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bigcalidave
09-30-2009, 9:30 PM
Just like the thread title says.
Obviously a 16" barrel/whatever muzzle device combo, how short has anyone made the rest of the rifle? Whats the shortest working buffer / stock measure out to be? (It's stupid that a RAW has to have a 16" barrel as well, but whatever).
Or what other options would there be for the shortest possible legal combo with a RAW?

Steve O
09-30-2009, 9:39 PM
what is RAW?

dachan
09-30-2009, 9:51 PM
I think if you've got a CA RAW, OAL can be less than 26" because the federal 26" minimum length can be measured with the stock extended or unfolded unlike CA which requires 30" OAL be measured with the stock collapsed or folded. For example, the Model B Uzi Carbine with a 16" barrel OAL with metal stock folded is 24", perfectly legal under fed law.

mds2004
09-30-2009, 9:59 PM
14.5 barrel with FH pinned to make it 16" + Ace entry?

ar15barrels
09-30-2009, 10:23 PM
what is RAW?

Registered
Assault
Weapon

It's a gun that were here in the state before 2000 and registered before the deadline.
Now that the federal AW ban has sunset, RAW's can have ALL the same features as free states.
No funky bullet button required.

ar15barrels
09-30-2009, 10:24 PM
I think if you've got a CA RAW, OAL can be less than 26" because the federal 26" minimum length can be measured with the stock extended or unfolded unlike CA which requires 30" OAL be measured with the stock collapsed or folded. For example, the Model B Uzi Carbine with a 16" barrel OAL with metal stock folded is 24", perfectly legal under fed law.

Federal SBR law allows the measurement to be done with the stock extended, but CA SBR law says it's measured with the stock collapsed or folded.
The state law is stricter than federal law.
No way around the 26" rule in CA.

aplinker
09-30-2009, 11:00 PM
Only thing that gets you under 32" is a collapsible stock, which would require a ZM weapons or bufferless (blowback) caliber weapon.

Steve O
09-30-2009, 11:37 PM
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Assault
Weapon

It's a gun that were here in the state before 2000 and registered before the deadline.
Now that the federal AW ban has sunset, RAW's can have ALL the same features as free states.
No funky bullet button required.

ooh duh....:rolleyes:

bigcalidave
10-01-2009, 8:13 PM
Oh well. That's what I was thinking. Unless there is a buffer less folding stock setup for less than 2k.

CHS
10-01-2009, 8:28 PM
Oh well. That's what I was thinking. Unless there is a buffer less folding stock setup for less than 2k.

Colt has a new stock that's both a side-folder and collapsible. It uses a buffer system similar to the GSE pistol buffer.

That should get you right at 26". It's a bad little stock, too.

bigcalidave
10-02-2009, 10:17 AM
Ooh. What no link ? Ok ill look. Thanks !

mds2004
10-02-2009, 10:20 AM
First google link I clicked....
http://www.defensereview.com/colt-sub-compact-weapon-scw-folding-stock-tactical-556-sbr-photos/

bigcalidave
10-02-2009, 2:34 PM
OMG!!!
I was on my phone, couldn't get the best pics. Now that I see it,
http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/AUSA_Colt_Defense_SCW_3_large.jpg
Is EXACTLY WHAT I WANT!! I like it. However I'm sure it costs a TON and I can't find anyone selling it anyways. Is that a military only piece?