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Rbutler
09-26-2009, 9:23 PM
Guys, i got a savage model 110 in 243. I was shooting 95 & 100 gr factory loads but for some reason my gun would not accurately shoot. I dont have another scopre to try to see if it is the scope that is an issue. I was shooting from a bench with sandbags to narrow down how it was shot. The differencne would be one shot would hit dead center the next about 3 inches high and to the left the next 2 inches below the center fo the target. How can i narrow down the issue? BTW the scope is a simmons pro 50.

technique
09-26-2009, 9:24 PM
Is the scope tightened down all the way? Whats your twist rate?

Arteel
09-26-2009, 9:33 PM
Sounds like a scope/mount issue.

Rbutler
09-26-2009, 9:37 PM
i got the gun from a buddy and didnt ask about the twist rate previously. Looking onlint it is around 1:9 to 1:9.75 range. I checked the barrel and there are no markings. Scope bases are tightened all the way down

Napalm Bulldog
09-26-2009, 9:54 PM
Ive heard of this before try using a different ammo. Ill see if I can find the blog. Basically a guy was shooting and getting the same thing as you discribed.Changed ammo Brand and it shot perfect. Just a suggestion.

Darklyte27
09-26-2009, 9:56 PM
Where are you located? ask a fellow shooter to shoot a 3 shot group and see how they do, then you can see if its you or the rifle, or scope.

A friends scope adjustments would change when he shot, exchanged the scope and it was all good.

justin_5585
09-27-2009, 4:37 AM
My vote is for a scope issue as well. I have a 110e in .243, and it isn't picky about ammo, and that gun will drive tacks. Very, very accurate for the money

Rem222
09-27-2009, 6:13 AM
Check your guard screws, just another idea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeOL0PTBTDc

StevieC
09-27-2009, 6:58 AM
how old is it?
shot a whole bunch?

I've shot out a couple of 6mm barrels
.243 are bore burners also

Rob454
09-27-2009, 7:07 AM
I have a brand new 280 barrel if your barrel is shot out. i also have a 30-06 barrel also the 06 is used. Sounds like a combination of ammo and either scope or actual shooter problem. Are you tensing up, flinching or twitching etc when shooting? if its the barrel and you want to switch to a different caliber I got a new barrel. ill make you a deal on it.

Eckolaker
09-27-2009, 7:27 AM
Does the rifle still have the crappy Simmons scope that comes with it brand new?

I could not get my Savage 111 to shoot a good group using the Simmons scope. I have a Bushnell Legend that shots 1" groups at 400 yards no problem now.

Beelzy
09-27-2009, 7:28 AM
how old is it?
shot a whole bunch?

I've shot out a couple of 6mm barrels
.243 are bore burners also


Yep, could be shot out. Check the rifling at the chamber for erosion.
Also check the stock to make sure there's no binding anywhere.

swerv512
09-27-2009, 7:52 AM
before you do anything, let another experienced shooter have a go with the rifle. you my not want to hear this, but the problem could be the nut behind the trigger....

Darklyte27
09-27-2009, 7:54 AM
before you do anything, let another experienced shooter have a go with the rifle. you my not want to hear this, but the problem could be the nut behind the trigger....

thats what i said :D

swerv512
09-27-2009, 8:01 AM
thats what i said :D

^^^
+1...
what he said ;)

that's real early sunday laziness when you cant read an entire thread that's only 8 posts long before posting...:rolleyes:

X-NewYawker
09-27-2009, 9:25 AM
Simmons = your problem.

ar15barrels
09-27-2009, 11:45 AM
i got the gun from a buddy and didnt ask about the twist rate previously. Looking onlint it is around 1:9 to 1:9.75 range. I checked the barrel and there are no markings. Scope bases are tightened all the way down

check the ACTUAL twist rate of your barrel.
Currently published specs may not agree with your gun if it's not a currently made gun.

Take a cleaning rod and wrap a small piece of tape around it to create a flag near the handle.
Put a jag on the rod and put a patch on the jag so that it's a tight fit to the bore.
Start the rod down the bore a few inches and make a note of where the flag is pointing.
Take a measurement of how much rod is sticking out of the action.
Push the rod until the flag makes exactly ONE rotation.
Take another measurement of how much rod is sticking out of the action.
Subtract the 2nd measurement from the first to obtain your twist rate.

Rbutler
09-27-2009, 6:49 PM
when i go to the range ill let a few buddies take a stab. I check the rifling it looks good, and the twist is 1:9.75. Yes still a simmons scope and unfortunately im too broke to get a new one lol.

ar15barrels
09-27-2009, 7:02 PM
I check the rifling it looks good, and the twist is 1:9.75

That's probably a nominal 1:10" twist as factory barrels can run anywhere from +/- 1/2" from their nominal twist rates.

Jonathan Doe
09-27-2009, 7:27 PM
Glass bedding and the trigger job maybe a part of solution also.

meltyman
09-27-2009, 9:38 PM
100% the simmons is the problem. I had one on my 700 for a while and had very bad consistency. The parallax is horrible in the extreeme. I ended up w a leupold, and gave the scope to my pa. He tried it on a pellet rifle he had because it had more clarity than the cheap scope it came with. He changed it back out as he immediately agreed that the parallax problem was intolerable even at pellet rifle ranges. I would recommend trying another scope before doing anything to the rifle.

IsaacGlass
09-27-2009, 10:56 PM
Try zeroing your scope at 25 yds