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AgentAK
10-08-2009, 1:23 PM
Okay, so I've been thinking about buying a Garand and see that the CMP has service grade S.A.'s for $599. I'd love to be able to buy one locally, but everyone seems to be selling a CMP service grade for around a thousand bucks.
My question is this; Are the CMP rifles (direct from the CMP) that much inferior to the CMP ones that people are selling?

ke6guj
10-08-2009, 1:30 PM
My question is this; Are the CMP rifles (direct from the CMP) that much inferior to the CMP ones that people are selling?nope.

Basically you are paying for the priveledge of immediate gratification (not having to wait the 3-6 months), and not having to jump through the CMP hoops (as minimal as they are) if you buy a CMP rifle from a private party.

AgentAK
10-08-2009, 1:32 PM
That's exactly what I wanted to know! Thank's! I can wait to save $500.00! In fact, I could have TWO!

erblo
10-08-2009, 9:43 PM
FYI, CMP Garands are getting shipped in about 2-3 months.

AgentAK
10-09-2009, 8:12 AM
FYI, CMP Garands are getting shipped in about 2-3 months.

That's not so bad...
I have family that lives about an hour from Anniston, does anyone know if I can have someone go pick one out for me?

TRICKSTER
10-09-2009, 8:32 AM
That's not so bad...
I have family that lives about an hour from Anniston, does anyone know if I can have someone go pick one out for me?

This link may answer your question.
http://www.odcmp.org/new_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=75945

AgentAK
10-09-2009, 9:04 AM
This link may answer your question.
http://www.odcmp.org/new_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=75945

Very cool! Look's like it would be the way to go! Thank's for the info!

Jarhead
10-09-2009, 5:45 PM
you will get hooked, I see CMP rifles at Gun Shows all the time for 1K plus for the same rifle - cleaned / dolled up to impress. Better to be patient and get it from CMP. Recommed you get this book and a few of the others to pass the time away, M1 Garand-M14 Shop Manual, by Jerry Kuhnhausen ( Fulton Armory ).

Here's a few sites you may find interesting:
http://www.billricca.com/m1_m14.htm
http://www.m1garandrifle.com/
http://www.chestnutridge.com/products/garand.asp
http://www.nicolausassociates.com/M1_Garand.htm
http://www.scott-duff.com/
https://www.northcapepubs.com/#anchor285559
http://www.brucecanfield.com/
http://www.fulton-armory.com/

RudyN
10-09-2009, 7:29 PM
I have a M1 Garand, a M1 Carbine and a M1903A3 all from CMP and it was worth the wait to get them all. As far as I am concerned CMP is the way to go.

campperrykid
10-10-2009, 3:55 AM
Great info:

you will get hooked, I see CMP rifles at Gun Shows all the time for 1K plus for the same rifle - cleaned / dolled up to impress. Better to be patient and get it from CMP. Recommed you get this book and a few of the others to pass the time away, M1 Garand-M14 Shop Manual, by Jerry Kuhnhausen ( Fulton Armory ).

Here's a few sites you may find interesting:
http://www.billricca.com/m1_m14.htm
http://www.m1garandrifle.com/
http://www.chestnutridge.com/products/garand.asp
http://www.nicolausassociates.com/M1_Garand.htm
http://www.scott-duff.com/
https://www.northcapepubs.com/#anchor285559
http://www.brucecanfield.com/
http://www.fulton-armory.com/

CMP sells M1 Carbines as well.
Bill Ricca sells re-prints of the old military shop manuals , plus parts, tools & gear. One of the most knowledgable Garand/ M1 Carbine guys in the world. He has been on the wrong end of a Garand ( RVN) .
The two best ( IMO ) first 2 books to buy:
" The M1 Carbine Owner's Guide " by Larry L. Ruth w/ Scott Duff.
" The M1 Garand Owner's Guide " by Scott A.Duff.

The ROKs plan to release around 640,000 US made Carbines over the next 10 years or so. That should stabilize prices. Great news for most of us.

Bad news for people who bought 10 CMP Carbines a year to sell at scalper prices later.

:p

Jarhead
10-10-2009, 2:48 PM
IF the ROK Carbines are in usual S. Korean shape the will be rough, never seen a Carbine or Garand that were not rough - CMP is still the BEST buy - just my opinion for what I have seen.

RaceDay
10-10-2009, 2:56 PM
nope.

Basically you are paying for the priveledge of immediate gratification (not having to wait the 3-6 months), and not having to jump through the CMP hoops (as minimal as they are) if you buy a CMP rifle from a private party.

+1 to that. It astounds me that people will spend so much more rather than meet the CMP requirements. Go shooting and get the RO to sign your form. You are already at the range... yeesh. Or even shoot a match or just use a C&R if you have one. The other stuff like copy of passport and notary ($10 once every 3 years) are easy.

I think my second to last CMP gun is the nicest (HRA SG). But my latest purchase was the best deal-- SG Winchester Garand that looks a little rough but also came with Winchester stock and bbl and an uncot op rod. I hit the lottery on that one.

campperrykid
10-11-2009, 7:31 AM
Won't get any argument out of me about CMP:
IF the ROK Carbines are in usual S. Korean shape the will be rough, never seen a Carbine or Garand that were not rough - CMP is still the BEST buy - just my opinion for what I have seen.
CMP is the best deal in town. Good prices , great customer service , and every dime of profit goes into into future support for shooting in the US.

I also have to admit that the Blue Sky M1 Carbine that I hand picked in New York ( Middletown/OrangeCounty/Newburgh area ) back in 1989 or so had some really beat-up wood. It had been re-parked in US. It turned out to be a very good shooter with a little work , but the stock was a total loss.
I'll post about another Blue Sky some other time.

Dr.Mauser
10-11-2009, 11:27 PM
Since we're on the CMP topic, Im thinking about getting me an M1 Carbine from them, but i dont understand the process that they "require" should i wait or buy one locally?

ke6guj
10-11-2009, 11:35 PM
Just follow the eligibilty requirements, http://www.thecmp.org/eligibility.htm
And fill out the order form, http://www.thecmp.org/pdfs/OrderForm1_09Fill.pdf

Its not that hard, join a CMP-affiliated club like CRPA, http://www.crpa.org/ , do some shooting, get your order form notarized and send in the order with your $$$. Wait ~3 months for the Fedex driver to deliver your carbine to your door.

Dr.Mauser
10-12-2009, 4:33 PM
im only 19 can i still have the M1 sent to me or do i haveto go through a dealer?

Sheldon
10-12-2009, 4:39 PM
All their rifles are sent direct to the buyer via Fed Ex.

ke6guj
10-12-2009, 4:40 PM
If you comply with the eligibiltiy requirments, it will be sent directly to your door.

lineman66
10-12-2009, 4:54 PM
think in about 30 years we'll see some "surplus" M16's from the Vietnam Era on the CMP website? :p

scratch
10-12-2009, 5:00 PM
think in about 30 years we'll see some "surplus" M16's from the Vietnam Era on the CMP website? :p

Yep, just like the surplus M1a...:(

Jarhead
10-12-2009, 5:42 PM
never happen, be happy with just parts kits

Jarhead
10-12-2009, 5:47 PM
Since we're on the CMP topic, Im thinking about getting me an M1 Carbine from them, but i dont understand the process that they "require" should i wait or buy one locally?

Buy CMP you will get a nice looking weapon for less the cost, worth the wait.
http://www.thecmp.org/orderinginfo.htm
http://www.thecmp.org/m1carbine.htm

campperrykid
10-17-2009, 4:41 PM
If not from CMP , then somewhere else:
think in about 30 years we'll see some "surplus" M16's from the Vietnam Era on the CMP website? :p
Times change. It's possible.
Back in 1994 , I never expected to own an AR , or an AK , much less two VZ58's.
8 years ago , nobody expected CMP to release significant numbers of M1 Carbines ever again. Over the last 5 years CMP has sold almost 40,000 M1 Carbines.
One way or another , 640,000 Carbines are to be released by South Korea over the next 10 or 11 years. There are more in Thailand.

M16A1's ? Sure -- as parts kits or rebuilds with new recievers. It's in the cards.

Agustav
10-19-2009, 8:06 PM
How about some M-14?

Too bad they can't remove the select fire feature... :68:

Rukus
10-19-2009, 9:18 PM
So I'm still a little confused, If you have an 03FFL can you order from CMP or is it JUST for affiliated members?

dezertrat
10-19-2009, 9:29 PM
So I'm still a little confused, If you have an 03FFL can you order from CMP or is it JUST for affiliated members?

C&R will meet part of the requirements but not all

http://www.thecmp.org/eligibility.htm

froman118
10-21-2009, 7:50 AM
So I'm still a little confused, If you have an 03FFL can you order from CMP or is it JUST for affiliated members?

Just join the CRPA or Garand Collectors Association and you'll be good to go. Only other hoop to jump through is getting your signature notarized on the second page of the order form. My credit union did it for free.

Ron-Solo
10-21-2009, 8:51 PM
I LOVE my CMP Garand. My carbine arrives tomorrow and I ordered it Aug 25th

Eat Dirt
10-21-2009, 9:50 PM
I LOVE my CMP Garand. My carbine arrives tomorrow and I ordered it Aug 25th

Did you get some ammo with it ?

mls343
10-22-2009, 8:45 AM
I'm thinking about getting one. Is there a trick to selecting a certain grade to get better rifles? I know it sounds like a silly question, but are there huge differences between each grade levels? Is there any recommended grade that you guys would suggest for someone who wants a nice shooter but looks nice too?

Thanks,
Mike

Milsurp Collector
10-22-2009, 9:04 AM
I'm thinking about getting one. Is there a trick to selecting a certain grade to get better rifles? I know it sounds like a silly question, but are there huge differences between each grade levels? Is there any recommended grade that you guys would suggest for someone who wants a nice shooter but looks nice too?

Thanks,
Mike

If you are going to order by mail and take "luck of the draw", order a Service Grade to minimize the chance of disappointment. If you can go to one of the two stores (Alabama or Ohio) and can examine the rifles in person

http://www.odcmp.com/images/StoreAL/Pics/05_20_124orest_std.jpg
http://www.odcmp.com/images/StoreAL/Pics/05_20_24orest_std.jpg

then you might find a Rack or Field Grade that is nice, but if you mail in an order for a Rack or Field Grade and take luck of the draw, you might be disappointed. It will be a good shooter, but probably not so pretty. Or, you can get a Rack or Field Grade and fix it up, perhaps with a new stock.

If you have the money, you can wait until Correct Grades are available again next year.

These are my CMP rifles. They are all Service Grade except the HRA M1 in the center, it's a Correct Grade

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/CMPrifles/e6de879d.jpg

Darklyte27
10-22-2009, 9:10 AM
really like my correct grade its awesome.
be sure to buy some ammo too.

mls343
10-22-2009, 9:25 AM
Well, nowhere near Ohio or Bama, so it looks like correct grade is the way to go.

That is one sweet Grand!

Thanks for the advise, guys!

Ron-Solo
10-22-2009, 9:29 PM
Did you get some ammo with it ?

Got some Garand ammo but didn't have enough $$ to order .30 carbine, now they're not taking orders. :(

But my carbine is even nicer than the Garand. I LOVE the CMP. Gonna order another rifle when I get the $$$$,

The carbine took 2 months exactly from the date I mailed the order. :D

Eat Dirt
10-22-2009, 9:50 PM
2 Things ::

Mr. Collector...Where did you get the pictures of the Racks of Garands ?
Now I need to clean up all the drool of my keyboard !!

Mr. Solo: You need to come out my way ( Hemet )and we can have a Garand and Carbine shoot

ke6guj
10-22-2009, 9:56 PM
2 Things ::

Mr. Collector...Where did you get the pictures of the Racks of Garands ?
Now I need to clean up all the drool of my keyboard !!
Per the url to the pics, it appears to be pictures of CMP's alabama location. Pics are hosted by the CMP.

Milsurp Collector
10-22-2009, 10:22 PM
2 Things ::

Mr. Collector...Where did you get the pictures of the Racks of Garands ?
Now I need to clean up all the drool of my keyboard !!

Per the url to the pics, it appears to be pictures of CMP's alabama location. Pics are hosted by the CMP.

That's correct. More pictures at http://www.odcmp.com/Photos/ALStoreOpen2/index.html

http://www.odcmp.com/Photos/ALStoreOpen2/slides/06_01_22.JPEG
http://www.odcmp.com/Photos/ALStoreOpen2/slides/06_01_26.JPEG

Eat Dirt
10-22-2009, 10:28 PM
Like the guy says in the mattress adds::

"" You're Killing Me Larry ""

Ross
10-23-2009, 2:45 PM
Just shot my service grade with some Greek surplus. At 100 yds with my left hand atop two 4x4s for stability, I was doing better than 2 MOA. Actually felt more confident with it than my Remington 700 (30.06) and a Leupold 3-9x40 scope.

Anybody have about 50rds of some ballistic tip, 150 grain, ball ammo?