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Skandy714
09-29-2009, 9:58 PM
I'm getting my first rifle this month but can't make a decision to which I should order...I been looking around at rifles and it came down to these two rifles. My first choice was the vz 58 but I hear ammo price can be exspensive, and I liked how the ak-74 doesnt have a bad recoil as the 7.62 x 39 on the vz58....basing on youtube videos..dont blame me I dont know anyone that own guns LOL...im total newb. This is going to be the rifle when zombies start attacking.

I just picked up this hobby so I dont know much bout guns, any advice about pro cons of each would help.

So basically I want something that is
cheap to shoot
good control.... and is there a BIG difference in controllability of ak74 than a vz58?
reliable
zombie killer

Ak-74
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct778.aspx
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct760.aspx
Im not sure whats the difference between the two...lol

Vz 58
http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/products/vz-58-rifles/sa-vz58-california-military/

Thanks in advance for any help!...and sorry for being sucha a newb LOL

1988
09-29-2009, 10:31 PM
The mentioned rifles are not for the same cartridge. It'd be easier to make suggestion if you can express your objectives.

Skandy714
09-29-2009, 11:09 PM
fixed it..i think

SPUTTER
09-29-2009, 11:10 PM
Between the two you mentioned, get the VZ58. One good reason is that it will be harder to find a place to shoot the AK74, because of the ammo that is currently available.

RolinThundr
09-29-2009, 11:22 PM
...My first choice was the vz 58 but I hear ammo price can be exspensive, and I liked how the ak-74 doesnt have a bad recoil as the 7.62 x 39 on the vz58....

Actually, the VZ 58 would have the cheaper, more readily available ammo. I can always find some 7.62x39 for cheap. If recoil is an issue, you already have your answer, find a CA compliant AK-74 or FFL that will work with you to make it CA compliant- and I've heard that Atlantic Firearms will be happy to help with that. I have an SKS and have to admit that the 7.62 does kick a bit, takes a little getting used to, but I do enjoy it. I don't know if this may help with your decision, but you can use the same AK/SKS stripper clips with the VZ 58, which makes reloading faster without the expense of buying a bunch of extra mags (not that you shouldn't have at least 2 or 3 spares)...I don't know if stripper clips are available for the AK-74.

1988
09-30-2009, 12:02 AM
cheap to shoot
Current 5.45x39 is still cheaper than 7.62x39, but if your range does not allow "Magnetic" bullets, then it's not an option.

controllability
5.45x39 has less recoil, and some AK74s have very good muzzle brakes which helps in better muzzle control.

reliable
They're both reliable. Both are being deployed around the world.

zombie killer
VZ58 to shoot 7.62x39. With the right type of bullet, the 7.62x39 is very potent at short range.


Personally, if I have to defend my home and my family with either VZ58 or AK74, I'd take the VZ58.

Skandy714
09-30-2009, 1:23 AM
Thanks everyone..now its even harder to make the decision lol. I guess if I get a muzzle break for the vz 58..the recoil wont be as badd?

Are there many ranges around oc/corona area that allows for magnetic bullets?

1988
09-30-2009, 8:16 AM
Thanks everyone..now its even harder to make the decision lol. I guess if I get a muzzle break for the vz 58..the recoil wont be as badd?


You'll learn to manage recoil. You can let the rifle slamming on your shoulder and that's how it hurts, or you can let your body absorbing the energy like a giant shock absorber. ;)

motorhead
09-30-2009, 9:19 AM
recoil? in a gas operated itermediate cartridge rifle? turnbolts in 06 and 8mm have recoil. women enjoy shooting aks because they lack recoil.

xrMike
09-30-2009, 12:36 PM
Another thing to consider: Nearly all available ammo for the AK-74 is corrosive military surplus, which means you'll have to clean your gun thoroughly, immediately after you use it, every time you use it.

Atlantic Firearms.com
09-30-2009, 3:17 PM
Yes we are offering bullet button installed on our fixed stock 74's and shipping with blocked mags to CA they are on sale now .

Homebuddy
09-30-2009, 6:55 PM
I have a avz 58 from czechpoint. I find the recoil neglible. It's light, riliable and quite accurate with the iron sights. I have no experience with the ak 74 though so I can't compare the two.

Wyseguy
09-30-2009, 7:43 PM
If you were talking about an AK47 vs vz58, than I would say go for the vz58 for sure, but against a AK74, that might be a closer one, but I'd still advise the vz58. While, yes the ammo is more expensive for now, the vz58 is just a better firearm. Lighter, more accurate than a 47, and milled. Not to mention other features that you can read about on Czechpoints website.

1forall
09-30-2009, 8:00 PM
I have the vz-58, just bought it but haven't shot it yet. These responses make me feel even more satisfied with my purchase.

Skandy714
09-30-2009, 8:01 PM
Yea I think I made my decision to order the VZ 58 after all...

but still ak-74 seems so easy to handle your surrounded by zombies..and fun too shoot..
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One last question about rifle barrel size, so the 16 inch excludes the muzzle break? or can I have a shorter barrel and have a muzzle break to make it 16 inch total.

Skandy714
09-30-2009, 8:03 PM
...i did the link wrong it was suppose to be this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rpa_BSoypw

Wyseguy
09-30-2009, 9:04 PM
If the barrel is shorter than 16 inches, you must permanently attach a muzzle brake that brings it to at least 16 inches, or it's considered an SBR.

lineman66
09-30-2009, 9:37 PM
Get the VZ58, you'll love the super comfy ergonomics and last shot bolt hold open (for idiots like me who otherwise will keep pulling the trigger :D), you don't have to unlock the mag to reload (buy cheap stripper clips for that!), and you'll have a unique (relatively compared to AKs and ARs) rifle that you'll treasure.

rogdigity
09-30-2009, 10:18 PM
i actually have my eye on an ak-74 type rifle because i like the ammo. its dirt cheap, its available, its cheap, its got good ballistics, oh ya and its CHEAP

lineman66
09-30-2009, 10:48 PM
Well...yes it's cheap now, but what happens when the surplus runs out? I'm not saying don't get one but if it's the only gun you have, then when there's an ammo shortage 5.45x39 won't be an easy caliber to find (you could just buy 10K rounds and store it) AK74s' are nice rifles, just saying that the VZ58 have many features the '74 do not. But in the end, each person always make their own choice.

Skandy714
09-30-2009, 11:12 PM
I just read from the czechpoints website that their coming out with a VZ58 in 5.56 by Christmas...now which would have better recoil lol.. and more affordable ammo?

1988
09-30-2009, 11:15 PM
I just read from the czechpoints website that their coming out with a VZ58 in 5.56 by Christmas...now which would have better recoil lol.. and more affordable ammo?

I'd love to see how the VZ in 5.56 stand against the venerable accurate ARs.