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Scorpiusdeus
10-01-2009, 3:28 PM
For general battle/defense type scenario?

I'm curious to know what some of the better .308/7.62x51 rounds are that are commercially available. I have no Geneva Convention restrictions like the military and this would be for use in various battle rifles such as PTR-91, M-1A, and maybe an FN-FAL.

Requiem
10-01-2009, 3:33 PM
If you get 7.62 ammo you'll prolly get Geneva convention accordance ammo. I want to say m80 ball is the standard 147 grain (or so) for 7.62 NATO but that might be for .30-06, someone please correct me if I'm wrong. IF you're doing .308 you can get expanding-on-impact ammo but m1a's aren't advised to have .308 be put thru them. For my m1a I handload, and buy milsurp ammo. M14tfl.com will help you inthe ammo bunker section if you got more q's.

Black Majik
10-01-2009, 3:38 PM
Jason,

You looking for a SHTF stash, or commercially bought ammo such as WWB 147 gr. .308?

As of right now, for just stocking up it is tough to beat South African 147gr. battlepacks. Works great in the various battle rifles: FAL, M1A, M14, PTR-91, AR-10..

All the Aussie and Portuguese stuff were my favorite, but they've seemed to have completely dried up.

5ohguy
10-01-2009, 3:45 PM
Really any reliable 308 will do the job in a battle situation.

For HD situation I'd want a round to control penetration as much as possible. Something like a soft skinned game round for rapid expansion or frangible rounds.

Then again though, a .308 is not a great go to weapon for HD. I'd much rather have a 12 gauge shotgun with #1 buck. Unless you live out in the country of course.

Pryde
10-01-2009, 3:58 PM
7.62x51 made in Germany and Austria are well known for their fragmenting properties due to having thin steel jackets. I'm not positive but I am pretty sure there is still a good amount of West German .308 out for sale.

Blademan21
10-01-2009, 4:03 PM
In your M1A,depending on the headspace you can shoot 7.62x51 and .308. My SOCOM's headspace(1.6315) allows me to shoot either round. Hope that helps.

B Strong
10-01-2009, 4:05 PM
For battle rifles, milsurp ball is effective and reasonably affordable.

For a precision rifle, Federal GM match/Black Hills or equivalent reloads with 168 or 175 grain SMK slugs.

97F1504RAD
10-01-2009, 4:06 PM
Be careful with the South African Ammo in the PTR91 apparently the newer rifles have major FTE issues with that ammo. In fact PTR is only recommending the use of Federal AE and Remington UMC . I have heard that the Portuguese has no issue though. Here is a link to PTR's site with the ammo info.

http://www.ptr91.com/techinfo.html#ammunition

swerv512
10-01-2009, 4:29 PM
my M1A loved ADI- Australian Defense surplus. it came in vacuum sealed packages. havent seen any lately, but then again i havent been looking. if you find it, you'll be back for more!

UBFRAGD
10-01-2009, 4:53 PM
I'm counting on Hornady Tap 308 Win 168gr TAP FPD's to drop tangos from my semi-auto's. As accurate as anything else and this round makes gallon water jugs just turn into instant, brief showers.

Another hard-hitting round that I like to keep stocked up is Federal's Power-Shok 180-gr soft-points. Can be found at shows and shops for a decent price and also seems to cause gallon water jugs to explode 25' feet in the air. Federal Fusion 150gr's are also pretty deadly. I'm down to my last few boxes of Federal Premium gold Medal 168grHP BT and that makes me nervous.

Miwall used to have great prices on Winchester 308 Win 168gr HP BT match CXP2 and I bought a bunch, only have 4 or 5 boxes left. I'm assuming those would be pretty deadly on the battlefield. Wal-Mart usually stocks Winchester 308Win 180gr power-points and I'm sure those would turn most enemy chests into an instantly fatal gaping hole.

I've got another huge stash of reloaded 308 Win 168gr BTHP and I'm guessing charlie would hate to taste those too.

"optimum"

It looks like my battlefield choices are commercial factory hunting loads that have been proven over and over taking deer.

Desert_AIP
10-01-2009, 5:18 PM
Hornady 155 TAP

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#.308

-- At this time the Hornady 155 TAP offers outstanding accuracy nearly on par with SMK’s, as well as more consistent terminal performance, better incapacitation potential and superior performance through glass intermediate barriers than SMK’s; as a result, the Hornady 155 gr TAP using the polymer tip AMAX bullet is the probably best general purpose choice for LE snipers. BH also loads AMAX bullets. The Nosler 150 gr Ballistic Tip PT, Hornady and Nosler 155 gr OTM, Federal 165 gr TRU JHP, Sierra Game Kings, and Weapons Unlimited Hostage Rescue JHP also work well.


http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Misc_Images/DocGKR/308_TAP_comparison.jpg

xibunkrlilkidsx
10-01-2009, 5:29 PM
For battle rifles, milsurp ball is effective and reasonably affordable.

For a precision rifle, Federal GM match/Black Hills or equivalent reloads with 168 or 175 grain SMK slugs.

i shot the 147gr out of my 700. cheap and effective for practice.