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Henry Hill
09-29-2009, 10:38 PM
One of these will be my first rifle.... What is the calgun general consensus on AK vs the AR? I've done a lot of research on AK's and which manufactures are quality and such but have not done much research on the AR, and I know how some of you guys LOVE your AR's. The cost of the gun will definitely be a factor in my future purchase as I am a college student.. And I know a quality AK can be had for quite less then a quality AR ( correct me if I'm wrong ) . I really like the look of the AK over over the AR but I know the AR definitely has some advantages such as accuracy.. So what is the general consensus on calguns? Which do you guys prefer? I'm sure this has been discussed plenty of times but I tried searching 'AK vs. AR' and such and came up with nada :D

Arteel
09-29-2009, 10:40 PM
Just get whichever you can afford now because chances are you'll own both eventually.

Fantasma
09-29-2009, 10:42 PM
The general concensus to these questions after being a member here or checking out many forums is usually this...


:beatdeadhorse5::beatdeadhorse5::beatdeadhorse5:

sspen003
09-29-2009, 10:43 PM
I HATE THESE

Joe
09-29-2009, 10:46 PM
The following is my personal opinion:

I think the AR is a better platform to start with. The AR offers many more options for a first rifle. Depending on which upper you choose you can completely change the purpose and feel of the rifle. Also, a pretty good starting AR can be had for about 900 bucks now. AK's are overpriced in california at the moment in my opinion. Most I see selling are going for like 600-900. Even if they're quality ak's and worth it, I think the money is better spent on an AR.

Barney Gumble
09-29-2009, 10:47 PM
Go to the blue menu bar underneath "CALGUNS.NET" at the top of your screen...on the right you'll see "CGN Google Search".

http://i33.tinypic.com/15fg9p5.jpg

Click on that, enter "ak vs ar", and hit "Search" and all your dreams will come true.

Noobert
09-29-2009, 10:48 PM
You will eventually own both. Guaranteed.

Federalist
09-29-2009, 10:51 PM
Just get whichever you can afford now because chances are you'll own both eventually.

+1

Be realistic about what you can afford today. After you finish school, hopefully you will have more disposable cash to buy some of the more expensive firearms you want.

Whatever you buy (even today), buy quality. But remember, quality does not necessarily mean more expensive. There are lots of quality items out there that are a good value too.

69Mach1
09-29-2009, 10:53 PM
I'm not getting in the middle of this. :)

Greg-Dawg
09-29-2009, 10:54 PM
Are you an American or Russian?

USA baby!!!

1lostinspace
09-29-2009, 10:58 PM
I prefer the AR47 or the AK15

Henry Hill
09-29-2009, 11:00 PM
. The AR offers many more options for a first rifle. Depending on which upper you choose you can completely change the purpose and feel of the rifle

Could you reiterate on this? What options ?



I doubt I'll ever really get into building my own rifles and such

Henry Hill
09-29-2009, 11:02 PM
Go to the blue menu bar underneath "CALGUNS.NET" at the top of your screen...on the right you'll see "CGN Google Search".

http://i33.tinypic.com/15fg9p5.jpg

Click on that, enter "ak vs ar", and hit "Search" and all your dreams will come true.


Thanks for enlightening me on this. Wish the regular search was this helpful!

Aleksei Vasiliev
09-30-2009, 1:29 AM
Buy a cheap AK, that way you won't mind as much if (when) you mess it up.

I guess you could also get a cheap AR (like this (http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/shop/?cart=1899046&cat=161&) through an interstate FFL (http://www.southernmichiganarms.com/index.php?main_page=page&id=4&zenid=oe57to0icd3rrapsam6tib57d1))?

djleisure
09-30-2009, 1:37 AM
I tried searching 'AK vs. AR' and such and came up with nada :D

Next time try searching "apples and oranges" - A healthy body needs both. ;)

SanSacto
09-30-2009, 2:21 AM
AK because it eats whatever x39 you feed it.

a1fabweld
09-30-2009, 5:33 AM
AR for sure. With an AR, you can build it over time with no special tools as you can afford parts. In my personal experience, the AR is way more accurate.

1988
09-30-2009, 8:09 AM
I love them both. They both have strength and weakness. AK for short range, and AR for further out.

happy_gunner
09-30-2009, 8:19 AM
I would choose the AR, like someone mentioned before, the AR is more universal, you can do more with it. Get a upper with 16" barrel you can play with CQB stuff, put a 24"+ upper with a scope you have a target rifle or varmint rifle. I do agree with the "buy whatever you can afford", all you gotta do is save up some money, easier said than done.

Bongos
09-30-2009, 8:21 AM
If you are looking for reliability in environments which involves lots of wind blowing dirt, sand or snow and your target is less than 200 yards: AK

If you are looking for semi-reliabilty in environments which involves lots of wind blowing dirt, sand or snow and your target is less than 500 yards: AR

Of course at 500 yards the 223 round does minimal damage, but at least you are able to hit the target.

Even with an accorized scoped bolt action 7.62x39, it is very hard to hit targets at 300 yards. Target is classified as human shaped torso shots

1988
09-30-2009, 8:28 AM
If you are looking for semi-reliabilty in environments which involves lots of wind blowing dirt, sand or snow and your target is less than 500 yards: AR

Of course at 500 yards the 223 round does minimal damage, but at least you are able to hit the target.


6.5 Grendel might extend the effective range out to 800 or more, and still on the same AR platform. ;)

rubber duckie
09-30-2009, 8:33 AM
buy both... i did.

B Strong
09-30-2009, 8:35 AM
In the U.S with the rules we have to live with, the AR platform.

The AK has it's charms, but you can't beat parts availability.

SVT_Fox
09-30-2009, 8:39 AM
I built two AKs years ago... was told they were easier, I just completed my first AR

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii135/SVT_Fox/_MG_3231.jpg

the AR was easy IMO, much more then the AKs, I had to demill and rivit them together, the switchable upper is COOL, no questions about that.

Bigballaizm
09-30-2009, 8:44 AM
I love them both. They both have strengths and weakness. AK for short range, and AR for further out.

I must agree with 1988! For the exact reasons. Also as previously stated, AK's will blast just about anything you feed it! AR's are sweet for yote smackin! (350yds +) :43:
So buy both & decide for your self! ;)

SVT_Fox
09-30-2009, 8:48 AM
model one sales is a great place to get quality in expensive uppers..

you can get a complete lower minus the stock for like 200, used model one upper will be maybe 300 max new 350, then stock of your choice, they run 30-400 for some reason ???? LOL

Variable2147
09-30-2009, 9:02 AM
As a fellow student, I'd say it depends on how much work you are willing to invest...it sounds like you are into AK's, sojust buy/build one of those. Building isn't that hard and it allows you to spread the cost over time. I work part time and go to school full time. I bought my first lower 2 years ago and sat on it. Then one month I bought a parts kit and the next month I bought my stock, and the next thing you know I'm a bolt carrier away from two fully functioning rifles. You could do the same with an AK

1988
09-30-2009, 9:26 AM
As a fellow student, I'd say it depends on how much work you are willing to invest...it sounds like you are into AK's, sojust buy/build one of those. Building isn't that hard and it allows you to spread the cost over time. I work part time and go to school full time. I bought my first lower 2 years ago and sat on it. Then one month I bought a parts kit and the next month I bought my stock, and the next thing you know I'm a bolt carrier away from two fully functioning rifles. You could do the same with an AK

I agree with DIY to save, but it's not that cheap if you're not willing to invest into tooling for AK build. You can build an AR with basic tools those you can find in your tool box, but the AK requires some specialty tools. Also, if you're not experienced with AK building, you might find yourself a nice piece of headache in DIY.

If I want to save on AK, I'd just buy a Saiga and do the simple conversions, one feature at a time.

ghost
09-30-2009, 9:30 AM
shoot both and then make your decision from there.

gregorylucas
09-30-2009, 9:40 AM
Man I thought nothing was left of that horse to beat.

Greg

ar15barrels
09-30-2009, 9:42 AM
Could you reiterate on this? What options ?

The AR action is modular.
You push out two pins by hand and you can change out the top half.
There are literally dozens of cartridges available if you like wacky stuff.
If you stick to common stuff, there's 223/5.56, 9mm, 6.8 SPC, 6.5 Grendel, 458 Socom, 50 Beowulf, 5.45x39, 7.62x39.
One gun can do many different things without buying another gun as the top halves are just parts.

An AK will only be chambered in the one cartridge that you buy it for, namely 7.62x39 or 5.45x39.
You would never be able to change that without building/buying a new gun.

Frijolito1988
09-30-2009, 9:44 AM
Who cares, you will get both eventually, and they will both hit man sized targets at 3-400 yards , and they will both go bang if properly maintained.

Rob Roy
09-30-2009, 9:49 AM
I like AR more for its ergo, accuracy, looks and modularity, but to depend on AK hands down.

reidnez
09-30-2009, 10:21 AM
It all depends on what you like and what you want to do. They're very different platforms and the relative pros and cons can be debated all year. Anybody who tries to categorically crown one rifle or the other as superior, is full of it.

Get as much range time as you can with both, and then decide which you prefer--or buy both.

And if you want a cheap and quality introduction to the world of AK's, buy my Saiga for $350!

-Reid

fliparch
09-30-2009, 11:10 AM
I bought an AR because I like the look, feel, reliability, fire power for what I need it for, accessories I could get for it, how easy I could get parts for it and I like that it's American made and our LEOs and Military use them.

WeekendWarrior
09-30-2009, 11:12 AM
WWRTW

SVT_Fox
09-30-2009, 11:25 AM
changing an AK barrel VS changing an AR upper



its NIGHT and DAY

ar15barrels
09-30-2009, 11:26 AM
Who cares, you will get both eventually, and they will both hit man sized targets at 3-400 yards , and they will both go bang if properly maintained.

Ah, but it's easier to hit hand sized targets at 3-400yds with an AR than an AK. :p

God Bless The Mauser
09-30-2009, 11:29 AM
Are you an American or Russian?

USA baby!!!

Says a Glock fan.

osis32
09-30-2009, 11:30 AM
I always wondered where that was. thanks
Go to the blue menu bar underneath "CALGUNS.NET" at the top of your screen...on the right you'll see "CGN Google Search".

http://i33.tinypic.com/15fg9p5.jpg

Click on that, enter "ak vs ar", and hit "Search" and all your dreams will come true.

thedrickel
09-30-2009, 3:47 PM
The AR action is modular.
You push out two pins by hand and you can change out the top half.
There are literally dozens of cartridges available if you like wacky stuff.
If you stick to common stuff, there's 223/5.56, 9mm, 6.8 SPC, 6.5 Grendel, 458 Socom, 50 Beowulf, 5.45x39, 7.62x39.
One gun can do many different things without buying another gun as the top halves are just parts.

An AK will only be chambered in the one cartridge that you buy it for, namely 7.62x39 or 5.45x39.
You would never be able to change that without building/buying a new gun.

Ha . . . that doesn't stop people. I know a few that have shot .223 out of a 7.62x39 AK.

SPUTTER
09-30-2009, 4:00 PM
Even with an accorized scoped bolt action 7.62x39, it is very hard to hit targets at 300 yards. Target is classified as human shaped torso shots

How is that so? Hitting torso sized targets at 300 yards with irons is not a problem with an AK.

ar15barrels
09-30-2009, 4:15 PM
Ha . . . that doesn't stop people. I know a few that have shot .223 out of a 7.62x39 AK.

I've seen the pictures.
I would not recommend it as a general practice.

Stanze
09-30-2009, 4:23 PM
Have both. Prefer the AK for SHTF. Coupled with my GLOCK 17, I know they are both going to work in hostile environment, with any ammo.

AR has it's pros: Lighter, more ammo, accurate at greater distance.

Depends on your priorities I guess. I have yet to experience a jam in my AK or GLOCK 17.

All my bad range days were AR related.

Josh3239
09-30-2009, 5:03 PM
I've had the opposite experiences.

swerv512
09-30-2009, 5:12 PM
:beatdeadhorse5: :beatdeadhorse5: :beatdeadhorse5: :beatdeadhorse5: :beatdeadhorse5:

5hundo
09-30-2009, 5:15 PM
I think there's been a half-dozen polls exactly like this in my short time on this forum... :rolleyes:

God Bless The Mauser
09-30-2009, 6:51 PM
I think there's been a half-dozen polls exactly like this in my short time on this forum... :rolleyes:

Calguns just wouldn't be Calguns without an active AR vs. AK thread going.;)

J_Rock
09-30-2009, 7:30 PM
Posting in a stupid thread.

4thSBCT
09-30-2009, 9:58 PM
I only buy weapons i can depend on with my life which is the ak and not the ar.

ghost
09-30-2009, 10:01 PM
Ha . . . that doesn't stop people. I know a few that have shot .223 out of a 7.62x39 AK.


i`ve actually seen this happen before.:eek:

CSACANNONEER
09-30-2009, 10:09 PM
AKs are not the best rifle for percision shooting or even timed competitions. They are reliable but, that's about all you can say about them. You can easily change almost anything on an AR and ARs can easily be made to shoot .5moa or better. I own ARs in calibers ranging from .22lr to 50BMG. I own an AK .22lr and ten (soon to be 11) in 7.62x39. Now, I do prefer my WASR22 (AK in .22lr) over my AR in .22lr but, thats it. I'll always prefer shooting ARs over AKs.

ar15barrels
09-30-2009, 10:16 PM
Posting in a stupid thread.

Post whore.

J_Rock
09-30-2009, 10:55 PM
Post whore.

Who's the post whore now? :rolleyes:

ar15barrels
09-30-2009, 11:07 PM
Who's the post whore now? :rolleyes:

You're just jealous because I'm a better post whore.

Josh3239
09-30-2009, 11:07 PM
I only buy weapons i can depend on with my life which is the ak and not the ar.

Then stop buying junk ARs. Feel free to troll AK47.net troubleshooting page and look at all the problems plaguing AKs. Isn't it amazing how any AK that was built here that doesn't work properly wasn't built properly but an AK build by some idiot terrorist in a cave who can't even read always builds them properly so they never break? Oh wait.... then all those Counter-Strike hackers would be wrong, nevermind keep drinking the "parts never break if they are part of and/or inserted into an AK and/or made for an AK" kool-aid.

dieselpower
10-01-2009, 7:47 PM
I am not going to read other peoples replies.

here is why I voted AR
NATO parts, NATO ammo
Multiple caliber with an upper swap
.223, 5.56, and .22lr out of the same barrel
part suppliers are like flys in a cow field
when the SHTF, parts will be very easy to find
accuracy counts
easy to modify with no experience required
you wont look like the guy I am trying to shoot.

Henry Hill
10-01-2009, 10:09 PM
I am not going to read other peoples replies.

here is why I voted AR
NATO parts, NATO ammo
Multiple caliber with an upper swap
.223, 5.56, and .22lr out of the same barrel
part suppliers are like flys in a cow field
when the SHTF, parts will be very easy to find
accuracy counts
easy to modify with no experience required
you wont look like the guy I am trying to shoot.

Best reply, strait to the point

JPB
10-01-2009, 10:35 PM
I am not going to read other peoples replies.

here is why I voted AR
NATO parts, NATO ammo
Multiple caliber with an upper swap
.223, 5.56, and .22lr out of the same barrel
part suppliers are like flys in a cow field
when the SHTF, parts will be very easy to find
accuracy counts
easy to modify with no experience required
you wont look like the guy I am trying to shoot.

Too funny, but too true.....

dwa
10-01-2009, 10:49 PM
I only buy weapons i can depend on with my life which is the ak and not the ar.

my m4 never let me down

devildog999
10-02-2009, 12:19 AM
Def the AR. To me, accuracy is key. I am a precision shooter and need something that is fairly accurate

Crusader
10-02-2009, 12:23 AM
Both are amazingly great rifles. If you want something to plink and camp with, get the AK. If you want a target/hunting/shtf rifle, get the AR.

To me, the AK is really only an effective rifle in full auto mode. That's what it's made for, that's the role the rifle was designed to fill. The AR on the otherhand is a rifle first, and so is not only accurate but effective.

joelukehart
10-02-2009, 12:46 AM
This argument will never end. It's like the classic Ford vs. Chevy. I like 'em both. I also like Dodge's and G-3's, Yamaha and Glock, ect.

1forall
10-02-2009, 10:05 AM
If push comes to shove and you can't buy both, look into the czechpoint VZ-58. It's cambered in 7.62x39 with(from what a heard)better accuracy than the AK-47, but still less than the AR beyond 200 yards.

campperrykid
10-14-2009, 2:12 PM
If push comes to shove and you can't buy both, look into the czechpoint VZ-58. It's cambered in 7.62x39 with(from what a heard)better accuracy than the AK-47, but still less than the AR beyond 200 yards.
What he said.