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Variable2147
10-07-2009, 1:39 PM
I need a light and durable rifle for hunting that I can also shoot at least a 1MOA grouping at 100yds.

I am looking for .308 or better.

At or under 7.5lbs

I am fairly sold on either the remington sps tactical (20" bull barrel) or the remington sps with the 24" barrel. My only concern is: at what range do the extra 4 inches come into play as far as velocity for a kill shot? Both are plenty accurate

But if there are other rifles better suited for my purposes in the $600 range, I'm open to suggestions as long as they fit the weight and accuracy and cartridge criteria.

Uriah02
10-07-2009, 1:45 PM
My brother has a SPS tactical and I got the SPS with a 24" heavy barrel. The 20" is heavy, I would think too heavy for hunting if you plan on hiking a fair amount. Keep in mind it is 7.5 lbs empty, consider with scope and bipod, you'll likely have a 9-10lbs setup. For hunting if you are stuck on the 700, I'd suggest the VTR (http://www.snipercentral.com/vtr.htm). It is around 800 (the SPS Tac was $610), but the fluted barrel will keep the weight down.

5150Marcelo
10-07-2009, 1:46 PM
Hands down... Tikka T3 Lite.

Most accurate rifle outta the box. Adjustable 2-4lb trigger. Very light.

Just ditch the rings they come with and get yourself an EGW rail and some nice rings.

B Strong
10-07-2009, 1:47 PM
I need a light and durable rifle for hunting that I can also shoot at least a 1MOA grouping at 100yds.

I am looking for .308 or better.

At or under 7.5lbs

I am fairly sold on either the remington sps tactical (20" bull barrel) or the remington sps with the 24" barrel. My only concern is: at what range do the extra 4 inches come into play as far as velocity for a kill shot? Both are plenty accurate

But if there are other rifles better suited for my purposes in the $600 range, I'm open to suggestions as long as they fit the weight and accuracy and cartridge criteria.

I don't think the SPS will come in at your weight w/optics.

I'd try to find a good condition Remington 788 - you should be able to find one for under your budget w/o optics.

If you're going to be hunting on the plains in Wyoming I'd say got for a longer barrel, but if you find something good with a 20" tube, it wouldn't be a hinderance.

dfletcher
10-07-2009, 2:30 PM
I have a 788 carbine - that's a pretty good choice. Might also look at the CZ 550. I have a few of those and accuracy on all of them is great.

Will the 20" bull barrel Rem 700 come in under 7.5 lbs?

Variable2147
10-07-2009, 2:48 PM
ok the Tikka looks good thanks Marcelo.....

its on gunbroker buy it now for $515 but not in .308

where would be a good place to look for a tikka t3 lite?

to uriah, your sps should be .25lbs lighter than your brothers. do you think the 24" sps like yours is too heavy for my uses also?

Variable2147
10-07-2009, 2:48 PM
thanks to all for your input

ar15barrels
10-07-2009, 3:38 PM
Will the 20" bull barrel Rem 700 come in under 7.5 lbs?

No.

ChrisO
10-07-2009, 3:45 PM
I have a SPS varmint in in .308 in a HS stock badger 20 MOA base and leupold MK4 rings and a MK4 scope and I hunt deer with it sometimes, Lighter is better but it's not to bad and I feel very confident on where I can place my rounds with it.

BigBamBoo
10-07-2009, 3:55 PM
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ar15barrels
10-07-2009, 4:11 PM
Here are my two...one with the short barrel is in .243 the other is .243

So you have two in 243?
What makes you choose one over the other when you are going afield?

swerv512
10-07-2009, 6:38 PM
I have a remington 700 sps in 308 and it's plenty light and can still shoot nice looking groups... plus it's a 700- what more do i have to say.

badtrout
10-07-2009, 6:49 PM
I have a remington 700 sps in 308 and it's plenty light and can still shoot nice looking groups... plus it's a 700- what more do i have to say.

I agree - of course mine is just a tad on the heavy side (.308 with 26" heavy barrel) - I should work out more.

I have heard/read a lot of good things about Tika - and the fact that they are less expensive is a good selling point. My next bolt action might be a Tika (after the wife cools down about the M1a I just got)

mh2291
10-07-2009, 11:11 PM
i have the steyr scout .308 20 inch barrel only 6-7 lbs without scope . i think this is very good for hunting

swerv512
10-08-2009, 4:09 AM
I agree - of course mine is just a tad on the heavy side (.308 with 26" heavy barrel) - I should work out more.

You're thinking of a different model- i'm speaking of the regualr SPS in 308 with the sportster barrel.... But i should still work out more :p

redcliff
10-08-2009, 7:33 AM
Another option is the Weatherby Vanguard sub-moa.http://www.weatherby.com/_images/products/rifles/vanguard/profile/large/vanguard_submoamatte.jpg

It won the Field and Stream shootout for most accurate factory rifle.

ChrisO
10-08-2009, 7:56 AM
Yeah the vanguard is twice as much as a 700, I would rather have a 700. Honestly one inch groups is way more than sufficient for a game rifle. The SPS will get you there, I use my heavy barreled 700 as I said but only SOMETIMES other than that I use one of the other 700's not in the heavy barrel category or a ruger MKII M77 in 30-06 even that gun holds under a inch with crappy ammo.

rksimple
10-08-2009, 9:43 AM
For your given criteria, the tikka fits the bill. Cheaper would be the SPS, but not finished quite as nicely. More upgrade potential, but you probably won't be doing much of that on a hunting rifle.

HUTCH 7.62
10-08-2009, 11:44 AM
Rem 700 30-06 or .300winmag

QEU
10-08-2009, 11:54 AM
If you can find the Remington 700 LVSF in 308, go for it.

7lb, 22in, fluted, w/ HS Precision stock, pillar bedded.

Variable2147
10-08-2009, 12:18 PM
thanks again to all....i have much respect for the 700 and no matter what will own one eventually but i think the tikka lite is the rifle for me. unless someone knows of a lighter rifle that is still accurate and reasonably priced?

now for a new thread.....270 vs. .308 poll....maybe i'll put it in the hunting forum.:D

ChrisO
10-08-2009, 12:24 PM
I have hunting and long range rifles in many calibers the 270 is a great caliber, It all really depends on what you plan on hunting? A 243 is a great round not to be over looked, I see to many macho men in the woods using a 300 win mag for tiny whitetail and mediocre mulies that miss because they are afraid of the beating the rifle is going to give them. My dad has put more meat on the table with his 243 and I have only seen one deer get away from it and he was in full rut, He definitely died but it was raining and we tracked for hours no luck. I like using my .308 for what I do it's a superb caliber that and .243.

ChrisO
10-08-2009, 12:26 PM
Oh and to add My brother has a tikka T3 lite in 300WSM we had to replace the rings because the recoil beat them loose every time and he is having a hell of a time getting it on paper, It needs a break on it the recoil is far to much for how light the gun is.

Uriah02
10-08-2009, 12:27 PM
ok the Tikka looks good thanks Marcelo.....

its on gunbroker buy it now for $515 but not in .308

where would be a good place to look for a tikka t3 lite?

to uriah, your sps should be .25lbs lighter than your brothers. do you think the 24" sps like yours is too heavy for my uses also?

the typical SPS in 24" would be lighter but I got it with the 5R Milspec barrel putting the raw weapon weight just over 8lbs, plus my optics it is way to heavy to carry around imo.

mds2004
10-08-2009, 12:28 PM
thanks again to all....i have much respect for the 700 and no matter what will own one eventually but i think the tikka lite is the rifle for me. unless someone knows of a lighter rifle that is still accurate and reasonably priced?

now for a new thread.....270 vs. .308 poll....maybe i'll put it in the hunting forum.:D

What are you hunting? .308 should be sufficient enough for most bigger game and ammo is easier to find in a pinch.

ChrisO
10-08-2009, 12:44 PM
What are you hunting? .308 should be sufficient enough for most bigger game and ammo is easier to find in a pinch.

I don't know about easier to find any place that would stock .308 wouldn't fail to stock .270 it's a classic it's like a store not carrying 30-06. If anything .270 would be easier to find because everyones buying up the .308.

Variable2147
10-08-2009, 3:42 PM
I don't know about easier to find any place that would stock .308 wouldn't fail to stock .270 it's a classic it's like a store not carrying 30-06. If anything .270 would be easier to find because everyones buying up the .308.
I'm not really worried about availability or price or ability to take game. But I hear the .270 has a better trajectory, but the .308 has a more predictable and easier to calculate on the fly trajectory....IE: zero at 200yds means +1 inch at 100yds and -2inches at 300 yds.

Any other reasons to choose .270 over .308 or .308 over .270?

rksimple
10-08-2009, 3:47 PM
308 is short action, 270 is long...if that matters to you. Availability of both will be a non issue as they are equally common when it comes to hunting fodder. The 270 has better trajectory with the right bullets. For your purpose, either would serve you well. If I were to go long action, I'd go 30-06, but thats just me.

devildog999
10-08-2009, 4:10 PM
700 is a great rifle. That's what I would get

Variable2147
10-08-2009, 7:18 PM
700 is a great rifle. That's what I would get

I will buy one eventually....probably for a tactical/deer-stand type rifle

ChrisO
10-08-2009, 7:38 PM
As rksimple put it both will serve you well ammo availability won't be a issue in any major caliber, If it were me though long action would be a 30-06 or 300 win mag over 270 hands down. If I were you Id opt for the short action.243 or .308.

Variable2147
10-09-2009, 1:39 PM
As rksimple put it both will serve you well ammo availability won't be a issue in any major caliber, If it were me though long action would be a 30-06 or 300 win mag over 270 hands down. If I were you Id opt for the short action.243 or .308.
The entire tikka t3 line is long action, so that's a non issue. I'm leaning towards 270 for trajectory and greater effective range although I'm sure 308 is effective beyond my abilities....for now

Greg-Dawg
10-09-2009, 1:42 PM
K98 or Rem 700.

Army
10-09-2009, 5:27 PM
Geez people! Nothing beats a Savage out of the box...NOTHING.

Well inside your cost limits:
http://www.savagearms.com/11fxp3.htm

God Bless The Mauser
10-09-2009, 5:32 PM
K98 or Rem 700.

This.

ChrisO
10-09-2009, 5:41 PM
The entire tikka t3 line is long action, so that's a non issue. I'm leaning towards 270 for trajectory and greater effective range although I'm sure 308 is effective beyond my abilities....for now


My mistake I was thinking remington 700 I forgot we were talking about tikka, realistically what range are you thinking you're going to be taking game? Do you know what type of work goes into make accurate long range shots? Do you reload? All of these are factors to think about when you're considering going with one round over another for extended distances. Personally I don't think any of the rounds suggested will hinder you're ability to make shots at distance but more so you're abilities might, some people think "im going to get a 300 Win mag instead of a .243 so I can nail deer 4 mountains away." easier said than done, gotta know you're D.O.P.E.

corporateslave
10-09-2009, 5:58 PM
Go with the Tikka T3. Definitely the best gun in your price range.

Variable2147
10-09-2009, 6:11 PM
My mistake I was thinking remington 700 I forgot we were talking about tikka, realistically what range are you thinking you're going to be taking game? Do you know what type of work goes into make accurate long range shots? Do you reload? All of these are factors to think about when you're considering going with one round over another for extended distances. Personally I don't think any of the rounds suggested will hinder you're ability to make shots at distance but more so you're abilities might, some people think "im going to get a 300 Win mag instead of a .243 so I can nail deer 4 mountains away." easier said than done, gotta know you're D.O.P.E.
I do reload, and this will be my first rifle for distance groups...I'm shooting sub-moa at 100yds with my accuracy systems mini14, but I want to move further downrange and I don't want to obliterate any little california deer, but I want to be able to hunt bigger game at greater distances next year in Texas.

I know either one would be fine, but its still a decision to make.

Afterburnt
10-09-2009, 6:21 PM
Tikka T3 Lite. Very light weight. Sub MOA...mine will shoot sub 1/2" groups when I do my part. Triggers are very good and very easy to adjust. Removable mag. And the price...around $500.00 for a blued model and $75-100 more for a SS model.

Take care,Stan

Here are my two...one with the short barrel is in .243 the other is .223:

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8572/shooting280large.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/i/shooting280large.jpg/)

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/1869/shooting250large.jpg (http://img203.imageshack.us/i/shooting250large.jpg/)

BBB what shell carries are those?

"Play dead, good coyote"