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ar15barrels
10-07-2009, 11:41 AM
I ran into this link:

http://www.aroundthecapitol.com/Bills/AB_962

Is that text correct?
Has the bill really been gutted down to just fingerprints for handgun ammo and no handgun ammo sales unless face-to-face?

This seems like a retailers dream.
Are the NSGA and NSSF supporting this bill?

wash
10-07-2009, 11:43 AM
Yeah, that's right but it's still a pain in the *** if you mail order your ammo.

bwiese
10-07-2009, 11:56 AM
I ran into this link:

http://www.aroundthecapitol.com/Bills/AB_962

Is that text correct? Has the bill really been gutted down to just fingerprints for handgun ammo and no handgun ammo sales unless face-to-face?

This seems like a retailers dream. Are the NSGA and NSSF supporting this bill?

Randall,

Unsure if that's the final bill up for vote/veto by Gov: the actual 'enrolled' bill, with Legislative Counsel's digest, is at

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_0951-1000/ab_962_bill_20090921_enrolled.html

1. Yep, the bill's orig. face-to-face limit of 50rds, etc. was amended out shortly before passage. Perhaps DeLeon & crew were trying to bait support (or lack of opposition) from non-NRA/CRPA gun groups.

2. It does include reloading componentry (at least bullets).

3. Publicly, NSSF's arm in CA, CAFR, is opposing this. NSSF has sent email blasts too. Unsure if CAFR is making noise about this trying to restore their reputation, etc.... but their puzzling behavior about trivial SB41 'mouse bait' indicates their ability to understand how we "play ball" in CA is limited.

4. Although this is currently really a mail-order ammo bill with some dress-up about prohibited persons/minors, the infrastructure is in place to easily drop in a few lines banning or severely limiting F2F private sales/transfers.

ar15barrels
10-07-2009, 12:06 PM
Unsure if that's the final bill up for vote/veto by Gov: the actual 'enrolled' bill, with Legislative Counsel's digest, is at

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_0951-1000/ab_962_bill_20090921_enrolled.html

2. It does include reloading componentry (at least bullets).

That's what I thought too.
The last time I read it, there was components wordage, yet the version I linked above had no such wordage.
That's why I wondered if there had been further changes since the last time I read it.

bwiese
10-07-2009, 12:24 PM
That's what I thought too.
The last time I read it, there was components wordage, yet the version I linked above had no such wordage.
That's why I wondered if there had been further changes since the last time I read it.

Right now IIRC it just has mail order bullet ban, but until I digest the wording further, I do wonder about status of other ammo componentry [brass, powder, primers, shot, wad, etc.]

There are other problems with this law (outside RKBA) on a Federal basis that can kill it in court. If Chuck, Jason, Alan, or Don get bored at lunch break they can take it on (if passed).

Let's not get there, let's shut the sum***** down.

Cali-V
10-07-2009, 1:09 PM
Right now IIRC it just has mail order bullet ban, but until I digest the wording further, I do wonder about status of other ammo componentry

[B]There are other problems with this law (outside RKBA) on a Federal basis that can kill it in court. If Chuck, Jason, Alan, or Don get bored at lunch break they can take it on (if passed).

Let's not get there, let's shut the sum***** down.


I'm sure those with market interests, would be willing to help with such a fight...

bohoki
10-12-2009, 11:44 AM
hmm to me and a marlin camp 9 "9mm parabellum" is a rifle ammo

but to the ar-pistol users .223 is handgun ammo