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toolman9000
04-25-2005, 8:29 PM
This is my current project, the best semi-auto battle rifle for todays non assult weapon california.

http://img125.echo.cx/img125/936/m121tanker1jt.jpg

Totally legal with an "evil" pistol grip... 8 rounds of 7.62x51 as fast as you can pull the trigger; Or just put the stock on your regular M1 Garand and throw some .30-06 down range with greater control. LAW483 (http://www.law483.com/) is making the stock - first one of it's kind, before this all you had was a reese surplus BM59 stock that you had to plug with a block of wood to get a nice look without a gaping hole. The one being made is a red/brown laminate that will look fantastic on the Garand.

It will be a couple of months before the stock is ready... well worth the wait.

So, if you are looking for a lot of firepower with a California legal pistol grip I think this is the perfect rifle!

I had to share...

-toolman9000

toolman9000
04-25-2005, 8:29 PM
This is my current project, the best semi-auto battle rifle for todays non assult weapon california.

http://img125.echo.cx/img125/936/m121tanker1jt.jpg

Totally legal with an "evil" pistol grip... 8 rounds of 7.62x51 as fast as you can pull the trigger; Or just put the stock on your regular M1 Garand and throw some .30-06 down range with greater control. LAW483 (http://www.law483.com/) is making the stock - first one of it's kind, before this all you had was a reese surplus BM59 stock that you had to plug with a block of wood to get a nice look without a gaping hole. The one being made is a red/brown laminate that will look fantastic on the Garand.

It will be a couple of months before the stock is ready... well worth the wait.

So, if you are looking for a lot of firepower with a California legal pistol grip I think this is the perfect rifle!

I had to share...

-toolman9000

Sydwaiz
04-25-2005, 10:25 PM
Interesting! The wrist area looks a little skinny though.

imported_DULLYJAY
04-26-2005, 6:29 AM
That looks pretty good.

LAW483
04-26-2005, 12:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LAW483:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sydwaiz:
Interesting! The wrist area looks a little skinny though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here are some pics on My M14 offerings for reference. What I'm building for Toolman9000 is a M1 Garand stock.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/Law483/LAW483%20Rifle%20Stocks/LAW483%20M21E2%20Stock/Dsc00821.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/Law483/LAW483%20Rifle%20Stocks/LAW483%20M21E2%20Stock/DSC00965.jpg

The grip is pretty close to an E2 grip. The grip on the camo stock does look skinny in the picture. I think some of that is camera angle. It's at the shop. I'll check it out. The M1 Garand stock will be similar.

Take Care,

Tony </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

scorpionusa
04-26-2005, 12:29 PM
http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif How can an M1a with pistol grip and detachable mag be legal in PRK?

xsquid
04-26-2005, 12:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by scorpionusa:
http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif How can an M1a with pistol grip and detachable mag be legal in PRK? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As it looks like it also has a FH instead of a muzzle brake(?) I'm guessing he registered it as an AW with the state(?).

toolman9000
04-26-2005, 12:46 PM
no no, the M1A pictures is just what the stock will look like for the M1 Garand.... An M1 Garand with a pistol grip is legal here in CA.

You are right an M1A with a pistol grip is an evil assault weapon here in the republic.

LAW483 is from Georgia, one of those free states... he he.

-toolman9000

LAW483
04-26-2005, 1:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xsquid:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by scorpionusa:
http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif How can an M1a with pistol grip and detachable mag be legal in PRK? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As it looks like it also has a FH instead of a muzzle brake(?) I'm guessing he registered it as an AW with the state(?). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Post edited for clarity. The pics of my M14 offerings for reference. I think the photo-shop might have thrown off the proportions of his "Proof of Concept" pic a little. What I'm building for Toolman9000 is a M1 Garand stock.


Take Care,

Tony

BTW, Thanks Toolman!

scorpionusa
04-26-2005, 1:11 PM
I see! WADR (with all due respect), for the Garand, I'd prefer the original stock because the pistol grip stock would look silly without a mag. But that's just me. It's ok on the M1a since the M1a has the mag. But if you can make a permamently fixed/non-detachable M1a 10rnd mag, you can have pretty much any evil feature you want on it. If I'm not stranded in the commie state of CA, I would've had this http://www.fulton-armory.com/ or this http://www.dsarms.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=SA58OSW&storeid=1&image=sa58osw.gif

scorpionusa
04-26-2005, 1:16 PM
Actually, the pistol grip wouldn't look too bad on the Garand if it had a collapsible or folding stock. I wonder if a collapsible stock would be legal for the Garand in CA as well http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

toolman9000
04-26-2005, 2:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by scorpionusa:
Actually, the pistol grip wouldn't look too bad on the Garand if it had a collapsible or folding stock. I wonder if a collapsible stock would be legal for the Garand in CA as well http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought of that as well, the "cool factor" look would be there, but for practical, comfortable shooting I think a non-collapsible stock suits my needs... plus when in the heck do I need to fire from the hip?

oh, yea it is totally legal to put a collapsible stock on a Garand.

-toolman9000

LAW483
04-26-2005, 2:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by toolman9000:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by scorpionusa:
Actually, the pistol grip wouldn't look too bad on the Garand if it had a collapsible or folding stock. I wonder if a collapsible stock would be legal for the Garand in CA as well http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought of that as well, the "cool factor" look would be there, but for practical, comfortable shooting I think a non-collapsible stock suits my needs... plus when in the heck do I need to fire from the hip?

oh, yea it is totally legal to put a collapsible stock on a Garand.

-toolman9000 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not Cali-Legal! But thought this might be of interest given the above thoughts on folding stocks.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/Law483/Other%20Stuff/Garandandahlafleft.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/Law483/Other%20Stuff/Garandandahalfright.jpg

A couple of ideas here.

The above rifle is built on a Garand action (Not by me!), but I modified the stock. It is Tanker Length Garand that accepts M14 mags -some call it a Grarand and half- others cuss at it!. The original builder removed the Garand ferrule and installed a M14 handguard retainer and a shortend handguard, then bed it into an M14 synthetic stock. I did the rest.

Here are the thoughts...

I can build M1 Garand stocks (normal enbloc clip fed)with a M14 forend. Pistol grip or standard grip.

I can also build standard Garand forend stocks in that fold, collapse, or both.

Is there interest? That means, will someone place an order?

Thoughts?

Take Care,

Tony

toolman9000
04-27-2005, 5:12 PM
That looks killer for that uber-tactical urban commando look.

Nice.

-toolman9000

LAW483
04-28-2005, 1:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by toolman9000:
That looks killer for that uber-tactical urban commando look.

Nice.

-toolman9000 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Toolman,

Thanks! I hope I did not confuse anyone.

Take Care,

Tony

esskay
04-28-2005, 9:21 PM
Tony,
I'd be interested in a collapsing/folding Garand Tanker stock. A few questions for you:
- would it be wood or synthetic?
- could you build one where the stock has a higher cheek weld than is shown in your last pics?

Warbird has been working on some Garand stocks too... but I got 2 CMP Greek rack grades that are going to need new collapsing stocks!

Thanks.

LAW483
04-29-2005, 12:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by esskay:
Tony,
I'd be interested in a collapsing/folding Garand Tanker stock. A few questions for you:
- would it be wood or synthetic?
- could you build one where the stock has a higher cheek weld than is shown in your last pics? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Both possible, but please send me a PM.

Higher combs are possible.

Take Care,

Tony

esskay
04-30-2005, 7:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LAW483:

Both possible, but please send me a PM.

Higher combs are possible.

Take Care,

Tony </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok Tony, I'll collect my thoughts and shoot you an email. Thanks.

gidddy169
05-01-2005, 8:49 AM
Do you know who could convert a garand to accept m14 magazines? I have a couple of beat up garands that I wouldn't mind making a project.

LAW483
05-01-2005, 11:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gidddy169:
Do you know who could convert a garand to accept m14 magazines? I have a couple of beat up garands that I wouldn't mind making a project. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

gidddy1969,

I don't know of any at this time. Many these conversions were done before the M1A debuted. The one I had was reportedly called a "Garand and a Half" and was the result of someone trying to get a Gov contact converting the Garand to accept M14 Mags. Bland firearms used to advertise these conversionsas well, but I don't think that company is still around. SARCO used to have BM59 kits along with conversion prints for a M1 to BM59 conversion, but that's different. There are a few doing Tanker conversions though, and they make nice little brush rifles.

Take Care,

Tony

gidddy169
05-02-2005, 9:16 PM
Thanks for the helpp LAW483. I will look into this project some more.

toolman9000
05-30-2006, 2:22 PM
Thought I would dig this up, the Garand E2 stock is almost finished it has only been a year and two months since the inception of this custom stock. It is currently being stained... I will post pictures when it is finished.

-toolman9000

Kenshin
05-30-2006, 7:13 PM
This interests me. Are there any commercially available pistol grip stocks for the Garand?

Yute
05-30-2006, 8:14 PM
Sweet! Looks to be good!

adamsreeftank
05-30-2006, 11:28 PM
I like this idea.

The Gagand clips are as easy to load as a magazine, and 8 versus 10 rounds is no big deal. I would buy a short garand with a pistol grip if it shot under 2 MOA.

E__WOK
05-31-2006, 7:40 PM
Make one with a folding stock.

LAW483
08-15-2006, 4:52 PM
Toolman,

Here is a pic of the stock. It's enroute (stock and handguards only!).

Has a M14 Buttplate with storage tubes and matching handguards.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/Law483/LAW483%20Rifle%20Stocks/LAW483%20M1%20Garand%20E2%20Stock/DSC01973-576.jpg

Take Care,

Tony

The Soup Nazi
08-15-2006, 4:54 PM
Whats an M1 Tanker? From all the talk I hear, they aren't worth the money and are fodder for "projects" and "experiments". Don't know much about them though.

LAW483
08-15-2006, 5:08 PM
Whats an M1 Tanker? From all the talk I hear, they aren't worth the money and are fodder for "projects" and "experiments". Don't know much about them though.

They are 18" barreled M1 Garands, like the one posted. Some conversions are better than others. Some used GI rifles, others used cheap aftermarket receivers. If you get a CMP Garand and send it to Warbird, he can make you a functional Tanker.

There are many stories on how the term "Tanker" came about, but it's safe to say that the only real experimental T-26's are in a museum. Some field conversions were done, but from what I understand, they were re-converted back to standard configuration when they hit the arsenal.

If it's functional, meets your requirements, and is within your budget...it's worth it.

Take Care,

Tony

JPglee1
08-15-2006, 5:11 PM
Whats an M1 Tanker? From all the talk I hear, they aren't worth the money and are fodder for "projects" and "experiments". Don't know much about them though.

Garand Tanker, AKA T57 is a post war commercial nickname for a rifle that is 18" long barrel as opposed to 24" original length.

The front handguard is shortened 6" as is the barrel and the oprod and a couple other parts are modified as well.

They were NOT issued in the war as "tanker" models. I don't know about Korea but I know none were official used in WWII, a couple protos were sent over for testing but none were used in battle.

I stole this from this website: http://www.wapahani.com/rifles5.html

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/jpglee1/image3ID.jpg
M1 Tanker w/wood stock (note short front handguard)

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/jpglee1/imageOOR.jpg
Experimental folding stock with field expedient pistol grip. Original design did not use a pistol grip and was intended to be held like a STEN stock. Note lack of front handguard, similar to later BM59

The T26 Tanker Garand is a weapon which was developed for use by American paratroopers, however it was not the first weapon. That honor belongs to the M1E5 which was a Garand fitted with a short barrel and fitted with a folding metal stock which was tested in the summer of 1944. However due to issues relating to muzzle flash and the report of the weapon from a shortened barrel the weapon was not put into production. Several months left the Pacific Warfare Board put forth a testing requirement for 150 M1 rifles to be shortened for use amongst troops in the Pacific Theater. These test weapons were converted in the field and several were sent to the Springfield Armory plant in the States to examine. The Springfield assembled rifles were dubbed the T26 however the feeling was that the weapon had the same inherent problems as the earlier ill fated M1E5 and only a single T26 was made by Springfield and after the war was destroyed at Aberdeen Proving Grounds.

The story of the T26 does not end there however, several businessmen obtained a large number of Garand rifles, parts sets and the like. The T26 remaining from the Pacific tests was by now at the Springfield Armory Museum, this weapon was noted and production of a new series of T26 rifles were begun. The term Tanker Garand was born at this point in promotional material as well.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/jpglee1/bm59_1.jpg
As you can see, it's basically the precurser to the BM59. BM59 is essentially a tanker with a detachable box magazine in 762x51 Nato.



Hope this helps :)

J

P.S. I just DROS'd the receiver for mine today... I wanna try to make a 2nd stock using a side folding AK stock and AK pistol grip, will post pics of the rifle when its done

LAW483
08-16-2006, 4:27 PM
JPglee1,

Thanks for the info. I had seen that page before, but could not remember where.

BTW, for those considering a "Tanker" I recommend getting one in .308. They make nice carbines, and you can put a pistol grip on it in Cali. Folders can be done as well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/Law483/LAW483%20Rifle%20Stocks/LAW483%20M1%20Garand%20E2%20Stock/DSC01973-576.jpg

Take Care,

Tony

toolman9000
08-16-2006, 9:38 PM
As soon as this stock arrives, I am getting on Warbird's list for a tanker conversion. I am excited to get this project rolling... I want to thank Tony for his hard work on getting this stock finished.

Thanks,
toolman9000

supersonic
05-14-2007, 5:17 AM
This is my current project, the best semi-auto battle rifle for todays non assult weapon california.

http://img125.echo.cx/img125/936/m121tanker1jt.jpg

Totally legal with an "evil" pistol grip... 8 rounds of 7.62x51 as fast as you can pull the trigger; Or just put the stock on your regular M1 Garand and throw some .30-06 down range with greater control. LAW483 (http://www.law483.com/) is making the stock - first one of it's kind, before this all you had was a reese surplus BM59 stock that you had to plug with a block of wood to get a nice look without a gaping hole. The one being made is a red/brown laminate that will look fantastic on the Garand.

It will be a couple of months before the stock is ready... well worth the wait.

So, if you are looking for a lot of firepower with a California legal pistol grip I think this is the perfect rifle!

I had to share...

-toolman9000

will you be making either (1
one to match the upper handguard or (2 an all-black one w/matching h.g.? just an idea, but I would buy it.
S.S.

toolman9000
05-14-2007, 7:58 AM
will you be making either (1
one to match the upper handguard or (2 an all-black one w/matching h.g.? just an idea, but I would buy it.
S.S.

You can see the finished rifle here:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=57948


This old thread should be locked, it was started over two years ago.

Thanks,
toolman9000