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Eroland7
09-25-2009, 9:37 PM
I find it ridiculous that someone would pay $400 for a 3x magnifier when all it really is, is a magnifying glass. I have a bushnell trophy red dot on one of my AR's, and was looking to get a 3x magnifier for it, but obviously some sort of clone or knockoff. Anyone ever used one of these or have any suggestions? Thanks.

technique
09-25-2009, 9:46 PM
Po boy?

Eroland7
09-25-2009, 9:57 PM
oh, lol, i will look those up.

joelogic
09-25-2009, 9:59 PM
No its Larue but its discontinued.

NSR500
09-25-2009, 10:00 PM
Burris Tripler seems like a winner.

technique
09-25-2009, 10:00 PM
Google: Po boy special, or Po boy magnifier.

if thats still not for you,


Also...Beware. I fully agree with you that all the unit will do is magnify but....
I have seen some cheapos lenses fall out with recoil...just make sure there is some structural integrity when buying knock offs.

technique
09-25-2009, 10:01 PM
No its Larue but its discontinued.

for real?

SuperSet
09-25-2009, 10:01 PM
Po boy?

I heard LaRue ran out of the Po Boy magnifiers so you gotta go with the ChiCom magnifiers if you don't want to pay for the real deal.

BTW, I just put on the Burris Tripler on my backup carbine and it's .. okay. Glass quality seems fine but the eye relief is not good. It feels < 1.5" so you got to get your nose right on it. Having used the real-deal AP magnifier, there's definitely a difference as far as glass quality, brightness and eye relief. If those aren't important to you, go the clone route.

Eroland7
09-25-2009, 10:03 PM
I dont want something thats total garbage,I want fog proff and well built, but I just think that with an eotech magnifier your just paying for the name...

SuperSet
09-25-2009, 10:04 PM
Your observation is not correct. There is a difference.

technique
09-25-2009, 10:04 PM
Aimpoint magnifier I have used and like! +1 for it!

Eroland7
09-25-2009, 10:07 PM
daaaang, those burriss and po boys are still like $200... I didnt realize how expensive they were. Well thanks everyone for the input.

SuperSet
09-25-2009, 10:08 PM
Look at the Primary Arms magnifiers then. It's still a ChiCom clone but it is fog proof and recoil-resistant. Good luck on finding a flip mount though.

technique
09-25-2009, 10:14 PM
Look at the Primary Arms magnifiers then. It's still a ChiCom clone but it is fog proof and recoil-resistant. Good luck on finding a flip mount though.

Diameter issues?

akjunkie
09-25-2009, 10:19 PM
the 3x has a pic of the quick disconnect mount , xtra $20.

http://primaryarms.com/category.sc;jsessionid=2D71FD702090361BA87AD58FFDB CA56A.qscstrfrnt04?categoryId=9

their mounts looks like those Makos magnifiers.

SuperSet
09-25-2009, 10:21 PM
Diameter issues?

Yep. There's a mention on there about a clone FTS mount coming soon so those who go this route will have something other than the QD or FXD mount.

IsaacGlass
09-25-2009, 10:23 PM
The Primary arms 3x clarity is okay, eye relief is about 1.5 - 1.75 inch. Any one knows if Aimpoint or EoTech 3x has better eye relief?

afro
09-25-2009, 10:44 PM
Speaking of Primary Arms... are their Comp M3 clones any good?

AlliedArmory
09-25-2009, 10:58 PM
These Mako magnifiers seem pretty popular. People seem to like them,

http://www.alliedarmory.com/index.php?main_page=index&manufacturers_id=85&zenid=d66b5e7e78e9e667dee29e8f05aebe77

Eroland7
09-25-2009, 11:27 PM
These Mako magnifiers seem pretty popular. People seem to like them,

http://www.alliedarmory.com/index.php?main_page=index&manufacturers_id=85&zenid=d66b5e7e78e9e667dee29e8f05aebe77


I think i found a winner. thanks!

Alaric
09-25-2009, 11:28 PM
The Po Boy from LaRue used a cheap German Army surplus Hendsolt optic from a panzerfaust, like this: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/SCP097-1.html

As you can see from the link CTD sells them for $15, and they're worth every penny.

The other part of the Po Boy was the expensive larue fts mount. Pretty nifty, but you can do almost as well with any 1" high quick detach scope ring, and pay a fraction of the cost. If it wiggles a bit, just slap some duct tape on it, and maybe a little chewing gum.

bwiese
09-25-2009, 11:35 PM
I generally advocate paying good money for optics because the optics often determine how accurate/reliable your sighting is.

People putting Airsoft crap on their rifles deserve what they get.

However, I will note that 3X magnifiers designed to work in conjunction with another aiming device (red dot a la Aimpoint or Holosight etc.) don't have issues with sight drift since the actual sight reticle is in the other device.

If you're using twin-device sight setup - a separate 3X/4X magnifier behind the actual Aimpoint, etc. - and you have to go cheap on one, get a quality sight and use a cheaper magnifier, since the latter has no reticle to drift.

Since quality sights may well last longer than the gun and can be moved around, though, I fail to see why people are cheap. If you buy something, buy it just once.

Jax Smirking Revenge
09-26-2009, 12:03 AM
The Po Boy from LaRue used a cheap German Army surplus Hendsolt optic from a panzerfaust, like this: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/SCP097-1.html

As you can see from the link CTD sells them for $15, and they're worth every penny.

The other part of the Po Boy was the expensive larue fts mount. Pretty nifty, but you can do almost as well with any 1" high quick detach scope ring, and pay a fraction of the cost. If it wiggles a bit, just slap some duct tape on it, and maybe a little chewing gum.

Excellent find, great suggestion. I am torn because I have been on a CTD ban ever since they raped their customers with $600 per case AK ammo a few months back (while it was $329 at Cabelas). I will have to find it for sale elsewhere.

technique
09-26-2009, 12:34 AM
The Po Boy from LaRue used a cheap German Army surplus Hendsolt optic from a panzerfaust, like this: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/SCP097-1.html

As you can see from the link CTD sells them for $15, and they're worth every penny.

The other part of the Po Boy was the expensive larue fts mount. Pretty nifty, but you can do almost as well with any 1" high quick detach scope ring, and pay a fraction of the cost. If it wiggles a bit, just slap some duct tape on it, and maybe a little chewing gum.

Thats exactly what a Po boy is....They fit in any 1in ring

Noonanda
09-26-2009, 4:51 AM
Speaking of Primary Arms... are their Comp M3 clones any good?

I have one and so far don t have any complaints, I really havent put the scope through the ringer to test it out but it holds a zero and works when I need it to.

KAVEMAN762
09-26-2009, 8:18 AM
Its how they are built and the superior materials used. The glass, housing, mount, etc. is all top notch. Plus you get a warranty, and a superior magnifying glass that will outlast a clone. I think the clones fog up from the inside from what I've heard, but thats just heresay I dont have a clone.

zangetsu
09-26-2009, 12:25 PM
i'm pretty happy with my real aimpoint comp m4s and my primary arms 5x magnifier.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/quasarsky/DSCF0409.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/quasarsky/DSCF0426.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/quasarsky/DSCF0410.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/quasarsky/DSCF0411.jpg
me looking kind of fat :p lol

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/quasarsky/DSCF0418.jpg

gonna try the primary arms fts mount once it comes in

surfinguru
09-26-2009, 2:10 PM
Ya know, I was in the same place not to long ago as well. I really wanted to go with an Aimpoint setup, but for me, my reality is that I'm not an operator. As such, I just couldn't justify the combined cost of an all Aimpoint set up. (M3 w/magnifier.)

FWIW, I went with the all Primary Arms setup. (M3 w/5x magnifier) It's been a good tool so far with no issues after 100rnds. Yeah, I know, 100rdns doesn't define somethings long term reliability, but for just over $200 shipped to my house in 2 days, I was willing to take the risk. Marshall is a good guy and very responsive to any questions and offers great customer service. Anyway, that's my $.02...

SuperSet
09-26-2009, 2:22 PM
After stacking them side by side and checking out the optics, I have a suspicion that all the ChiCom magnifier clones are made to the same standard and probably manufactured in the same factory. In fact, I'm testing the Burris Tripler now and given that it's priced ~$200, I can't tell the difference between the same one from DragonRedAirsoft ~$95. It's likely just branding differences among the clones at this point.

You CAN tell quite a difference between the clones and the real steel AP magnifier though.

zangetsu
09-26-2009, 2:33 PM
well definitely. the glass is just a bit better but the price is way more exorbitant!

tomd1584
09-26-2009, 3:55 PM
i've ran a Primary arms M2 clone (2moa dot, not multi-reticle) for almost 1000 rounds in 2 months. Still zeroed, still functioning flawlessly. for $69, its been great. Marshall has great CS and sells agood product. Of course the downfall is battery life, which is about 300 hours; but since this is just a fun gun, i dont leave it on anyway.


edit: the point of my little story is that the Primary Arms stuff is quality. from my (and others) good experiences, i wouldnt hesitate trying any of Marshalls products.


-Tom

SuperSet
09-26-2009, 4:04 PM
Good to hear that it's working for you, Tom. My point is that behind all the trademarks, I suspect that all the ChiCom clones are the same.

Flying Bones
09-26-2009, 9:08 PM
Good to hear that it's working for you, Tom. My point is that behind all the trademarks, I suspect that all the ChiCom clones are the same.

You sir, are correct. From my research there are only a few Chicom factories making clones.

ar15barrels
09-26-2009, 9:12 PM
Thats exactly what a Po boy is....They fit in any 1in ring

Not exactly...
The poboy specials were disassembled, cleaned and had the ranging reticles removed.
I have one of the first 50 that they made.

technique
09-26-2009, 9:53 PM
Not exactly...
The poboy specials were disassembled, cleaned and had the ranging reticles removed.
I have one of the first 50 that they made.

I didn't know that...well, if someone wanted to get one from CTD, how hard do you think it would be to open one up and remove the reticle? For $15 I'm thinking about getting one to play with. At least if I mess up my PoBoy, I'll have a replacement....Optics and I don't have the best relationship.:o

bombadillo
11-01-2009, 8:04 AM
seriously, for that price, you can't beat the thing. It'd be neat just to have one laying around for a conversation piece.

Rule .308
11-01-2009, 8:34 AM
There are a couple tutorials at ARF on how to pull that reticle. I bought a couple of them and it took me about an hour's worth of trial and error to get it the way I wanted and well under 10 minutes to do the second one. When you disassemble it there is a lens assembly that houses the reticle and a small spacer ring in there. If you leave these out you will no longer have the reticle, you will have less maginification, and greater eye relief. If you simply remove the reticle piece from the lens assembly you will have the same magnification but, for whatever reason, you will not be able to screw the eye piece in far enough to get the unit to focus. If you remove the spacer so that you can get the eye piece to screw in further to focus then you will have a rattle from the lens assembly. My fix for this was to remove the reticle from the lens assembly, remove the spacer ring, install two small O rings, and screw it back together. When done I had no rattle and had the original magnification and eye relief. I have heard some people say that these things were nitrogen purged, I say that they are full of it on that one as I had no signs one way or the other that they were and there is a small mount piece that is screwed to the side of the housing and I am saying that it is not sealed. At any rate, I really like these little optics, they seem to have great optical clarity, regardless of their price range, and they just work great. I wish they had a little more magnification but because they are such nice glass it really is not noticed. At a whole $15.00 plus S&H you just cannot go wrong.

evidens83
11-01-2009, 9:28 AM
Sounds like you know what you're talking about. Willing to do it for me? ;)

technique
11-01-2009, 9:34 AM
There are a couple tutorials at ARF on how to pull that reticle. I bought a couple of them and it took me about an hour's worth of trial and error to get it the way I wanted and well under 10 minutes to do the second one. When you disassemble it there is a lens assembly that houses the reticle and a small spacer ring in there. If you leave these out you will no longer have the reticle, you will have less maginification, and greater eye relief. If you simply remove the reticle piece from the lens assembly you will have the same magnification but, for whatever reason, you will not be able to screw the eye piece in far enough to get the unit to focus. If you remove the spacer so that you can get the eye piece to screw in further to focus then you will have a rattle from the lens assembly. My fix for this was to remove the reticle from the lens assembly, remove the spacer ring, install two small O rings, and screw it back together. When done I had no rattle and had the original magnification and eye relief. I have heard some people say that these things were nitrogen purged, I say that they are full of it on that one as I had no signs one way or the other that they were and there is a small mount piece that is screwed to the side of the housing and I am saying that it is not sealed. At any rate, I really like these little optics, they seem to have great optical clarity, regardless of their price range, and they just work great. I wish they had a little more magnification but because they are such nice glass it really is not noticed. At a whole $15.00 plus S&H you just cannot go wrong.

Pics? It would be a great tutorial... I did pick one up and I would like to mod it.
Or perhaps some links to the ARF pages too. :)

sirnonz
11-01-2009, 12:53 PM
i would like to see a link as well or someone should buy a few and take the reticle out and resell to us. :)

Fot
11-01-2009, 2:10 PM
I have a knock off Aimpiont 3x I bought off Ebay. Clarity is ok, quality looks fine was $40 with S&H and quick disconnect fitting. Put 1000-1500 rounds with it on a .223 with no issues. The only bad thing I can say is it smelled for the first two weeks, very heavy industrial chemical smell.

Josh3239
11-01-2009, 3:32 PM
I remember reading a different one on ARF but this was the only one I could find:



Since so many people want to try out the Larue poor-boy special and Larue is now out, I decided to post on how to do your own. I can not even begin to tell you how great the Larue mount is, it goes without saying. But many aren't sure if a flip mag is for them. The Larue poor-boy allowed you to try it out and see if it works for you. In my opinion it works great but not every one has the same eyes and needs as me.

On to the tutorial.........................

First you need a mount, do yourself a favor and get the Larue LT-649. Its available in bot a tall and a short depending on which optic you will put it behind. When ordering MAKE SURE you tell them it will be for the Hensoldt magnifyer to get the right spacers needed.

Now lets remove the reticle. Remove the rubber eye piece. If you are carefull you may reuse it, on my first one I left it off but it's a personal preference. Make sure you are in a very clean environment to keep the insides clear.

http://i28.tinypic.com/317bnzl.jpg

Remove the set screw. And using some large pliers that fit correctly carefully start unscrewing the rear lense housing. Once it starts it will unscrew by hand.

http://i27.tinypic.com/21jbo1f.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/143ksx2.jpg
http://i25.tinypic.com/25i9atz.jpg

Holding the scope with the opening downward. Bang/tap it down to make the reticle housing and spacer fall out.

http://i25.tinypic.com/dxi8hd.jpg

Then reassemble the rear lense housing to the main housing. Once you screw it all the way in you might need to focus the scope.Screw it in and out until you get the clearest picture. Once that is done you may replace the set screw. If you wanted to purge it, you should have access to nitrogen or CO2 to clear out the air and replace with inert gas. But it is not manditory, just a nice extra step. Biggest thing is to KEEP IT CLEAN AND DUST FREE!

http://i26.tinypic.com/2yjzsqw.jpg

(Posted to many picutres in a Calguns post so the link is below)

http://i32.tinypic.com/2dvrhox.jpg

technique
11-01-2009, 4:07 PM
Mine looks a bit different...

SJgunguy24
11-01-2009, 4:14 PM
Mine looks a bit different...

Must be the free state version, the Cali version everything is rose colored.

technique
11-01-2009, 4:16 PM
and that little screw is damn near impossible to remove

akjunkie
11-10-2009, 8:47 PM
i'm pretty happy with my real aimpoint comp m4s and my primary arms 5x magnifier.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/quasarsky/DSCF0409.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/quasarsky/DSCF0426.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/quasarsky/DSCF0410.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/quasarsky/DSCF0411.jpg
me looking kind of fat :p lol

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/quasarsky/DSCF0418.jpg

gonna try the primary arms fts mount once it comes in


Zangetsu,

looking at the pics from PrimaryArms website, it looks like the 5X magnifier sits alittle farther back than the 3X. how is the eye relief on the 5X for you?

also, how much was shipping for the Magnifier?

zangetsu
11-10-2009, 9:12 PM
was only a few dollars. the first one wasn't acting right so they sent me another. the new one is great :D

evollep3
11-11-2009, 1:05 PM
hmm good thread im going to try the po-boy

vega
11-11-2009, 3:58 PM
was only a few dollars. the first one wasn't acting right so they sent me another. the new one is great :D
Would you say 3"?

evollep3
11-11-2009, 4:10 PM
the eye relief on the mako's suck i have 1 i put on for less then 24 hours

SuperSet
11-11-2009, 4:37 PM
Yep, that's the biggest difference between the clones and the authentic magnifier is the very short eye relief. You never really get a great sight picture since you generally wear eye pro.

LasVegasTaxMan
11-11-2009, 4:58 PM
Primary arms has nice magnifiers, I use them and love them. I agree with you that spending 400-500 $ on a aimpoint magnifier is a complete waste of funds.

zangetsu
11-12-2009, 3:04 AM
supposedly 1.65 inches for the eye relief. not the best but it definitely works :)