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Saym14
10-01-2009, 9:26 AM
Berkeley first city to report to UN
The Associated Press
Posted: 09/30/2009 09:03:19 AM PDT
Updated: 09/30/2009 09:03:20 AM PDT


BERKELEY, Calif.óBerkeley city council members have sailed into international territory, voting to comply with United Nations human rights treaties.
The council voted unanimously Tuesday to have unpaid interns report on the city's compliance with treaties on civil liberties, racial discrimination and torture.

U.N. officials say the famously liberal-leaning city would be the first in the country to submit compliance records. Councilman Max Anderson says he wants Berkeley to be an inspiration to other communities.

Measure supporters say it's possible Berkeley doesn't meet U.N. standards. They cite homelessness, school achievement and John Yoo, a law professor at the University of California, Berkeley, who as a Justice Department lawyer co-wrote legal memos that critics say were used to justify the torture of suspected terrorists.

Suvorov
10-01-2009, 9:35 AM
and John Yoo, a law professor at the University of California, Berkeley, who as a Justice Department lawyer co-wrote legal memos that critics say were used to justify the torture of suspected terrorists.

What about John Yoo's human/civil rights? :confused:

Oh, that's right, the NeoCom(unist)s only care about the rights of those who agree with them. :rolleyes:

Manic Moran
10-01-2009, 12:51 PM
Doesn't that come under the terms of 'foreign relations', which is Constitutionally restricted to the Federal Government?

NTM

POLICESTATE
10-01-2009, 12:55 PM
Berkeley is run by junkie-lovers, nut-jobs and traitors. Obama needs to send in the National Guard and straighten them out :43:

Glock22Fan
10-01-2009, 12:58 PM
Berkeley is run by junkie-lovers, nut-jobs and traitors. Obama needs to send in the National Guard and straighten them out :43:

But, surely Berkeley and Obama are made for each other?

POLICESTATE
10-01-2009, 12:59 PM
But, surely Berkeley and Obama are made for each other?

Yes that does present a bit of a conundrum doesn't it?

Suvorov
10-01-2009, 12:59 PM
Doesn't that come under the terms of 'foreign relations', which is Constitutionally restricted to the Federal Government?

NTM

Since when has the Constitution gotten in the way of these people :confused:

LiberalGunner
12-19-2009, 6:05 PM
I know America is sovereign, but I don't see the problem with voluntarily complying with the UN - or more specifically, making an effort to meet minimum UN standards of the UN human rights treaties. Many of you are blanket opposed to this, without even knowing what the treaty contains. Why is this leftist?

We wait for a UN resolution before going into Iraq, so obviously we give their opinion some weight. Notice berkeley didn't say to codify UN law, but simply to report on compliance. What's the fear with being in step with the rest of the civilized world?

dustoff31
12-19-2009, 6:24 PM
Meh, it's Berkely. What do you expect?

Moreover, who cares what Berkely does? They are hardly a part of CA, much less the US.

GrizzlyGuy
12-19-2009, 6:26 PM
I actually don't see any problem with this, so long as they are voluntarily complying with an international treaty, and their doing so doesn't violate the constitutional rights of their citizens. If they were signing on to an international treaty as a party, that would be a no-go since only the Federal government has the constitutional power to do that.

It really is a question of sovereignty: the citizens are sovereign, and 10A says:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

If the sovereign people of Berkeley want to voluntarily comply with a UN treaty, and California law doesn't prohibit them from doing so, then so be it, that is that their right.

a1c
12-19-2009, 6:30 PM
I actually don't see any problem with this, so long as they are voluntarily complying with an international treaty, and their doing so doesn't violate the constitutional rights of their citizens. If they were signing on to an international treaty as a party, that would be a no-go since only the Federal government has the constitutional power to do that.

It really is a question of sovereignty: the citizens are sovereign, and 10A says:

If the sovereign people of Berkeley want to voluntarily comply with a UN treaty, and California law doesn't prohibit them from doing so, then so be it, that is that their right.

Exactly. Nothing to see here. Plus, it's not the first time the Berkeley city council makes the news with goofy stuff.

Colt-45
12-19-2009, 11:54 PM
Meh, it's Berkely. What do you expect?

Moreover, who cares what Berkely does? They are hardly a part of CA, much less the US.

hahahah I second that.

HCz
12-20-2009, 12:03 AM
Plus, it's not the first time the Berkeley city council makes the news with goofy stuff.

Yup. Just look at Marines in Berkeley segement from The Daily Show.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-march-10-2008/marines-in-berkeley

berto
12-20-2009, 12:04 AM
The Berkeley City Clowncil is a group of head in the clouds nutjobs who would rather create grand yet meaningless political theatre than deal with the serious and very real issues facing the city.

cortayack
12-20-2009, 12:17 AM
I know America is sovereign, but I don't see the problem with voluntarily complying with the UN - or more specifically, making an effort to meet minimum UN standards of the UN human rights treaties. Many of you are blanket opposed to this, without even knowing what the treaty contains. Why is this leftist?

We wait for a UN resolution before going into Iraq, so obviously we give their opinion some weight. Notice berkeley didn't say to codify UN law, but simply to report on compliance. What's the fear with being in step with the rest of the civilized world?

LOL......Baby steps, baby steps.....We are already ahead of the civilized world by 200 years. Its called the Constitution! How only if the people in this Country would know it and demand their politicians and Government obey it.

PonchoTA
12-20-2009, 9:39 AM
Doesn't that come under the terms of 'foreign relations', which is Constitutionally restricted to the Federal Government?

NTM

Yup. I think Eric Holder should bring the city of Berzerk-ley up on charges of treason or sedition for this.

But he won't. He's just as stupid as his boss.

.

davescz
12-20-2009, 9:46 AM
I know America is sovereign, but I don't see the problem with voluntarily complying with the UN - or more specifically, making an effort to meet minimum UN standards of the UN human rights treaties. Many of you are blanket opposed to this, without even knowing what the treaty contains. Why is this leftist?

We wait for a UN resolution before going into Iraq, so obviously we give their opinion some weight. Notice berkeley didn't say to codify UN law, but simply to report on compliance. What's the fear with being in step with the rest of the civilized world?

Much of the world is NOT civilized, much of the member nations of the UN are uncilvilized and do not reconnize our Rights. The UN has no Right of self defence, the right to Bear Arms. so the UN is dictorial and anti-civil rights.

If the UN was concerned about civil rights, they would kick out and punish most nations. not a peep from the UN on the abuses of islam towards females, nor the abuses of communism. did not Hugo Chaevz address the UN conferance on climate change (a ploy to tax the United States), saying in so many words that capitalism is dead? he got a standing ovation. thats the UN for you. the UN also caused us to wait with teh war in Iraq, giving sadam more time to hid his stuff and prepare. the UN actually supported saddam (Oil for Food, or more like oil for saddams friends) remeber saddam started teh war by invading Kuwait, we pushed him back and being overly nice, stopped, cease fire and then saddam kept shooting at our planes, he broke the cease fire, and teh Un tired to protect him, the guy you killed 100.000 of his own with torture, poison gas on his own people, a bloody war with iran, and the invasino of kuwait, and still the UN wanted to protect him and not have America remove him. thats the UN for you, one of the biggest supporters of saddam

the UN is full of the worlds worst leaders, and policies. there is nothing civilized about it.

Window_Seat
12-20-2009, 9:48 AM
This could (will) be the beginning of temperature controlled thermostats in the home, controlled by a bureaucracy, cameras in the home like in the UK, anyone care to name a few other radical ideas that govt would love to take up as a way of taking away as many of your freedoms as possible? Maybe trying to teach kids that 9/11 didn't happen? Sounds too radical? Just wait... Be ready to freeze in the winter & roast in the summer, all in the comfort of your "controlled home". Look on the bright side, if a car crashes into your garage, HELP will be on the way, real soon!:turned:

The Framers are TIG

Erik.

Swatguy10_15
12-20-2009, 9:58 AM
Think thats scary?? Check this out..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40

Swatguy10_15
12-20-2009, 10:01 AM
I know America is sovereign, but I don't see the problem with voluntarily complying with the UN - or more specifically, making an effort to meet minimum UN standards of the UN human rights treaties. Many of you are blanket opposed to this, without even knowing what the treaty contains. Why is this leftist?

We wait for a UN resolution before going into Iraq, so obviously we give their opinion some weight. Notice berkeley didn't say to codify UN law, but simply to report on compliance. What's the fear with being in step with the rest of the civilized world?


Youre here why? That treaty is all about stripping away the sovereign state of the US...Also noting the UN is the most corrupt organization on planet earth and is run by those looking to improve the lives of themself..Not the common good.

DK9mm
12-20-2009, 11:00 AM
Berkeley is run by junkie-lovers, nut-jobs and traitors. Obama needs to send in the National Guard and straighten them out :43:



Hmmmmmmmm.........:whistling:

LiberalGunner
12-20-2009, 12:16 PM
Youre here why? That treaty is all about stripping away the sovereign state of the US...Also noting the UN is the most corrupt organization on planet earth and is run by those looking to improve the lives of themself..Not the common good.

I too have been very upset with some of the INDIVIDUALS working for the UN and their behavior. But if the whole organization is so corrupt, why are they headquartered right here in New York? Why is the USA the single biggest financial contributor to the UN. The conservative president Bush didn't have any problem with this.

And how are sovereign rights being stripped away? Berkeley volunteered to try and adhere to UN treaties. There were no blue helmeted troops enforcing this. They recognized, as many more municipalities will, that the UN guidelines are some of the best and most well researched in the world, and decided to try and be good global citizens and attempt to live up to them. I cheer that.

GrizzlyGuy
12-20-2009, 12:26 PM
I too have been very upset with some of the INDIVIDUALS working for the UN and their behavior. But if the whole organization is so corrupt, why are they headquartered right here in New York? Why is the USA the single biggest financial contributor to the UN. The conservative president Bush didn't have any problem with this.

Bush is a neo-conservative, certainly not the kind of conservative that I want in office. This guy is more my style, writing way back in 2005 (http://www.antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=6304):

This week, Congress will vote on a bill to expand the power of the United Nations beyond the dreams of even the most ardent left-wing, one-world globalists. But this time, the UN power grabbers aren't European liberals; they are American neoconservatives who plan to use the UN to implement their own brand of world government...

Aegis
12-20-2009, 1:10 PM
I too have been very upset with some of the INDIVIDUALS working for the UN and their behavior. But if the whole organization is so corrupt, why are they headquartered right here in New York? Why is the USA the single biggest financial contributor to the UN. The conservative president Bush didn't have any problem with this.

And how are sovereign rights being stripped away? Berkeley volunteered to try and adhere to UN treaties. There were no blue helmeted troops enforcing this. They recognized, as many more municipalities will, that the UN guidelines are some of the best and most well researched in the world, and decided to try and be good global citizens and attempt to live up to them. I cheer that.

The entire organization is corrupt. There have been so many financial scandals with this organizations, it is hard to keep track. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not paying attention.

In fact, many conservatives in congress want the UN to move out of the country and to withhold funding until it cleans up its act. It is the liberals in congress who are the proponents of this corrupt and largely useless organization.

Rob454
12-20-2009, 3:23 PM
its berkley dude. That city is in its own little world where rainbows and fairie pixie dust sprinkles on everyone and everything is happy and joy joy.

Roadrunner
12-20-2009, 4:04 PM
I know America is sovereign, but I don't see the problem with voluntarily complying with the UN - or more specifically, making an effort to meet minimum UN standards of the UN human rights treaties. Many of you are blanket opposed to this, without even knowing what the treaty contains. Why is this leftist?

We wait for a UN resolution before going into Iraq, so obviously we give their opinion some weight. Notice berkeley didn't say to codify UN law, but simply to report on compliance. What's the fear with being in step with the rest of the civilized world?

BECAUSE IT'S NOT CIVILIZED! IT'S DEGENERATING INTO SOCIALIST OLIGARCHY'S THAT ARE SUBJUGATING THEIR CITIZENS MORE AND MORE.

You're kidding right? This country became a superpower in less than 200 years and has maintained that position for a very long time. People flock to this country from every corner of the world, and you want us to be like the places they ran from? Are you nuts?

The United Nations was a concoction of FDR and was supposed to bring the nations together in hopes of bringing them up to the standards of the United States, but instead it has become a malignant cancer on the world. In other words, it's a good idea in theory, but a bad idea in practice.

I'll tell you what, you can move to any part of the world you want and be just like them. Please take the rest of them with you that want to be like the rest of the world, and make room for those people stuck in the rest of the world who want to be like us.

xlimey
12-20-2009, 4:51 PM
With apologies to - and sympathy for - any Calgunners who live in B(es)erkeley, nothing that comes out of that place should surprise anyone. Berkeley is just a large, unfenced lunatic asylum...

gbp
12-20-2009, 4:59 PM
i am sure that bajerkly would report directly to iran if only they would ask, and think it the right thing to do. but something tells me that noone is interested in their spew.

kick Z tail out
12-20-2009, 5:04 PM
i am sure that bajerkly would report directly to iran if only they would ask, and think it the right thing to do. but something tells me that noone is interested in their spew.
Haha, I'm sure you're right.

I wish they would report themselves to the bottom of the Pacific Ocean.

TripleT
12-20-2009, 8:39 PM
UN = The New World Order, simple as that. Berkley would of course be the first city as they can't wait to see our once great nation get what's coming to it. If you think this is innocent nuttyness, you underestimate the errosive forces that would love set aside our Constitution in favor of a One World Government where the illgotten riches of the Americans can be distributed to every third world nation on earth. It's coming and "progressive" cities like Berkley are the first detectable tumors of the cancer within.

kick Z tail out
12-21-2009, 5:33 AM
UN = The New World Order, simple as that. Berkley would of course be the first city as they can't wait to see our once great nation get what's coming to it. If you think this is innocent nuttyness, you underestimate the errosive forces that would love set aside our Constitution in favor of a One World Government where the illgotten riches of the Americans can be distributed to every third world nation on earth. It's coming and "progressive" cities like Berkley are the first detectable tumors of the cancer within.
So much truth in this post. The things that our own "countrymen" will do to damage the US is sickening.