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Shooter9696
10-01-2009, 11:43 PM
Am I missing some amazing link or FAQ?

I'm looking for a blog/site/post named something like "So, you're building your first AR." Or some site that walks me through all of the steps and components needed.

I own a G19, Rem 700 in .223 and a Rem 870. These purchases happened about a year ago and I'm ready to own another... The EVIL black rifle... dun dun dunnnnnnnn.


Alright onto the fun...

Why a Stag vs a LMT or any upper vs other upper? Or lower vs. lower? I get the different barrel lengths for uppers and flat tops but what about build quality?

Is there a site/blog/etc where all the CA legal options are discussed? Where I can truly compare?

I understand the legality issues...
1. Certain models are illegal.
2. Must have a bullet button or a monster grip or U15 stock.
3. 10 round mags only.

Component wise... fill me in

1. Lower- machined aluminum
2. Upper - barrel
3. Stock
4. Bullet Button
5. Magazine



Have mercy on me... My first build.


Update...

Well I found this...

http://www.midwayusa.com/Static/ar-15VarmintRifleInstructions.aspx

pacrimguru
10-02-2009, 1:06 AM
welcome, here are some resources to read through:

ten percent firearms sums up the AR thing really well here:
http://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/index.php?main_page=ar15

also, jicko's got a nice write up for newbies here:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=56818



read up on calguns, ask questions, buy your first AR... then buy many more after that. they are wonderful things.

AndrewMendez
10-02-2009, 1:26 AM
http://www.calguns.net/OLL/assembly.html

http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

Thats should be a good start. We are getting out of the rush, so dont be afraid to look for a good deal! Lowers are basically cosmetic only, check out the calguns Lowers. They are 179 and 20 bucks goes to the foundation! Are you thinking about doing a featureless build, which has no evil parts, with a monster man grip or U15, you can then get around the BB Thing. Or do you want to have the detachable flash hider, pistol grip etc. Uppers, your going to get what you pay for. What do you plan on using the rifle for? HD, Range, Specifically long range?

fliparch
10-02-2009, 7:25 AM
I think Calguns is a great resource for information you will need for your first build. There are tons of writeups, charts and topics if you do a search. The only bad part is you'll have to READ. I know it took me at least a month to sort through all the information I found here. I printed them up and re-read and then I started reading other people's build to get some ideas and took parts from their build and built my own. I'm really happy with mine and I'm sure if you follow the great advices and tools we have here you'll soon have your EBR. Good luck and happy reading.

coop44
10-02-2009, 8:44 AM
I suspect AR stands for anal retentive. So, clench you cheeks real tight and get ready to either spend a ton of cash on parts little better than GI, or, don't listen to all the experts and master AR smiths. Buy a couple of TM's a wrench and a headspace gauge. And just build your own. Are you really ready to spend a grand extra to have a rifle that shoots sub moa instead of moa.

aplinker
10-02-2009, 11:34 AM
You mean like what's in my signature below?

Write Winger
10-02-2009, 2:16 PM
Where's the best deal for a complete upper receiver? Anything for like $400-450 anywhere? Website?

bondmid003
10-02-2009, 2:39 PM
Where's the best deal for a complete upper receiver? Anything for like $400-450 anywhere? Website?

For that price your pickings are pretty slim. Honestly buy cheap, buy twice. I'd recommend spending around 700-800 for a quality upper and save yourself the headache later

To the OP, check out the links provided above. That being said alot of the differences in uppers around the same price range is just personal preference (for which I would read customer reviews). The only real difference (in my opinion) you're going to find in uppers is when you start comparing uppers in the $700 range to uppers in the $1000+ range.

Greg-Dawg
10-02-2009, 3:31 PM
Decide on what format you'd like to build it: M16 or M4 style.

Variable2147
10-02-2009, 4:10 PM
For that price your pickings are pretty slim. Honestly buy cheap, buy twice. I'd recommend spending around 700-800 for a quality upper and save yourself the headache later

To the OP, check out the links provided above. That being said alot of the differences in uppers around the same price range is just personal preference (for which I would read customer reviews). The only real difference (in my opinion) you're going to find in uppers is when you start comparing uppers in the $700 range to uppers in the $1000+ range.

you dont have to jump from $450 to $750...

stags aren't bad you can get em in stock at riflegear.com. model 2H with sights is $530, or a flat top model 3 without sights for $465

DK9mm
10-02-2009, 6:43 PM
Where's the best deal for a complete upper receiver? Anything for like $400-450 anywhere? Website?



Try this: http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=378

Shooter9696
10-03-2009, 9:27 AM
You mean like what's in my signature below?

Yes. Exactly :)

Gigan
10-03-2009, 10:57 AM
http://www.calguns.net/OLL/assembly.html

http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

Thats should be a good start. We are getting out of the rush, so dont be afraid to look for a good deal! Lowers are basically cosmetic only, check out the calguns Lowers. They are 179 and 20 bucks goes to the foundation! Are you thinking about doing a featureless build, which has no evil parts, with a monster man grip or U15, you can then get around the BB Thing. Or do you want to have the detachable flash hider, pistol grip etc. Uppers, your going to get what you pay for. What do you plan on using the rifle for? HD, Range, Specifically long range?

Where can I check out the calguns lowers?:o
Found it N/M

Gigan
10-03-2009, 11:32 AM
Whats the significance of 'Multi" on the lower. I am new to the AR thing sorry, Been reading threads but nothing yet.

DK9mm
10-03-2009, 11:54 AM
Whats the significance of 'Multi" on the lower. I am new to the AR thing sorry, Been reading threads but nothing yet.

Having Multi on the lower just lets you know that you can use .223 or 5.56.

Plus it IMO it looks better.

tomd1584
10-03-2009, 12:53 PM
Whats the significance of 'Multi" on the lower. I am new to the AR thing sorry, Been reading threads but nothing yet.

It doesnt restrict you at all in terms of what caliber upper you actually use.

Justintoxicated
10-03-2009, 2:04 PM
Having Multi on the lower just lets you know that you can use .223 or 5.56.

Plus it IMO it looks better.

5.56 also measnd you can use .223, multi would be nice for a 22lr upper though

mds2004
10-03-2009, 2:13 PM
Here is a cheaper upper that does not have a bad rep. http://www.dsarms.com/DSA-ZM4-Forged-7075T6-A3-AR15-Upper-Receiver---DSZM4CBU/productinfo/DSZM4CBU/

You will still have to find a BCG for about $120 and a charging handle for $15-20.

Vinz
10-03-2009, 3:44 PM
heres a good start too.....lucky for you, prices are stabilizing.

http://usautoweapons.com/pgs/AdditionalCatalogShowItem.php?ID=17562&PG=cat&q=
Vinz

Shooter9696
01-20-2010, 1:55 AM
Update...

I bought a stag lower last weekend and will pick it up this Friday.

I put an order in today with midway for a stock, parts kit, hogue grip, sling, recoil pad and stubby vert grip.

I play on picking up and upper (preferably stag) once I find a deal or sell a few items to fund the project...

Thanks for everyone's thoughts, advice, etc... I'm already considering a 22 upper. :)

sytfu_RR
01-20-2010, 9:39 AM
Update...

I bought a stag lower last weekend and will pick it up this Friday.

I put an order in today with midway for a stock, parts kit, hogue grip, sling, recoil pad and stubby vert grip.

I play on picking up and upper (preferably stag) once I find a deal or sell a few items to fund the project...

Thanks for everyone's thoughts, advice, etc... I'm already considering a 22 upper. :)

Don't forget a maglock if you're going with a Centerfire upper ( 556/223, 762, etc )

But if you're going to use the 22LR upper then you're GTG.

Shooter9696
01-22-2010, 8:32 PM
Yes. I'm planning on a Raddlock and after doing some reading... reconsidering the Stag upper.

Leaning towards a used LMT...

I like the Stag 2HT look, length, etc... hmmmm....

aplinker
01-22-2010, 11:02 PM
Yes. I'm planning on a Raddlock and after doing some reading... reconsidering the Stag upper.

Leaning towards a used LMT...

I like the Stag 2HT look, length, etc... hmmmm....

BCM? Daniel Defense?

Shooter9696
01-23-2010, 3:34 AM
I like this BCM, but outta stock...
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-M4-14-5-Upper-Receiver-Group-A2X-MI-T10-p/bcm-urg-m4-14%20a2x%20mit10.htm

The DD's are out of my price range.

bigian
01-23-2010, 7:54 AM
I could be wrong but if you're in Cali, you want a 16" barrel, the one in the BCM link is only 14.5"...

mds2004
01-23-2010, 9:11 AM
I could be wrong but if you're in Cali, you want a 16" barrel, the one in the BCM link is only 14.5"...

The 14.5" is only as long as the flash hider will be made permanent.

aplinker
01-23-2010, 10:15 AM
I like this BCM, but outta stock...
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-M4-14-5-Upper-Receiver-Group-A2X-MI-T10-p/bcm-urg-m4-14%20a2x%20mit10.htm

The DD's are out of my price range.

They're not out of your price range.

Go to PK Firearms.

They're not true "DD uppers," but they still have the good barrels.

Shooter9696
01-24-2010, 1:10 PM
aplinker - I really appreciate your Nooby link. It helped a lot.

I'm leaning towards... Daniel Defense 16 Inch M4 barrel with YHM Diamond Rail and Flip-up Front Sight (http://www.pkfirearms.com/content/1/20/122/163) The 6th one down.

I'm also leaning towards a spikes tactical .22 conversion kit.

Shooter9696
01-24-2010, 1:12 PM
I could be wrong but if you're in Cali, you want a 16" barrel, the one in the BCM link is only 14.5"...

Yes, the link I posted specifically said "permanent flash hider" 16.1 inches all in. If they were in stock... I'd be poor.

aplinker
01-24-2010, 1:15 PM
aplinker - I really appreciate your Nooby link. It helped a lot.

I'm leaning towards... Daniel Defense 16 Inch M4 barrel with YHM Diamond Rail and Flip-up Front Sight (http://www.pkfirearms.com/content/1/20/122/163) The 6th one down.

I'm also leaning towards a spikes tactical .22 conversion kit.

get the DD mid-length.

Shooter9696
01-24-2010, 1:20 PM
The one for $800?

Cokebottle
01-24-2010, 1:36 PM
I'm leaning towards... Daniel Defense 16 Inch M4 barrel with YHM Diamond Rail and Flip-up Front Sight (http://www.pkfirearms.com/content/1/20/122/163) The 6th one down.

I'm also leaning towards a spikes tactical .22 conversion kit.
That's a Carbine length gas system with only a 7" rail.
On a 16" barrel, I'd go with a midlength and a longer rail (4th one down, $800). I wouldn't consider a carbine gas system unless I were dropping down to a 14.5" barrel (with permanent FH).

But honestly... those are all 1/7 twist barrels. Unless you're going to be shooting the heavier ammo (65-77+), I would stick with a 1/9 twist, or at the most 1/8.
It cuts down your available options, but the 1/7 will overspin the lighter ammo.

Keep in mind that a 55gr bullet will be stabilized by a 1/12 (and I would not recommend 1/12). The 1/9 is good for the cheaper 55's, but will still stabilize the heavier 62-65gr rounds.

If you're considering a .22lr conversion, you definitely don't want to fire those little 35gr rounds through a 1/7 barrel.... they'll stabilize in a 1/16!

Personally, I'm probably going to be biting the bullet and springing the extra bucks for an 18" LaRue.

Game Time
01-24-2010, 7:03 PM
get the DD mid-length.

Took a look at your link in your sig but I didn't see anything about type of barrel as far as standard or barrel, forged, hammer. What is the difference?

Game Time
01-25-2010, 7:35 AM
Anyone on standard barrel vs. barrel, forged, hammer? Besides the difference in price. Pro/cons?
Standard
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-16-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-mid-16.htm
BFH
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-BFH-16-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-mid-16%20bfh.htm