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Futurecollector
09-25-2009, 10:57 PM
Hey everyone, seemes as though there is some interest in yet another shoot,

November 14th Saturday
10:00AM
Del Taco off Lenwood
by request:
"No Alchol"
"No children"

pm me for the list, ans the SUPER SUPPER SECRET DIRECTIONS!!!!! :cool2:

Im thinking november 14th... Im not spending my birthday with you people so the 6th is out of the question :eek: lol

Butthead
09-26-2009, 6:14 AM
:coolgleamA: FC no need to post a date or time as this is the super secret meet. Those of us planning to attend will just know.:coolgleamA:

FC: The real men sports season starts in a couple of weeks. Got two seats 10 rows up and between the blue lines, I am expecting you to come and use one of them a few times this season. I will occasionally have up to 3 more right next to mine as well. Prepare thy liver and let the games begin.

bruceflinch
09-26-2009, 6:21 AM
I won't be there,, but your secret is safe w/ me! :D

Futurecollector
09-26-2009, 11:00 AM
haha you guys always crack me up lol,

Futurecollector
09-26-2009, 11:01 AM
:coolgleamA: FC no need to post a date or time as this is the super secret meet. Those of us planning to attend will just know.:coolgleamA:

FC: The real men sports season starts in a couple of weeks. Got two seats 10 rows up and between the blue lines, I am expecting you to come and use one of them a few times this season. I will occasionally have up to 3 more right next to mine as well. Prepare thy liver and let the games begin.

DUDE! that sounds sweet! you got my number just call me up and I AM THERE! lol

retired
09-26-2009, 6:55 PM
Im not spending my birthday with you people so the 6th is out of the question

Boy, that isn't a too subtle hint for a birthday present is it.;) j/k

Futurecollector
09-27-2009, 4:14 PM
Boy, that isn't a too subtle hint for a birthday present is it.;) j/k

Well it would be nice to get a fith of jack form you :cool:

pm me for my address

retired
09-27-2009, 8:00 PM
Ya know, I would do that if I wasn't a non alcoholic type of person. I couldn't in all good conscience give you something that might affect your liver negatively.;):D

Futurecollector
09-27-2009, 10:58 PM
Ya know, I would do that if I wasn't a non alcoholic type of person. I couldn't in all good conscience give you something that might affect your liver negatively.;):D

I also like .40 seeing as I dont have any lmao... jk jk

so whats the deal you comming out here or what?

mrlonewolf will be here to

DEW IT

Futurecollector
09-28-2009, 5:52 PM
Updated

mrlonewolf
09-28-2009, 6:08 PM
How about Sat. Nov. the 14th??? same time & same place.

Futurecollector
09-28-2009, 7:58 PM
How about Sat. Nov. the 14th??? same time & same place.

Lol I didnt notice that it was a sunday, I fixed it lol

retired
09-29-2009, 12:16 AM
I also like .40 seeing as I dont have any lmao... jk jk

so whats the deal you comming out here or what?

mrlonewolf will be here to

DEW IT

I've never been to one of these, where exactly is this place vis a vi Mexico. I don't want to get taken by one of those cartel guys and held for ransom.:eek:

dirtnap
09-29-2009, 12:30 AM
ninetwothreeoneone?

andrewj
09-29-2009, 12:40 AM
Its too early to be certain but consider me in

stag6.8
09-29-2009, 12:45 AM
count me in too:D

loather
09-29-2009, 7:39 PM
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.22 .380 .38 9mm .44 .50AE .223 5.56 .308 .338Lapua .50DTC 37MM

:D

PolishMike
09-29-2009, 7:41 PM
I know its a secret but what is the general location?

andrewj
09-29-2009, 7:45 PM
Desert

PolishMike
09-29-2009, 7:46 PM
Desert

That helps.



How far from SD?

andrewj
09-29-2009, 7:50 PM
Generally, we're just north of Barstow.

I assume this super secret place is either the usual spot we go to or a nearby spot.

nick
09-29-2009, 8:00 PM
Ah, finally!

So, is it going to be the 14th or 15th?

loather
09-29-2009, 8:00 PM
ah, so about 3 hours from san diego. that's quite the haul.

nick
09-29-2009, 8:01 PM
That helps.



How far from SD?

Big desert.

Butthead
09-29-2009, 10:11 PM
.22 .380 .38 9mm .44 .50AE .223 5.56 .308 .338Lapua .50DTC 37MM

:D

LOL Were you bored or what? Will hopefully be getting longer soon.

Butthead
09-29-2009, 10:19 PM
Well I will be there if not on hunting trip that weekend. Too bad the 17th isn't on Saturday. There will be a great meteor shower that night and it would be cool to see "Mother Nature" let a few fly that evening.

FC: Mind if we bring a beer or two for AFTER the shoot. If not no problem.

Futurecollector
09-29-2009, 10:37 PM
Well I will be there if not on hunting trip that weekend. Too bad the 17th isn't on Saturday. There will be a great meteor shower that night and it would be cool to see "Mother Nature" let a few fly that evening.

FC: Mind if we bring a beer or two for AFTER the shoot. If not no problem.

sure no problem! just none while shooting lol

dirtnap
09-29-2009, 11:07 PM
I put the zip code up already....I guess writing the numbers out does fool people, thanks craigslist hook up section! ;)

bballwizard05
09-29-2009, 11:10 PM
So Barstow is darn close to where I live... how secret is secret? Too secret for a calgun newbie!!! :) or is this some sort of secret guild I'm encroaching on? And by darn close I mean an hour... but that's close enough!

Futurecollector
09-30-2009, 3:02 AM
So secret the instructions are in the OP's message :rolleyes:

loather
09-30-2009, 8:20 AM
LOL Were you bored or what? Will hopefully be getting longer soon.

No, but I know perl ...

perl -le 'print pack("H*", "...");'

... but now I'm wandering even further off-topic.

Anyways, yeah ... being able to watch that meteor shower after the shoot would be a lot of fun. Especially out there in the desert where there isn't a good deal of light pollution.

problemchild
09-30-2009, 8:34 PM
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diginit
09-30-2009, 8:46 PM
So... You guys are shooting on November 14th Sunday? 10:00AM at Del Taco off Lenwood? Kill a burrito for me. If it doesn't kill you first.

WarpMan
09-30-2009, 10:56 PM
I'm probably a tentative but, count me in anyway.

Full Clip
09-30-2009, 11:21 PM
Damn, gotta go do it!!!
Was out there this past weekend: http://gallery.me.com/nicsadler#100122

socomIInato
09-30-2009, 11:55 PM
you guys plan way in advance, weather report shows mojave cooling into the seventies next week:Dlooks like I shall return to MY super secret spot:gnorsi:

Napalm Bulldog
10-01-2009, 12:35 PM
Im going to the Lunar Landing spot this next wendsday! Says cool temps. Its right next to the OP's Super secret location.

Stealff
10-01-2009, 2:01 PM
if you dont mind me asking, do you need a special sticker to go out and play on BLM land or is that just Forest service land.

Futurecollector
10-01-2009, 2:16 PM
if you dont mind me asking, do you need a special sticker to go out and play on BLM land or is that just Forest service land.

There is no plakard that is needed,

the one you are thinking of is only for Forest land

Futurecollector
10-01-2009, 2:17 PM
Im going to the Lunar Landing spot this next wendsday! Says cool temps. Its right next to the OP's Super secret location.

SHHHHH no one can know that the super secret spot is BLM land in Barstow, and to get there you just need to meet at the Del Taco off of lenwood... SHHHHHHH

Napalm Bulldog
10-01-2009, 5:54 PM
Lunar landing spot has green and purple hills with a great back drop!

Full Clip
10-01-2009, 6:44 PM
Hey, my buddy Edwin and I are going to do an overnight there finally.
Bringing the Weber kettle for some evening grilling.
Anyone else?

kpw001
10-01-2009, 10:54 PM
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haha, spot on.

i guess its time to gather the gang once more, pencil me in!

RedRocket
10-02-2009, 9:16 AM
Hey, my buddy Edwin and I are going to do an overnight there finally.
Bringing the Weber kettle for some evening grilling.
Anyone else?

night shooting is fun... flashlight shooting was fun too...

hmmm thinking about an overnighter

Full Clip
10-02-2009, 9:57 AM
It's just a haul to get out there — 90 min drive — so why not stay the night and shoot in the morning as well?

Antihero47
10-02-2009, 10:24 AM
Niice. Looking forward to this. I'll have to check in the the guys and see if they are up for another one. Great fun last time. Especially butthead lending his .50 and LoneWolf with his nice collection. Thanks again guys.

Butthead
10-03-2009, 7:39 AM
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Using these numbers wouldn't you end up about 500 miles west of Acapulco?

Futurecollector
10-03-2009, 11:32 AM
I still dont understand what the numbers are anyways,????

RedRocket
10-03-2009, 11:49 AM
THE SECRET RANGE IS LOCATED AT 11.875952, -109.873901

google "binary decoder"

http://www.roubaixinteractive.com/PlayGround/Binary_Conversion/Binary_To_Text.asp

nick
10-03-2009, 11:56 AM
I still dont understand what the numbers are anyways,????

THE SECRET RANGE IS LOCATED AT 11.875952, -109.873901

Not sure why they used all caps. Nerds...

Futurecollector
10-03-2009, 3:53 PM
Ohhhh, I know it is binary code but have no idea of how to read it lol,,,

and I dont have a gps so it dont matter none.

diginit
10-03-2009, 8:46 PM
those coordinates put you in the middle of the ocean. I hope your ammo is sealed.
I like the idea of having it at Taco Bell better.

Futurecollector
10-04-2009, 4:21 AM
those coordinates put you in the middle of the ocean. I hope your ammo is sealed.
I like the idea of having it at Taco Bell better.

BLASPHEMY!!!!! :mad::chris::mad::chris::mad::chris:

mrlonewolf
10-16-2009, 9:00 PM
Bumpola.......
TTT.

Mstnpete
10-22-2009, 12:55 AM
Sounds fun, let me know where.

Futurecollector
10-22-2009, 1:00 AM
Ill let you know!

bballwizard05
10-22-2009, 1:00 AM
ok so just like the lytle shoot i'm gonna waffle in my mind until the night before then rush to get everything together to go... so MAYBE!!! oh and maybe i missed it, but to clarify. Is this an over-night deal? or just getting home late that night?

Futurecollector
10-22-2009, 1:01 AM
ok so just like the lytle shoot i'm gonna waffle in my mind until the night before then rush to get everything together to go... so MAYBE!!! oh and maybe i missed it, but to clarify. Is this an over-night deal? or just getting home late that night?

I do believe some, (myself included) will be out there the night before and then wake up and shoot, I think lol

Full Clip
10-27-2009, 3:15 PM
Is this an over-night deal? or just getting home late that night?

My buddies Ed and Jeff and I are going to overnight it.

Rekrab
10-27-2009, 3:44 PM
The 14th is my birthday, so this IS pretty tempting. Don't think I want to drive aaaaaaall the way out there though. I hate the high desert.

Would you guys all pitch in and buy me an AR-15 if I go? >.> You know... since it's my birthday and all?

socomIInato
10-27-2009, 6:11 PM
to bad this place is so secret I might be tempted to join you with my super secret arsenal:coolgleamA:

bambam8d1
10-27-2009, 7:42 PM
So exactly how super secret is this meeting? too super secret for a noob to join along? and to rekrab... eh i dunno about buyin ya an ar even though its your birthday and all... but i did just finish buildin my first one from the ground up.. and youre more than welcome to shoot off some celebratory rounds in it... hell ill even let you fire the first... ill be behind the truck tucked into a ball haha...

justinLB
10-28-2009, 5:04 PM
I'm pretty sure i"ll have the day free.
If you guys want I can show you some cool spots like a car graveyard, pistachio orchard, old water well with water still flowing, and a bunch of old abandoned cabins.
Here's my cabin that we stay at. The cabin used to have a well but it's all dried up. It's about 20 minutes off of copper city road but you need a truck to get to it.
http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww165/justinlb/IMG_1018.jpg
http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww165/justinlb/IMG_1017.jpg

Vtec44
10-29-2009, 8:46 PM
That's a cool spot Justin. Let me know when you head out there next time.

diginit
10-29-2009, 9:48 PM
This is my kinda place. It may be worth the drive down there from San Jose. I collect old bottles and would love to look around for a few days. I would bring tannerite, tequila, thermite, firewood, food, and assorted guns. Not to be used in that order.... maybe some other toys too.
I haven't had a real vacation in 8 years and I could really use a break from reality. Please PM me with the Approx. Location. If it is within 400 miles, I think I could make it. http://s270.photobucket.com/albums/jj107/diginit/

I wish the Birthday boy could get an AR, But I'm afraid he'll have to wait until he is 18 to own one in Ca. 21 for a handgun. He can run a few rounds through mine if I make it down there. J.

Ya sure that Taco bell wouldn't be better?

xxG3xx
11-01-2009, 2:54 AM
that cabin spot looks really cool. I have always liked exploring the desert cause you really never know what you could find out here...I would like to check out that spot one day its right off Fort Irwin rd right?

tankerman
11-01-2009, 6:52 AM
This is hillarious - so I guess when you say "no children", you're not able to attend. "No children"
ans the SUPER SUPPER SECRET DIRECTIONS!!!!! :cool2:



Ironic childish your choice of words is; SUPER SUPPER SECRET DIRECTIONS!!!!! :cool2:

I'm sure all you really cooool mature adults will have a very special time at your adults only "secret" shooting event.:laugh:



BTW, I bet you $50 my 6 year old son can out shoot you with a .22. I'll film the competition so the entire CGN board can watch the result.

Futurecollector
11-01-2009, 3:44 PM
This is hillarious - so I guess when you say "no children", you're not able to attend.


Ironic childish your choice of words is;

I'm sure all you really cooool mature adults will have a very special time at your adults only "secret" shooting event.:laugh:



BTW, I bet you $50 my 6 year old son can out shoot you with a .22. I'll film the competition so the entire CGN board can watch the result.

Did I make you cry in a previous thread?

just wondering why your getting in a pissing contest with me...

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings,

Jpach
11-01-2009, 3:57 PM
Hmm seems interesting. Any secret pictures form the last 4 shoots?

Futurecollector
11-01-2009, 4:00 PM
Hmm seems interesting. Any secret pictures form the last 4 shoots?

yep, right here...

Pics of the place and the first shoot.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/JessieGirl15/P1020856.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/JessieGirl15/P1020859.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/JessieGirl15/P1020860.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/JessieGirl15/P1020861.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/JessieGirl15/P1020864.jpg

Futurecollector
11-01-2009, 4:02 PM
I'm pretty sure i"ll have the day free.
If you guys want I can show you some cool spots like a car graveyard, pistachio orchard, old water well with water still flowing, and a bunch of old abandoned cabins.
Here's my cabin that we stay at. The cabin used to have a well but it's all dried up. It's about 20 minutes off of copper city road but you need a truck to get to it.
http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww165/justinlb/IMG_1018.jpg
http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww165/justinlb/IMG_1017.jpg

hey justin, that would be cool to check out a new place to shoot,

let me know if you want to go out to some of those spots or what not...

diginit
11-01-2009, 5:21 PM
150 yards from any manmade object? As per BLM rules.....Looks closer to me. Don't get caught. The govt. need your money.

justinLB
11-01-2009, 7:49 PM
150 yards from any manmade object? As per BLM rules.....Looks closer to me. Don't get caught. The govt. need your money.

the cabin is on private land

gtmmark
11-01-2009, 8:14 PM
I'm pretty sure I'll be there.

diginit
11-01-2009, 8:29 PM
the cabin is on private land
Hope you know the owner and have written permission to shoot there. No shooting on private land is another BLM rule. Damn. Too many f'n rules. Im a shooter too. I just don't want to see you get in trouble. Understand? Can't we just set up in Taco Bell's parking lot? The big rig is 5 points, The VW, 10. Etc.

andrewj
11-01-2009, 9:47 PM
This is my kinda place. It may be worth the drive down there from San Jose. I collect old bottles and would love to look around for a few days. I would bring tannerite, tequila, thermite, firewood, food, and assorted guns. Not to be used in that order.... maybe some other toys too.
I haven't had a real vacation in 8 years and I could really use a break from reality. Please PM me with the Approx. Location. If it is within 400 miles, I think I could make it.

Another great place for exploring is off the 395 in Owen's Valley. Tons of old mines and mining structures. Probably about a 400 mile drive from SJ (depending on what highways you take). Heres a few pics taken at Reward Mine near Manzanar.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/MUFFIN25/th_a3cb0210.jpg (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/MUFFIN25/?action=view&current=a3cb0210.jpg) http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/MUFFIN25/th_IMGP0338.jpg (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/MUFFIN25/?action=view&current=IMGP0338.jpg)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/MUFFIN25/th_IMGP0339.jpg (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/MUFFIN25/?action=view&current=IMGP0339.jpg) http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/MUFFIN25/th_IMGP0340.jpg (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/MUFFIN25/?action=view&current=IMGP0340.jpg)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/MUFFIN25/th_IMGP0343.jpg (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/MUFFIN25/?action=view&current=IMGP0343.jpg) http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/MUFFIN25/th_IMGP0348.jpg (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/MUFFIN25/?action=view&current=IMGP0348.jpg)

diginit
11-01-2009, 10:30 PM
Looks nice. I've explored 6 mines so far. I'll have to get down there. My favorite place within 200 miles was Clear Creek. But the Fk'n Sierra Club closed it because of asbestos. It is pure BS because the only asbestos that is dangerous is refined by man. Not naturally occuring. More beaurocratic B.S.The Sierra Club only did good things when John Muir was living. Now they are full of Sh#t.

Rekrab
11-02-2009, 2:33 PM
Damn, I'm seriously debating this.

The 14th is my birthday and I'm going out for dinner at 6 in Laguna...

I figure if I got out there by 10AM, I'd have to leave by 3 just to get home, showered and to the restaurant.

Bigballaizm
11-02-2009, 3:34 PM
Just a question, is there possibly another place to meet-up since I would be traveling from the IE up the 215 to the 15 frwy??
Thanx.

Futurecollector
11-03-2009, 2:17 AM
Just a question, is there possibly another place to meet-up since I would be traveling from the IE up the 215 to the 15 frwy??
Thanx.



we are all meeting in barstow,

you take the 215 to the 15 north and then go past hesperia, and then barstow...

pm me if you need more info...

justinLB
11-03-2009, 7:46 AM
Hope you know the owner and have written permission to shoot there. No shooting on private land is another BLM rule. Damn. Too many f'n rules. Im a shooter too. I just don't want to see you get in trouble. Understand? Can't we just set up in Taco Bell's parking lot? The big rig is 5 points, The VW, 10. Etc.

I have permission from the current owners but I never got it in writing. I guess next time I see her I should get it on paper.

So shooting on private land is illegal even with the owners permission?

Yeah I don't want to get in trouble either.

Bigballaizm
11-03-2009, 7:50 AM
we are all meeting in barstow,
you take the 215 to the 15 north and then go past hesperia, and then barstow...
pm me if you need more info...

Ok cool, thanx FC! I will confirm I dont have to work on that Saturday (Nov 14th) & let you know.
Thanks!

andrewj
11-03-2009, 6:17 PM
I DROS'ed a USP 40 today in a trade. Pick up date is the day before the shoot. Perfect timing

mrlonewolf
11-03-2009, 6:30 PM
Congrats & perfect timing.......:thumbsup:

Futurecollector
11-08-2009, 1:06 PM
Let us know if your going or not...

gtmmark
11-08-2009, 3:35 PM
Ok, I'm definately going to be there so my usual invatation is open if any one wants to shoot my RAW AR or AK with high caps bring your .223 and 7.62X39.

Full Clip
11-08-2009, 7:53 PM
Hmmm, just got a Texas Weapon Systems mount for my AK... will have to zero a scope!

Butthead
11-12-2009, 6:41 AM
Hey FC. Is the overnight group going early on Friday and staying over to Sat or staying Sat to Sun?

Full Clip
11-12-2009, 9:17 AM
Saturday to Sunday overnight for me and Ed. Don't know if anybody else is gonna stay.
I gotta work Friday, so F-S is a no-go for me.

WarpMan
11-12-2009, 12:29 PM
I'll see if I can make this.

TroyMcClure
11-12-2009, 2:22 PM
I am planning on arriving Saturday early AM (at day break) and staying til noon or so.

I'm taking only pictures and leaving only craters. :P

TroyMcClure
11-12-2009, 2:22 PM
I am planning on arriving Saturday early AM (at day break) and staying til noon or so.

I'm taking only pictures and leaving only craters. :P

Full Clip
11-13-2009, 6:11 PM
Ah, just getting together all my gear — will be ready to roll at 8:00 am.
Can't wait to get out there...

mrlonewolf
11-13-2009, 7:25 PM
+ 1

Antihero47
11-13-2009, 8:13 PM
Me and my bro are going again. I need to look for my bolt.. I misplaced it for my .308 :eek:

orangewelder
11-14-2009, 9:34 PM
Thanks for the great time, You guys had a fun, safe and well organized event.:)

Full Clip
11-15-2009, 4:06 PM
Yo, great time here as well. Sorry none of the rest of you guys stayed the night. It was great. Nice, quiet...

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-3/981624/photo-1.jpg

...and lots of good brass to pick up the next morning! LOL!

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-3/981624/photo.jpg

See y'all out there next time.

socomIInato
11-15-2009, 4:20 PM
more pic`s needed!

mrlonewolf
11-15-2009, 8:34 PM
Good times, another great shot, It was fun.
Thanks guys.
Hey Full Clip, any luck with the yotes???, nice score with that brass.

Full Clip
11-15-2009, 8:44 PM
Hey Full Clip, any luck with the yotes???

No sir, only one we saw was roadkill on Ft. Irwin.

xxG3xx
11-21-2009, 5:42 PM
more pics please...sadly I had to work that day but maybe next time....how far is in on ft irwin rd? I drive that road 5 times a week sometimes more but i havent really had a chance to explore the side roads.

Bigballaizm
11-22-2009, 7:57 AM
I talk to Jeff & he said he & his son had a great time! Man if it wasnt for the holiday season, mortage, car payment, bills, oh & strip club.... I wouldnt have to work so much & I could play more!! :rolleyes: