, it never occurred to me that Hunter Safety Courses and their instructors would be good places/people to give information. So, here's DFGs list of classes, locations and contact info: http://www.dfg.ca.gov/huntered/classes.aspx

"The California Department of Fish and Game conducts training throughout the state. Each year approximately 30,000 students complete the state's ten-hour minimum hunter education course. "

Probably too late for 962, but next time... Perhaps 30,000 invitations to join Calguns would be helpful.

Here's a related organization: http://www.cahuntereducation.org/

Here's a small organization, http://www.caldeer.com/index.html, that has managed to raise $2 million since 1996.

The California Outdoor Heritage Alliance is already on board: http://www.outdoorheritage.org/legislative.php#140 but I suspect we could get some mutual aid there.

They include in their umbrella :
California Outdoor Heritage Alliance
California Waterfowl Association
Delta Waterfowl
California State Chapter, National Wild Turkey Federation
Mule Deer Foundation
California Deer Association
California Houndsmen for Conservation
National Open Field Coursers
Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation
Wilderness Unlimited
Wilderness Unlimited Foundation
Kids Outdoor Sporting Camp
Sportsmen in Labor Coalition
Golden Ram Inc.
Suisun Resource Conservation District
U.S. Sportsmen’s Alliance
Mendocino County Blacktail Association
Garcia’s Hunting Preserve
Black Points Sports Club
California Hawking Club
Red Bank Outfitters
Westervelt Ecological Service
California Bowmen Hunters/State Archery Association
California Retriever Training Association
Lower Sherman Island Duck Hunters Association
Sportsmen’s Council of Central California
Golden Gate Chapter, Safari Club International
Pheasants Forever, Yolo County Chapter
Northern San Joaquin Chapter, Safari Club International
The Black Brant Group
Tulare Basin Wetlands Association
California Chapter, North American Wild Sheep Foundation

Any Calgunners members in these? Wildhawker, are they on your list (PM sent)?

ETA - I didn't know about the spreadsheet either; must have missed it. Thanks!

I'll add them to the spreadsheet and any others you or anyone else comes up with. There has been quite a bit learned in this first effort and I think that future engagements will be executed in a very swift and smooth action.

I think the next time around we will have the knowledge and infrastructure to attack these bills from the top down rather than having to fight from the bottom up. All in all though I think considering the time frame, the volunteers and funds we made a very successful run of the state of CA.

wildhawker
10-10-2009, 8:02 PM
Guys, you did a hell of a lot in a very short time. One more day to make sure those two go into the Veto pile.